Farewell Jesse Hogan

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

He is usually so chatty...

you know very well what I mean

[Moonshadow 16,194]

41 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

and in all of this someone is remarkably silent 

Which chap are you talking about?

[Jaded No More 57,906]

IF Hogan doesn’t leave but refuses to sign an extension of his contract at the same time, I would be extremely disappointed. 

One has to coincide with the other. Commit or go. It can’t be both. 

[daisycutter 28,531]

Just now, Jaded said:

IF Hogan doesn’t leave but refuses to sign an extension of his contract at the same time, I would be extremely disappointed. 

One has to coincide with the other. Commit or go. It can’t be both. 

but it can be, and has been elsewhere. may not be ideal, but then, what can you do if he digs in

[P-man 13,168]

If Hogan stays then Luke Darcy loses credibility. Which would mean he enters negative credibility. Also known as the Greg Denham Zone.

[beelzebub 22,225]

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Which chap are you talking about?

him

[Jibroni 4,057]

5 minutes ago, P-man said:

If Hogan stays then Luke Darcy loses credibility. Which would mean he enters negative credibility. 

Did he have any to start with??

[P-man 13,168]

1 minute ago, Jibroni said:

Did he have any to start with??

No....hence entering negative territory.

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

The Channel 7 news update about Melbourne digging their heels in was based on a 10 second soundbite Nathan Jones gave Mark Stevens at the B&F last night. Jones said “Hoges is a contracted player who we rate highly and expect to be at the club next season.” Jones also added “plenty of water to go under the bridge before anything plays out there” or words to that effect.

So I take from that nothing really except that perhaps Jones has been told by club power brokers to trot out a defensive line and pushback on the narrative that the club is simply happy to walk our key forward  to Freo on quick, friendly terms. 

Ie. The club is prepared to talk tough on Hogan, readying itself for a stoush at the trade table.

Posters like Bing181 who can’t grasp this concept take note.

Edited October 2, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[daisycutter 28,531]

1 minute ago, P-man said:

No....hence entering negative territory.

 

are we arguing over a moron and a oxymoron?

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

are we arguing over a moron and a oxymoron?

 

O2 be so cruel

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,154]

52 minutes ago, Jaded said:

IF Hogan doesn’t leave but refuses to sign an extension of his contract at the same time, I would be extremely disappointed. 

One has to coincide with the other. Commit or go. It can’t be both. 

I understand the sentiment and frustration but disagree.

He has committed to the club when he signed his last contract extension, it would be manifestly unfair if he honoured that contract, yet we demanded an additional extension on top of the one he's already committed to.  There are plenty of players on our list who are out of contract next year, yet we're no demanding an extension from them...

 

 

[Demon Disciple 10,947]

3 hours ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Melbourne may be making freo sweat to ensure we get pick 5 & 6

minimum?

[DeeZee 6,732]

Or wanting Jesse to stay one more year for a big tilt at the flag?

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

I'm sick of hearing radio hosts/sport's commentator's thinking Hogan is only worth a early first round draft pick. Which we would then use to secure May. I would be staggered if we agreed to that deal. You don't give up a 23 year old KPF that will kick 50+ goals a season for the next 10 years for a 27 year old KPB. Dees need to play hard ball and get two early first rounders for Hogan. No exceptions!     

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,281]

55 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The Channel 7 news update about Melbourne digging their heels in was based on a 10 second soundbite Nathan Jones gave Mark Stevens at the B&F last night. Jones said “Hoges is a contracted player who we rate highly and expect to be at the club next season.” Jones also added “plenty of water to go under the bridge before anything plays out there” or words to that effect.

So I take from that nothing really except that perhaps Jones has been told by club power brokers to trot out a defensive line and pushback on the narrative that the club is simply happy to walk our key forward  to Freo on quick, friendly terms. 

Ie. The club is prepared to talk tough on Hogan, readying itself for a stoush at the trade table.

Posters like Bing181 who can’t grasp this concept take note.

Completely agree

The club and the media trainers have just tightened up the messaging which was a little raw/loose (or honest) over the weekend

Nothing to suggest an outcome one way or the other OR a change in position

Here are the two key IVs that have spurred the media reporting today

Check out @9NewsMelb’s Tweet:

Check out @7NewsMelbourne’s Tweet:

 

 

[daisycutter 28,531]

Just now, Caligula's cohort said:

I'm sick of hearing radio hosts/sport's commentator's thinking Hogan is only worth a early first round draft pick. Which we would then use to secure May. I would be staggered if we agreed to that deal. You don't give up a 23 year old KPF that will kick 50+ goals a season for the next 10 years for a 27 year old KPB. Dees need to play hard ball and get two early first rounders for Hogan. No exceptions!     

it just goes to show how much bs gets thrown around by the sports media - we are so blessed

[corowa 216]

3 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Or wanting Jesse to stay one more year for a big tilt at the flag?

It's not that many weeks ago that we were extolling the virtue of having a pair of big forwards the equal of the best in the league.

We were the highest scoring team this season. I can't see the need to change this style of play.

Losing one of the big two KPF will do nothing to maintain our high scores.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

9 minutes ago, corowa said:

It's not that many weeks ago that we were extolling the virtue of having a pair of big forwards the equal of the best in the league.

We were the highest scoring team this season. I can't see the need to change this style of play.

Losing one of the big two KPF will do nothing to maintain our high scores.

Or am I missing something?

 

It’s about finding that better overall team balance. If Weid can kick 30 (very achievable) and Petracca can increase his goal output (also very achievable) the loss of Hogan can be ameliorated or close to.

At the same time the trade should allow us to strengthen our back six (May) and add some class elsewhere on the park, preferably outside midfield.

On the balance of it, this trade can and should strengthen our best 22, particularly it should make us harder to score against.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,470]

4 hours ago, DeeZee said:

Melbourne has denied a move by Hogan to Fremantle.

Source Channel 7 just now 

Cool. We still want our man...

[Frustrated Demon 233]

I still want May for our backline, is this still possible?

[drdrake 3,038]

11 minutes ago, Frustrated Demon said:

I still want May for our backline, is this still possible?

Only if the AFL allow us to trade next years first round pick which might not be enough considering it will be Pick 18

[adonski 9,145]

I can’t believe how many people now think Hogan is staying.

[beelzebub 22,225]

23 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Cool. We still want our man...

Bell moved the goal posts

We moved them back.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 hour ago, Caligula's cohort said:

I'm sick of hearing radio hosts/sport's commentator's thinking Hogan is only worth a early first round draft pick. Which we would then use to secure May. I would be staggered if we agreed to that deal. You don't give up a 23 year old KPF that will kick 50+ goals a season for the next 10 years for a 27 year old KPB. Dees need to play hard ball and get two early first rounders for Hogan. No exceptions!     

Most media pundits don’t want Melbourne to receive two high first rounders for Hogan. They still see is as a minnow club who should do as we’re told and accept what we’re given in the manner of the third born in a poor family. Mark Robinson was on FoxFooty the other night adamant the Dees should not receive two first round picks for Hogan. I wonder why? Could it be that an even stronger Melbourne outfit makes it that much harder for his beloved Bombers to lift another Cup?

Vested interests left right and centre in all this reporting on potential trades. All we need to be concerned about is laying it out very clearly to Freo what we expect in trade and then stick to it. Any media noise that suggests we are being unreasonable or that we are overvaluing Hogan is exactly that ... noise.