10 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Does make you wounder if Max rubs too many of the umpires up the wrong way.  Coincidentally it was against St Kilda last year that the umps awarded free after free against Max for trivial ruck infringements that were only explained post game.

I thought the same thing.  There seems to be as much unconscious bias by umpires in Brownlow voting as there is with supporter 'affirmation' based free kicks.

I wondered whether Oliver is in the same boat.  The umpires could not have missed all the undeserved talk of 'diving' and 'throwing' and he is a cheeky sort of a guy.

Rapt for all our players and the team.  For us to come second in team polling is another strong indicator of how far we have come over the last 4-5 years.

 

@Ethan Tremblayloved the instagram by Gus sending up the AFL.  Reckon he will get an invite next year! 

He might start Hi-5's with all the umpires next year, not just Razor.  Huge achievement for him and a great way for his family to end the year.

Did I read correctly? Rance got 0 votes. Ha so why did he get an invite? The superstar got donuts

15 minutes ago, sue said:

This.  I may be wrong but I don't recall us winning any Brownlows in the 50's/60's.   We may have led the total votes count however.

Smith's ethos was team first.

14 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The top three teams to win Brownlow medals are Sydney with 14 medals, Western Bulldogs (10) and St Kilda (10). They've won 5, 2 and 1 premierships respectively. 

Except the Brownlow came from the premiership team just last year.

The Brownlow has always been an umpires votes and was fine when there was only 1 umpire.

Then we went to 2 umps and one year they both voted and the vote tally was huge so they decided that the umpires would concur and give one set of votes. The flaw in the system is now 3 umpires have to compromise and pick a consensus 3,2,1 and given they cannot often agree on a correct umpiring decision it is no surprise they get some wrong.

Now it is a midfielder award

36 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Did I read correctly? Rance got 0 votes. Ha so why did he get an invite? The superstar got donuts

Umpires clearly don't like 'stagers'.  They started paying frees against him.  Teach the sod a lesson.

44 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Did I read correctly? Rance got 0 votes. Ha so why did he get an invite? The superstar got donuts

Plenty of great players don't get Brownlow votes. For example, Neville Jetta has never received a Brownlow vote.

54 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The top three teams to win Brownlow medals are Sydney with 14 medals, Western Bulldogs (10) and St Kilda (10). They've won 5, 2 and 1 premierships respectively. 

Happy to swap a swag of Brownlows for more premierships please. kthkbye

Let us celebrate Gus and Gawny's results.

Maybe the umpires are closer to the action and realise the "quality"of a players involvement a little better than from a TV Screen or from 200 metres away.

Let us recognise it is an Umpire Voted award. The Coaches have their award and Channell 7 have theirs etc.

The one that would rate the least credible is Ch 7 , because the organisation of last nights count  resembled a school concert, because they could not work out what the main event was. ( It was really Richo/Cooney  skit which was great.) Let us revert to making it a radio event and have reported driving around Melbourne to find the winner. ( and telecast that !!!)

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Plenty of great players don't get Brownlow votes. For example, Neville Jetta has never received a Brownlow vote.

now that is quite staggering

Congratulations to Gus, Big Max, Clayton and the rest of the Team, the boy's played some great tough and exciting footy in 2018, let's hope that we can pick up a bit of quality support for Max and that Jesse and Jake can come back to their utter best in 2019 so that we don't drop those games that we should win and we can finish top 4 to have a really good crack in 2019 and beyond.

I love what this team brings to the game most weeks, however we need to find another 5% internally and bring in a few fresh faces again to maintain and refresh our enthusiasm and will to win.And Yes hemingway Nev Jetta is a Super star of the competition on and off the field and wasn't it great to see Jimma's daughter doing such a grand job on the night, he would have been proud indeed.

We had 93 votes total.  That has to be the most ever by Melbourne?    I doubt we have ever gone close to that before.

The umpires do a great job, particularly when you consider they have to leave their Labradors off the ground!

Apologies for the political incorrectness of my post, I’m a keen supporter of Guide dogs association and have a lab and a mungrel lab, should have called him Nicholls!!

15 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Congrats Gus and Gawn on finishing in the top 5 that's some effort GO DEES!

Technically top 4

6 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Did I read correctly? Rance got 0 votes. Ha so why did he get an invite? The superstar got donuts

He was Bruce McAvaney's plus 1

22 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

He was Bruce McAvaney's plus 1

Rancey, Rancey oh Rancey.

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Plenty of great players don't get Brownlow votes. For example, Neville Jetta has never received a Brownlow vote.

and ANB got 3 votes in one game.  what a world

no offence Alex

7 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

A few observations:

• Brayshaw polling more than Oliver suggests two things. He kicks the ball more than Oliver, so perhaps umpires value that form of disposal more than handpassing. As it generally equates to more metres gained, that's understandable, even though it's often the first handpass that sets that train in motion. Secondly, Oliver has a habit of arguing with umpires when he gives away a free kick or doesn't receive what he believes he's earned. I suspect umpires don't respond well to that implied criticism

Exactly what I was thinking. He continually argues and comes across as a gobby little whiney shiite. If I was an umpire I would be less than well disposed towards him and be more likely to give votes to someone else.

Congrats to Angus Brayshaw. Plays a style that looks good. Doesn't argue. Could be one of those players that polls well year after year, the way Adam Goodes did.

I think Gawn did about as well as a ruckman can do these days. Again, congrats. He had a good year and was a deserved AA and ruckman of the year.

9 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

I thought the same thing.  There seems to be as much unconscious bias by umpires in Brownlow voting as there is with supporter 'affirmation' based free kicks.

I wondered whether Oliver is in the same boat.  The umpires could not have missed all the undeserved talk of 'diving' and 'throwing' and he is a cheeky sort of a guy.

Rapt for all our players and the team.  For us to come second in team polling is another strong indicator of how far we have come over the last 4-5 years.

 

@Ethan Tremblayloved the instagram by Gus sending up the AFL.  Reckon he will get an invite next year! 

He might start Hi-5's with all the umpires next year, not just Razor.  Huge achievement for him and a great way for his family to end the year.

Doubt it. Grundy imo was set to poll more because he won more of the ball. Ruckman just don't poll well. Gawn did superbly to get as much as he did. 

8 hours ago, dimmy said:

Let us celebrate Gus and Gawny's results.

Maybe the umpires are closer to the action and realise the "quality"of a players involvement a little better than from a TV Screen or from 200 metres away.

Let us recognise it is an Umpire Voted award. The Coaches have their award and Channell 7 have theirs etc.

The one that would rate the least credible is Ch 7 , because the organisation of last nights count  resembled a school concert, because they could not work out what the main event was. ( It was really Richo/Cooney  skit which was great.) Let us revert to making it a radio event and have reported driving around Melbourne to find the winner. ( and telecast that !!!)

Not totally sure if you are serious pal but trusting in the likes of Nicholls and Razor is a fools game, there is a reason why some of the greatest players ever think Lethal, Carey and Ablett Senior have zero brownlows between them. The whole Brownlow thing suits guys that run around on their own collecting cheap kicks even if the cant actually kick a footy think Harvey, Round and Martin.

Accountable players like Oliver, Viney and Harmes don't run around collecting the easy kicks so aren't likely to win one, Brayshaw might he ticks a few of the boxes, forget about Maxy, super season again but not collecting anywhere near enough cheap possession to win a Brownlow. Jesse Hogan was up there with the very best forward in the first half and don't see his name anywhere.

 

All in all do what I do, don't bother watching the Brownlow, when you put any focus on the opinions of Razor and his mates you have lost the plot.

 

3 hours ago, Aus in Engerland said:

Exactly what I was thinking. He continually argues and comes across as a gobby little whiney shiite. If I was an umpire I would be less than well disposed towards him and be more likely to give votes to someone else.

Congrats to Angus Brayshaw. Plays a style that looks good. Doesn't argue. Could be one of those players that polls well year after year, the way Adam Goodes did.

I think Gawn did about as well as a ruckman can do these days. Again, congrats. He had a good year and was a deserved AA and ruckman of the year.

To me, he (Oliver) looks like he sticks up for himself, well above Brownlow or no Brownlow, personal reward or more money, money, money.

You could tell the Bubba boys were there, Danger, Gazza and Mitch himself, and they all would sacrifice for a Flag........sure.

Oliver is the consummate Team player, just ask his handballs......

Umpires are close to the action and have the best view of who is working hard and succeeding. They have shown a clear preference in recent years for players who are highly visible and who run hard, collect the ball and deliver to advantage by kicking. Describes Angus perfectly.

Clarrie's inside work is too fast and too subtle for easy comprehension. For example, everyone has lauded Jake M for the goal against dorks but Clarrie's role in contesting the loose ball in the centre, winning the ball against 2 opponents and then delivering to a free Angus has been overlooked.

Without Clarrie, the opportunity might not have been there. Angus's run and kick and Jake's goal will win votes but not Clarrie's work to win the ball. With respect, others such as Salem and Hannan, could have successfully substituted for Angus and Jake 's. But who could substitute for Clarrie?

No one. He's unique and special. And too good to ever poll well in the Brownlow.

 

 

 

You should have to do something if you get invited and poll 0 votes. Like a shoey.

Tom Mitchell the little mercenary charged (through his manager) $1000 per interview following his Brownlow win.