Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

6 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Come on WYL you have jumped the shark on this one.

No i have not. My stance has not changed. 

If Freo want to buy Hogan they pay Top $$ or [censored] off

Quite simple. Key Forwards are hard to find and we should know. In 160 seasons we have NEVER had a 100 goal kicker. 

Hogan hasn’t peaked yet...

So pay ? up or leave. 

[sue 8,451]

12 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Fair dinkum, some of you are like desperate lovers living in denial about a girlfriend who’s given them the flick.

On the other hand, some are like jealous lovers who see betrayal in every glance.

[Deeoldfart 7,785]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

And if you are wrong you will have Peter Bell as your avatar for a year.

I'm worried about this increasing trend on Demonland.  I literally cringe, and move immediately to the next post, as soon as Dr.D's avatar appears on my screen.  ?

[Macca 16,173]

If Jesse ends up staying it will be business as usual and he and the club will move on and get on with it.  If he wants that next big long term contract wherever that might be,  he'll need to perform whenever he sets foot on the ground. 

I can easily deal with either outcome.  Like it or not,  players are now commodities and commodities can be sold off or kept as assets. Either/or.  No emotion,  no drama,  no attachment - sell or keep.  Like it is with numerous individuals in sport the World over.  Loyalty is a 2-way street.

 

So it might be time for a few to take some old-school chill pills ...

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

6 minutes ago, xarronn said:

I can never understand why statements like this are made. A player can only walk away if he doesn't plan on playing or earning an income for the duration of the rest of the contract.

He can certainly request a trade at any stage, as can the club, but without a three way agreement the only alternative for the player is to stand out from playing.

Having a contract doesn't mean you can't request a change, but it does mean you can't make a unilateral decision to change. If Hogan or anybody else didn't have a contract the club would have less leverage with that player and in this case Freo.

Players who are 1 year into the system are requesting trades to specific clubs. 

Contracts are worthless if a player wants to go. 

All players are now free agents, i knew it would happen when Free Agency started. 

Luke Ball set a precedent, it has just evolved from that

[Demon from Sydney 50]

43 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That is an opinion, not a fact. 

Contracts mean absolutely nothing now. 

Who cares if a player signs an extension for 3 years. They just walk anyway...

i have no problem with Jesse. Infact I sympathize with him for what he has gone through in the last 18 months. 

Are both of your balls fit and healthy??

Jesus christ what a load of crap.As if hes the only 1 in the world who has had a health scare (and thats all it was because he's over it). Everyone's parents die so i just cant buy that garbage.Jesse is just playing the game & leaving everyone else to speculate & creare drame just like the Dockers are doing.Obviously hes not man enough to front the media or put out a statenent either way. But does it mean just because you have a health scare that renders you completely useless in making a choice or any other decision in your life? If his nuts dont work how would Freo help that?

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

12 minutes ago, xarronn said:

I can never understand why statements like this are made. A player can only walk away if he doesn't plan on playing or earning an income for the duration of the rest of the contract.

He can certainly request a trade at any stage, as can the club, but without a three way agreement the only alternative for the player is to stand out from playing.

Having a contract doesn't mean you can't request a change, but it does mean you can't make a unilateral decision to change. If Hogan or anybody else didn't have a contract the club would have less leverage with that player and in this case Freo.

Good post. Spot on.

[Redleg 37,780]

42 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Word is the Neale deal will be done tomorrow.

I assume the Hogan deal will be done on Tuesday and then the May deal finalised on Wednesday.

Whose word?

If the Hogan deal is done the May deal would follow in minutes.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

32 minutes ago, sue said:

Nor does he sound keen to be a Docker.  He looks totally unenthused.    But it's just his usual demeanour.   If that was a clip of him arriving from Perth thinking of joining the MFC, a MFC supporter suffering from MFCSS would despair of him playing for the Demons.  While you may be right, you are reading far too much into that clip.

I’m reading that a guy currently playing at a top club with premiership aspirations and an attacking style of footy suited to forwards is VERY open to being traded to a shite club with a dour defensive minded coach with little hope of playing finals for at least the next three years. 

Am I wrong?

[Demon from Sydney 50]

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Players who are 1 year into the system are requesting trades to specific clubs. 

Contracts are worthless if a player wants to go. 

All players are now free agents, i knew it would happen when Free Agency started. 

Luke Ball set a precedent, it has just evolved from that

Not true at all.If they are contracted they have no out,as his current club doesn't have to accomodate a trade or other.They still get played but play them in the ressies where their value goes down & no club will offer the same.All other sports do it,just that the AFL are years behind 

[Demonsone 1,614]

Whole afl trade system & early picks, free trade etc is flawed. Just become like the epl etc buy & sell players ..  at least when clubs lose a good striker they get paid his worth & then the club can buy other players to fill their gaps in their list ..  Afl want equalisation with players wanting to move whenever & club of choice .. can’t have both!

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

8 minutes ago, Demon from Sydney said:

Jesus christ what a load of crap.As if hes the only 1 in the world who has had a health scare (and thats all it was because he's over it). Everyone's parents die so i just cant buy that garbage.Jesse is just playing the game & leaving everyone else to speculate & creare drame just like the Dockers are doing.Obviously hes not man enough to front the media or put out a statenent either way. But does it mean just because you have a health scare that renders you completely useless in making a choice or any other decision in your life? If his nuts dont work how would Freo help that?

 

Wow! What a strange response. 

You are one tough emotionless bastard aern’t you..

[Redleg 37,780]

24 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Rjay, this and everything else I have ever said on Demonland is info I have heard directly, usually it’s from the club sometimes it’s from friends in the player management game.  If you don’t want to believe what I write don’t, you have every right to believe what ever you want.  

Player managers call each other everyday to test the market to see if a targeted player may be able to be seduced. NM did enquire about Oliver with a massive deal, the truth is they are probably not the only club to have made an enquire. It happens all the time. It means nothing. Only a small percentage of these make the media.  I don’t make this stuff up. 

As for others on here that abuse me for saying what I hear. Get a life. Until this, I have never responded to your insults, I am entertained you waste so much of your time trying to discredit me.  The abuse I received for telling you after R5 2013 that Neeld was soon to be fired and Roos was locked in as our coach in 2014, or the abuse for letting you know Clark was coming out of retirement but would not play for MFC, we were “blindsided”, or that we were looking to trade out Pick 2 in 2013.  I could go on.  Each time I cop abuse.  Its extraordinary.

One last thing which continuously comes up. 4 years ago I never said we were getting Dangerfield, I only said Roos had made a play for him, which was true.

Keep posting, most of us enjoy it. 

[pineapple dee 2,892]

1 hour ago, dl4e said:

What if they are Pavlovs dogs ?

Then they'll salivate as well  !!!!

[Sir Why You Little 34,614]

1 minute ago, Demon from Sydney said:

Not true at all.If they are contracted they have no out,as his current club doesn't have to accomodate a trade or other.They still get played but play them in the ressies where their value goes down & no club will offer the same.All other sports do it,just that the AFL are years behind 

If a player wants to go now, they go 99 times in 100

A contract is no more than a handshake, they are broken regularly  

that’s what free agency is

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,470]

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Whose word?

If the Hogan deal is done the May deal would follow in minutes.

A mate who actually spoke with Lachie on Friday.

Obviously it is dependent on the Bell-end but the feeling was it's pretty much finalised.

The Hogan deal I was assuming. I highly doubt the Dockers will want to lose Neale without a 'big fish' to show to their supporters.

[Redleg 37,780]

2 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

A mate who actually spoke with Lachie on Friday.

Obviously it is dependent on the Bell-end but the feeling was it's pretty much finalised.

The Hogan deal I was assuming. I highly doubt the Dockers will want to lose Neale without a 'big fish' to show to their supporters.

Fair enough and thanks for replying. 

[Johnny Karate 559]

I hope Hogan stays. In fact, I hope both he and May are playing for the MFC in 2019 but I just don’t see that happening. 

Riled up by Freo’s nakedly stupid actions I hope the club no longer indulges them at the trade table. Perhaps this is why I’m not employed in Josh Mahoney’s position - why let personal emotion get in the way of a business decision?

I feel for Hogan and his personal circumstances and personally hold no ill will toward him but can equally understand other posters frustrations about him exploring a trade/not committing to MFC.

Gut feel is that the deal will get done. Freo will crow about their negotiating tactics. Some, including myself will feel a bit disappointed that we didn’t get ‘Judd-like’ compensation for Hogan. However, our professional team will have achieved their objective: trading out a player who wanted to go, getting in Steven May who will improve team balance and wants to play for us, along with an improved draft hand.

Melbourne will look like a club that gets it done and cares for players welfare which will enhance our brand in the industry. Freo will be exposed for the anachronistic spivs they are.

[ManDee 7,091]

11 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I’m reading that a guy currently playing at a top club with premiership aspirations and an attacking style of footy suited to forwards is VERY open to being traded to a shite club with a dour defensive minded coach with little hope of playing finals for at least the next three years. 

Am I wrong?

Where are you reading this? Oh I see its the vibe. It's your opinion,  that's ok. In my opinion  it's better to say it's your opinion.

[Dr.D 1,771]

31 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

I'm worried about this increasing trend on Demonland.  I literally cringe, and move immediately to the next post, as soon as Dr.D's avatar appears on my screen.  ?

Haha, to be fair it's until round 1 of next season. I believe that was the bet Binman? Also, Peter Bell would be worse

[Ethan Tremblay 28,436]

[sue 8,451]

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Fair enough and thanks for replying. 

Yes, but please state the nature of the source in the first place.    Admittedly anyone can make up an unnamed source, but at at least it's something - at least it's an indication that the poster is not just stating his own hunch.

Edited October 14, 2018 by sue

[Crompton's the man 635]

If Jesse doesn’t go this trade period and I hope he doesn’t, every media event next year will make his life a never ending circus with questions and speculation.

Maybe even if he has said to the FD that he wants out next year, he could be persuaded to sign a (three year) contract extension to keep the dogs away in 2019 with the FD agreeing that they will enter negotiations this time next year.

This would give him a calm footy environment for the year and place the club in a (more) sound negotiating position instead of the frantic mess we are currently witnessing.

Supposition but could be a reasonable interim outcome 

[DeeZee 6,776]

We should have a poll on who thinks he is gone and who thinks he stays

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

3 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

We should have a poll on who thinks he is gone and who thinks he stays

I've read all 329 pages and I'm convinced he's doing both.