20 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I just don't think people are valuing his hardness at the ball and the ferocity he brings, that is worth more. I don't care about his name, or his heritage, it is his attack on the football, and so he is not a superstar with his DE, I can live with because the pressure he brings makes up that difference. And it is far from the worst over the season. I just cannot stand our limp efforts, he might get beaten occasionally but he never gives up.

DD it’s gone too far away from that game nowadays. You need to have some skill with the ball/footy brain/leadership. I also don’t think he brings that often enough during a season, it’s very hard to do so in this spread type game that AFL has become. 

Not as skilled as his dad.

 

So are we all still buying the story that he had to take a dump when he didn’t join in the team song after the st kilda win? Or is there more to it? 

This has 100% been leaked to Jay Clark by his manager to try and get the Dees to panic and up their offer. it's very common these days. 

I hope we hold firm and only pay Jack what we think he's worth. it's hard to see him actually leaving by choice 

Jack Viney leaving helps us, not hinders for mine. 

Gus plays in the guts more - who is much more creative than Viney's limited disposal skills - and we get likely first rounder in return. 

I've also never really warmed to Jack's "do what I do" leadership. I honestly don't think it's a bad thing that he leaves. 

Edited September 10, 20205 yr by Purple77

Viney just doesnt look happy and settled at the club

two things 

1) HE WAS INFLUENCED BY JONES EARLY IN HIS CAREER

2) HE HIS A VERY UNINTELLIGENT FOOTBALLER.

MOVE ON 

52 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Why?

Because, our club must stand for something and Legacy, Tradition, Heart & Soul aside... He gives 110% effort 110% of the time - last week's running back with flight a classic example

That's what I want our club to stand for! No compromises ?

 

Love JV and the care he has toward winning in the red and blue. Think he is a talented player who just needs a more defined role in our team. Lose him and I’ll be absolutely gutted. 

Love his heart and grunt, but jeez, he's better off seeking a trade to a NRL team. A bit over the head first into 3 blokes routine.

44 minutes ago, Purple77 said:

Jack Viney leaving helps us, not hinders for mine. 

Gus plays in the guts more - who is much more creative than Viney's limited disposal skills - and we get likely first rounder in return. 

I've also never really warmed to Jack's "do what I do" leadership. I honestly don't think it's a bad thing that he leaves. 

Yes, perfect opportunity to free up the inside midfielder excess and add a talented kid with the 1st round compo pick.

Viney wont get any better and with the battering his body has taken he could be cooked before 30.

31 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Because, our club must stand for something and Legacy, Tradition, Heart & Soul aside... He gives 110% effort 110% of the time - last week's running back with flight a classic example

That's what I want our club to stand for! No compromises ?

 

Yea gives “110%”... legacy indeed. The legacy of this club is failure. 

We currently stand as a club of absolute underachievement, a soft, gets ahead of itself, drinks it’s own bath water never will be’s and won’t win a flag. He’s been a leader of this club and where it stands today.

Edited September 10, 20205 yr by Cards13

We have to give something up to get something back. There is a bit to like about extra midfield minutes that a JV move would buy Brayshaw, and that would have quite some upside. We've seen how quickly players can drop off - esp. those who've had foot injuries, etc. (E.g. TMac) - and I daresay we've seen Jack's ceiling. If I had to choose one of our mids out of Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw or Trac to let go, I'd have to say Viney.

The bloke gives everything, every minute of every game and is a fine leader.

We're a mid-table side whose main issue seems to be consistency of effort and a lack of on-field leadership.

This sounds like the worst place to start making changes.

 

11 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

The bloke gives everything, every minute of every game and is a fine leader.

We're a mid-table side whose main issue seems to be consistency of effort and a lack of on-field leadership.

This sounds like the worst place to start making changes.

 

Effort only goes so far. 

Retaining Jack backs the effort philosophy, in retaining a player who constantly gives their all.

Letting him go backs the talent...allows Brayshaw to play a bigger role & getting a highly rated player in through the draft who may have a higher ceiling than Jack.

It's an interesting one.

I'm not too keen on the idea of Jack leaving the club, but if we were to leave and we secured a pick between 8-10 for him, we could end up in a great position to trade for Papley. If that is the end result I think our team would be better for it.

50/50 call

Jack leaving benefits us, only if he leaves on his own terms. 

If we push him out or low ball him to force the issue, it's a culture damaging move, unless there is an issue behind the scenes with his relationships.

it's good. We're a [censored] club with basically no hope for the future. Especially with no picks, and our inside midfielders consistently running into each other and offering no outside spread. Viney is the worst in this regard. Trade and get the pick right.

these things don't just pop up overnight

if cats are actually after him, they probably approached him in 2019

If goodwin walked the walk about being ruthless, jv would have been 'relegated'  to play an exclusive tagging role or high pressure forward role 10 weeks ago to see if that improved our efficiency and forward retention inside 50.  

 

7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

50/50 call

is that from something u know from jv’s side or yr opinion about him staying? 

If the $650k figure is about where things are at then I’d happily let him walk.

Big money for a battering ram and we have a bloke who is very similar and a little more rounded waiting in the wings in Sparrow.

 

Edited September 10, 20205 yr by BW511

This guy is built for finals. But unfortunately our footy club isn’t. 

All depends on the compensation for me. Keeping in mind if we went after a free agent ourselves, that would dilute the compensation.

I would imagine he is highly paid, given he was captain up until this year and is a restricted free agent, so if he leaves, I imagine it would be a pretty healthy contract that could result in a decent pick.

There is no point trading Viney (or Brayshaw for that matter) for anything other than a ready made player that meets a pressing need right now. Why take a draft pick or developing player that may help us several years down the track, if indeed they actually make it.

That said, I wish we had access to Geelong's unlimited salary cap. They must have about 15 blokes earning between $500K and $800K - what does that leave for the rest?