14 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

I'd prefer to reserve my judgement on any player like Corey and give them a chance without making instant prognostications. A few years ago we might have said that about James Harmes and Neville Jetta.,

Or a VFL player like Fritsch.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/from-coffees-to-kicks-wagner-to-join-dees-under-new-rules-20181120-p50h4g.html

Welcome Wags! Seemed to dominate at Casey this season and probably would have got a game if he was on our list.

Even our rookies are getting better. I am not a fan of Josh Wagner, but he is a solid depth player. Now if his brother is anywhere near his brother then that's a fine pick up.

7 hours ago, The Chazz said:

Will be depth at best.

If either of the Wagner's jump in to our 22, it will mean some players have gone significantly backwards, and I will worry about our finals chances, let alone a flag chance.

I wonder how many said this about James Harmes or Alex Neale-Bullen.

Players can develop.

26 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Even our rookies are getting better. I am not a fan of Josh Wagner, but he is a solid depth player. Now if his brother is anywhere near his brother then that's a fine pick up.

I rate Corey a fair bit higher than Josh.

27 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I wonder how many said this about James Harmes or Alex Neale-Bullen.

Players can develop.

Exactly. or a rookie like Vandenburg.  

I think our supporters look down on depth players who may not seem as gifted. but the new coaching dept are developing later draft picks and rookies.

So much is mental and I think blokes at 18 can be very immature in general life and can develop a lot in the next few years and settle a bit. this can reflect in their football. winning a VFL B and F is nothing to look down upon.

Watched a few Casey games this year thought he was great, listened to quite a few more and his name was always prominent.

Young, skilled, B&F @ Casey, knows the club...

Why wouldn't you spend very little on a player like that?

He's the better of the two Wagner boys. Perfect option for a rookie spot, won a VFL BnF for our affiliate club in Casey and therefore he knows the club, players, coaching staff and gameplan. 

6 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Queensland actually, but there are alot of similarities in parts of both states!

Last states to get TV's and notorious family Liberal voters

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

Interesting photo.

In the Casey GF, one tried his guts out all game and the other had a magnificent one possession after quarter time and looked like he couldn't give a rat's. If not for the pathetic game by the Casey captain, he would have been WOG, worst on the ground.

Sad fall from grace.

Looks to have one year left to try and keep his AFL career.

Ppffftttt 

if corey had been on our list in 2018 he would've got a game before jkh, stretch, or possibly tyson and vandenberg (albeit playing a different role to the latter)

8 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Tend to agree, although I think Tyson's spot is there for the taking. One of Kolodjashnij or Hunt could step straight in, but Wagner could keep them honest.  Probably better suited to that role than Tyson in a direct comparison.

Got to add Billy Stretch to that list, I think if he is over his navicular problem he will probably get first crack and I also think/hope Baker may push for a spot this year. I liked Corey whenever I got to see Casey, he is probably behind a few but agree he will offer genuine competition for a spot.

Welcome Wags now head down and bum up. He is definitely better than his brother but that doesn't mean he'll be playing senior football any time soon. Good luck don't let a second chance pass.

18 hours ago, TheoX said:

Happy we've taken advantage of this rule, sounds like he was great at Casey and was a pretty high pick in his draft so must have some talent there.

Has he got the 'mongrel factor' that is appearing in the Dees' team for 2019? 

If he can slot in somewhere like Fritta did, then its a no brainer.

 

Wags junior.  You beauty. 

Shows our Casey pathway and how we can develop and then REWARD youngsters.  

Tim Smith.  Fritsch.  Wagner.  Lockhart?

17 hours ago, mauriesy said:

I'd prefer to reserve my judgement on any player like Corey and give them a chance without making instant prognostications. A few years ago we might have said that about James Harmes and Neville Jetta.,

 

14 hours ago, Nasher said:

I wonder how many said this about James Harmes or Alex Neale-Bullen.

Players can develop.

The difference between all of the above players and Wagner is that the former players have always remained in the AFL system, where Wagner has had 12 months out of the system.  Yes, Jetta was delisted, but he was immediately re-drafted as a rookie.

I'd be interested to know the last player that started on a list, then was delisted, went back to a state league for 12 months, then worked his way back on an AFL list.  I wouldn't think there would be many, and if there is any at all, I'd doubt the success rate is very high.  Happy to be proven otherwise.

21 hours ago, TheoX said:

Happy we've taken advantage of this rule, sounds like he was great at Casey and was a pretty high pick in his draft so must have some talent there.

Pick 41 (or 43 due to academy picks), and the Lions had him as part of their academy but didn't match the bid?

Very happy with this pick up Reward for Effort and he adds some bona-fide depth to our mid field group, we are just getting stronger and stronger. Well don Wag's Jnr. !!!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

 

The difference between all of the above players and Wagner is that the former players have always remained in the AFL system, where Wagner has had 12 months out of the system.  Yes, Jetta was delisted, but he was immediately re-drafted as a rookie.

I'd be interested to know the last player that started on a list, then was delisted, went back to a state league for 12 months, then worked his way back on an AFL list.  I wouldn't think there would be many, and if there is any at all, I'd doubt the success rate is very high.  Happy to be proven otherwise.

Sam Reid at GWS maybe spent a year only as a coach and NEAFL player before resuming as a player?

Michael Hartley was cut from Collingwood, played at Coburg then to Essendon.

Sam Collins is doing it this year going up to the Suns. Same with Brooksby to the Eagles.

What about Shannon Motlop back in the day under very unusual circumstances.

As list management gets more flexible and teams get more creative in the ways they fill their list I think it will happen more often. No way to confirm but I've thought at least part of North delisting Wagner was to get as young and cheap as possible to make sure they had as much salary cap space as they could get to offer Gaff et al. 

16 hours ago, Nasher said:

I wonder how many said this about James Harmes or Alex Neale-Bullen.

Players can develop.

This is a smart move.  Get him for nothing and rookie. If he develops into a best 22, well done. If not we have a great player at VFL team. 

I have been impressed with the way the trade period has been this year. 

Needed ruck back up- we got

Needed someone back- we got

Needed outside run- we got (and believe this fella will dominate next year)

Lost - a injury prone mid/forward to siants

       - injury prone, not wanting to be here forward with all the 'potential' in the world. (i think we had a jack like that)

We also got a quality VFL player (outside run) for nicks.

We also have 2 picks in the 2nd round but have a feeling that could change. to a 1st rounder we push hard enough. 

The main thing is the Dees have made it clear to other clubs we are good to deal with, so anything is possible! 

 

11 minutes ago, Dirts said:

This is a smart move.  Get him for nothing and rookie. If he develops into a best 22, well done. If not we have a great player at VFL team. 

I have been impressed with the way the trade period has been this year. 

Needed ruck back up- we got

Needed someone back- we got

Needed outside run- we got (and believe this fella will dominate next year)

Lost - a injury prone mid/forward to siants

       - injury prone, not wanting to be here forward with all the 'potential' in the world. (i think we had a jack like that) 

We also got a quality VFL player (outside run) for nicks.

We also have 2 picks in the 2nd round but have a feeling that could change. to a 1st rounder we push hard enough. 

The main thing is the Dees have made it clear to other clubs we are good to deal with, so anything is possible! 

 

I know he's gone so we tend to downplay how good a player was, but Hogan was very much proven, and is a significant loss. We need to make up his 40-50 goals.

48 minutes ago, TheoX said:

I know he's gone so we tend to downplay how good a player was, but Hogan was very much proven, and is a significant loss. We need to make up his 40-50 goals.

You never let up on this Hogan business so neither will I.

Hogan has never kicked 50 goals in a season, he averages 38 goals per completed season.

Drafted 2012,

2013 - not eligible

2014 - No games - injured

2015 - 20 games  as a 20 year old - 44 goals

2016 - 21 games 41 goals

2017 - 10 games 20 goals

2018 - 20 games 47 goals

Hogan has kicked 152 goals, played 71 games. 5 years on list for 71 games 

In the time he has been available to play we have played 112 games Hogan has missed 41 games injured/illness/suspension averaging under 31 goals per season since available. Averages 2.1 goals per game played. On those figures he will never kick 50 goals in season. Yes he is a good player, a superstar he is not. 

Tom MacDonald this year averaged 2.6 goals per game which is better than Hogan has ever done.

Edit:- Coleman medalist 2018 Jack Riewoldt 2.9 goal per game.     Since 2014 Riewoldt has played in 115 games missing none.

Or in the same time that Hogan has kicked 152 goals Riewoldt has kicked 287. Hogan is no superstar.

Edited November 21, 20187 yr by ManDee

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Sam Reid at GWS maybe spent a year only as a coach and NEAFL player before resuming as a player?

Michael Hartley was cut from Collingwood, played at Coburg then to Essendon.

Sam Collins is doing it this year going up to the Suns. Same with Brooksby to the Eagles.

What about Shannon Motlop back in the day under very unusual circumstances.

As list management gets more flexible and teams get more creative in the ways they fill their list I think it will happen more often. No way to confirm but I've thought at least part of North delisting Wagner was to get as young and cheap as possible to make sure they had as much salary cap space as they could get to offer Gaff et al. 

As expected, minimal success, if any.

Thanks for responding though.