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4 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Wow. People forgave Denis Pagan faster than they are letting go of the hate for Neeld. It is starting to get a bit cringeworthy.

Pagan is dual a Premiership coach...he got royally scr....d in his time at Carlton with the salary cap sanctions.

As for Neeld, I hold no animosity against him. He was out of his depth and should never have been appointed to the position.

Was probably on a hiding to nothing anyway with the board and management structure (for want of a better word) in place at the time.

Rather than cringeworthy I think it's still the remnants of some gallows humour that got us through a pretty tough time.

Good luck to him...

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4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Mark Neeld has been appointed new CEO of Geelong Basketball and the Geelong Supercats.

Titus O’Reily is perhaps not so impressed. 

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Wonder if he's finally got the list he wants to take it to a flag....

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On 7/27/2018 at 6:02 PM, Chook said:

He was also our lab experiment. Idiotic on all sides. The past is the past though (thank god) so we'll just keep on moving.

"The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there."

L.P. Hartley, The Go Between

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It was what it was.

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Reality bus driving over the west gate.

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I wonder if he called up CS for advice on how to CEO....

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On 7/27/2018 at 4:43 PM, praha said:

Nothing wrong with what he said. Roos the following year did see some improvement but our last 10 games were as bad as anything under Neeld. We had a poor list and bad office, with Mr  Whiteboard Wednesday running the show it was always going to be a challenge.

he also landed us Hogan.

 

On 7/27/2018 at 4:50 PM, Moonshadow said:

Yes, Jesse Hogan is his one redeeming action

Yes we had a poor list and lack of good support staff behind the scenes, but there is one thing that Neeld did for us that we should be eternally greatfull for in this respect it is for him bringing Jason Taylor over from Collingwood.  Perhaps the Neeld legacy is not so bad after all.

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On 7/28/2018 at 12:05 PM, picket fence said:

He should go down as the worst coach MFC ever had.

 

 

On 7/28/2018 at 5:05 PM, 71 Molloy said:

Todd Viney?  1/5 and that was against GC.

 

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Todd_Viney.html

I'm not 100% sure the assertion yoi are making here Molloy, but if it's that Todd Viney was the MFC's worst coach, then that's a shocking and completely wrong assertion to me.

Just looking at his actual record, first two games after taking over a team bereaved of confidence, within two games he makes progress cutting a 76 point loss in his first game as coach, reducing that to a 48 point loss in his second game and then finishing off the season with two losses under 10 points and a win.

My reccolection at the time was that Viney took the team back to playing simple hard, agressive tackling brand of football and actually started to bring back some confidence and beleif in the players.  He actually did the job so well that there was some mild speculation that perhaps he might take on the job the next year permanently, which to Todds credit he refused to apply for based on his own assessment of his coaching capacity and aspiration (or the genuine lack there of with respects to the later).

As far as I understand, Todd Viney has made a fantastic and highly capable contribution to the MFC in his proffesional role at the club, so for the assertion and slight to be made against him as a coach is really quite poor form in my view.

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1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I wonder if he called up CS for advice on how to CEO....

 

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The past aside, I hope he does a good job in the role.  I think taking a job outside of the football industry might be the best thing for him.

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Maybe it's about time we left the guy alone. We have moved on and successfully. Enough is enough.

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In actual fact, Neeld had some very good ideas on tactics and strategies but was doomed pretty much from the start. Many of the senior players resented his appointment after the sacking of Dean Bailey and there was an undercurrent of dissent from the playing group and others at the club. This was problematic because, as it turned out, Neeld’s man management skills were poor and the list wasn’t much good either. It took a much better coach in Roos who had an improving list more than two years to get the club out of a mire that had taken years to develop. In other words, it wasn’t just Neeld who was at fault for our situation.

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Please let it go. It was a long time ago, during a period of our history no one can be proud of. 

Mark didn’t set out to completely bomb out, i felt sorry for the guy to a degree.that win against Essendrug when Neeld was on the Boundry line at the final siren proved that

The list at the time was fractured and wouldn’t change. 

The CEO had to go first...

Please don’t bump this thread again. 

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Please don’t bump this thread again. 

Wouldn’t it be much easier if, instead of that, you simply resisted the urge to open this thread in the future?

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25 minutes ago, rumpole said:

Wouldn’t it be much easier if, instead of that, you simply resisted the urge to open this thread in the future?

No 

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2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Please let it go. It was a long time ago, during a period of our history no one can be proud of. 

Don't be ridiculous.  It's a discussion point.  Don't participate if you don't want to.  Certainly don't tell others what they should or shouldn't discuss.

The guy was delusional.

If you watched Open Mike you'd realise he's either in denial, or emotionally as thick as a brick. 

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4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Please let it go. It was a long time ago, during a period of our history no one can be proud of. 

Mark didn’t set out to completely bomb out, i felt sorry for the guy to a degree.that win against Essendrug when Neeld was on the Boundry line at the final siren proved that

The list at the time was fractured and wouldn’t change. 

The CEO had to go first...

Please don’t bump this thread again. 

Who are you to tell us what to do? No one forces you to open the thread. Don't like the topic? Tough tittties.

Stick to the coaches award outrage WYL. You're better at that, or not...

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4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

In actual fact, Neeld had some very good ideas on tactics and strategies

Genuine question WJ  ?

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21 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

 

I'm not 100% sure the assertion yoi are making here Molloy, but if it's that Todd Viney was the MFC's worst coach, then that's a shocking and completely wrong assertion to me.

Just looking at his actual record, first two games after taking over a team bereaved of confidence, within two games he makes progress cutting a 76 point loss in his first game as coach, reducing that to a 48 point loss in his second game and then finishing off the season with two losses under 10 points and a win.

My reccolection at the time was that Viney took the team back to playing simple hard, agressive tackling brand of football and actually started to bring back some confidence and beleif in the players.  He actually did the job so well that there was some mild speculation that perhaps he might take on the job the next year permanently, which to Todds credit he refused to apply for based on his own assessment of his coaching capacity and aspiration (or the genuine lack there of with respects to the later).

As far as I understand, Todd Viney has made a fantastic and highly capable contribution to the MFC in his proffesional role at the club, so for the assertion and slight to be made against him as a coach is really quite poor form in my view.

I agree we played slightly better and tougher under Viney compared to the horror previous fortnight against Hawthorn and 186.

However that loss in round 24 against Port who were a VFL standard side that year was horrid and would’ve cost him any chance of winning a permanent job, in the event that he was interested.

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21 hours ago, daisycutter said:

bloody hell......how does a bus do that?

It's the reality bus and Neeld was the driver, just another day at the office.

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17 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

In actual fact, Neeld had some very good ideas on tactics and strategies but was doomed pretty much from the start. Many of the senior players resented his appointment after the sacking of Dean Bailey and there was an undercurrent of dissent from the playing group and others at the club. This was problematic because, as it turned out, Neeld’s man management skills were poor and the list wasn’t much good either. It took a much better coach in Roos who had an improving list more than two years to get the club out of a mire that had taken years to develop. In other words, it wasn’t just Neeld who was at fault for our situation.

Firstly, think as I might I can't identify "some very good ideas on tactics and strategies" but I'd be grateful if you could expand on this point.  My memory is he tried to introduce the Malthouse kick long down the line, create a stoppage and do it all again.

Secondly, I don't think the players resented his appointment.  He, by his own admission on Open Mike, said he was given a directive by Cameron Schwab and Chris Connolly to be really hard on the playing group and acted on that instruction.  He later said he wished he had followed his own feeling and made his own judgements.  Neeld's behaviours ostracised the senior playing group which was his own doing (at the instruction of others if you are to believe him), the players didn't resent him because he replaced Bailey.

I agree with the rest of what you said - clearly the fault wasn't all Neeld's, the fact is he was just a very poor coach.  Thank heavens for Jackson and all he put into place.

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