POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

[Deeoldfart 7,853]

We are still breathing ..... that's the first positive.  All the changes improved us ........ that's the second.  Tracc (in particular) and Hogan returned to form big way ...... that makes three.  Max and Clarry continue to star.   Fritta continued his rise ......... etc, etc ......... and the cognac is very smooth!  Well done Dees!

Edited July 7, 2018 by Deeoldfart

[Nasher 33,246]

Just now, timbo said:

Yes he's the only one or yes he's right?

Yes he’s the only one.

Obviously I don’t know if he’s the only one or not, but I definitely don’t share his view.

[Bates Mate 4,121]

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

Every week Lewis does something undisciplined. Should not be a leader. 

He is getting lazy as well 3 hacks out of the air instead of trying to grab it

[titan_uranus 23,195]

Positives and negatives to take from that.

We absolutely dominated them for 95% of the game. We were clinical through the middle, we out-ran them, our press held up, and we clearly tried (although didn't always succeed) to lower our eyes going inside. Oliver was outstanding, Brayshaw great, Petracca improved, and both Stretch and Garlett were welcome additions (Stretch in particular, his side steps were excellent). And our percentage jumped nearly 3%.

On the other hand, too many of the same problems were still there. We still press so high that our opponents score too easily in the space out the back. We still don't convert enough of our inside 50 dominance (+50 inside 50s should be a 154 point win, not a 54 point win). We still commit horrendous turnovers (Jetta to Mundy in the first quarter). 

Good to get the win and the percentage boost, and I think most of our selections worked out for the better, but clearly still plenty to work on.

9 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Was inside 50 count 78 to 28?

Lots of useless long bombs again, forward congestion, perfect opportunity for a specialist zippy little forward to show his class and get 20 possies and a handful of goals. 

If the best compliment we can give Jeffy is to say he laid 6 tackles in slippery conditions, then we need to seriously reassess his value to our club.

Did you watch the game Moonshadow, or are you just going from the stats? 

Fremantle's plan was to congest our forward line. There just wasn't room to move. It wasn't like we had oodles of space and Garlett wasn't able or willing to use it. He had little room to move. He ran, chased, tackled and pressured more than he was before he was dropped and certainly more than our forward line was doing the past three weeks. And he gave us another dimension to the forward line.

[Demon Dynasty 16,353]

21 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Okay difficult conditions but we still over do the handball.

We do but some of our more experienced dish off too many bullet handballs to players in close.  Especially in greasy / slippery conditions.  Soft hands?

Also lHogan needs to stop handballing to the opposition for the sake of handballing to anyone.  Crazy.

Edited July 7, 2018 by Rusty Nails

[Bates Mate 4,121]

Who out of our forwards do you trust having a set shot ?? Tmac and Fritsch the rest are horrible its a worry that will cost us games.

 

[whatwhat say what 20,366]

Interesting that we had to play J Smith as a forward cos they were flooding so hard back and he had no match up

It was ugly, ugly UGLY to watch

But we got it done, thank god, and no major issues with injury from what i could see

Coulda been better, coulda been worse...

[Deemented Are Go! 3,643]

3 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

He is getting lazy as well 3 hacks out of the air instead of trying to grab it

Even the commentator (Adam what’s his name) said ‘jeez should’ve put his head over it there..” 

looked lazy 

[Demon Dynasty 16,353]

1 minute ago, Bates Mate said:

Who out of our forwards do you trust having a set shot ?? Tmac and Fritsch the rest are horrible its a worry that will cost us games.

 

Jeffy

[dee-tox 4,831]

The opposition was pretty ordinary to be fair.

 

 

[Moonshadow 16,609]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Did you watch the game Moonshadow, or are you just going from the stats? 

Fremantle's plan was to congest our forward line. There just wasn't room to move. It wasn't like we had oodles of space and Garlett wasn't able or willing to use it. He had little room to move. He ran, chased, tackled and pressured more than he was before he was dropped and certainly more than our forward line was doing the past three weeks. And he gave us another dimension to the forward line.

Sure I watched the game, Uranus.

Jeffy was underwhelming in perfect conditions for him to kick a handful and remind us of his capabilities. But I guess we should be happy with 'he ran and chased'

[davo 209]

24 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Thought Frost did well in his return. 

Frost must stay in, he’s quick and gives us run 

[billyblanks29 184]

Agree Petracca showed good form with 130 supercoach points. Shows his potential. The critical commentary has been valid.

We are still a year or two off bring a top 4 team in my opinion. Mostly a lack of coaching experience more than the players. Need to sort out the best backline line up.

Edited July 7, 2018 by billyblanks29

[RalphiusMaximus 6,000]

I'll take it.  Obviously a 100 point win with better accuracy would have been nice, but we absolutely dominated a team that we should dominate. 

It looks like Joel Smith might be on his way back to Casey.  He's still a work in progress, but right now his lack of game sense is hurting the side too much. 

We need to get rid of the Darwin game ASAP.  The players are going to be stuffed next week. 

[chook fowler 18,582]

Oscar is so much better with another tall down back. Frost was really good tonight. 

[titan_uranus 23,195]

Just now, Moonshadow said:

Sure I watched the game, Uranus.

Jeffy was underwhelming in perfect conditions for him to kick a handful and remind us of his capabilities. But I guess we should be happy with 'he ran and chased'

No they weren't. It was greasy, and our forward line had almost 36 players in it at times.

And we can be happy with "he ran and chased". People jump over each other to heap praise on Richmond's small forwards because of their running, chasing, tackling and pressure. We need that from Garlett just as much, if not more (given our other avenues to goal) than we need goals.

4 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Who out of our forwards do you trust having a set shot ?? Tmac and Fritsch the rest are horrible its a worry that will cost us games.

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater on the topic of accuracy just yet. From 15 games this was only the fifth time we kicked more behinds than goals (and only the second time since Hawthorn in Round 5).

[Moonshadow 16,609]

1 vote: Gawn

2 votes: Oliver

3 votes: Razer Ray 

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

8 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Interesting that we had to play J Smith as a forward cos they were flooding so hard back and he had no match up

It was ugly, ugly UGLY to watch

But we got it done, thank god, and no major issues with injury from what i could see

Coulda been better, coulda been worse...

Thought he was pretty good early, then was glad Goodwin made the move because otherwise the only other option was to just leave him on the bench. Hopefully he's judged on his early have play not as a forward but think he would have learnt a bit going there

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Has anyone credited Salem?

 

kid is a gun and deserves some recognition 

[WERRIDEE 5,255]

Good win would have been a great win if we kicked straight.

The inclusions were great especially Stretch best game for a long time.

Trac found some form.

Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw and Viney fantastic.

Hopefully this gets us back on track, big game against the dogs.

[Stillwaiting 60]

Improved as the game wore on. Goal kicking a worry. Missed a chance to bolster our % back up a bit. Got a handy win but should have won it by 75 + points . Need to win strongly next week now and not sit back and bask in this win. There is still a heartbeat and it may get even stronger for those who desire it badly enough.

[Roger Mellie 3,668]

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Sure I watched the game, Uranus.

Jeffy was underwhelming in perfect conditions for him to kick a handful and remind us of his capabilities. But I guess we should be happy with 'he ran and chased'

Did you actually see how far he ran?

[Bates Mate 4,121]

13 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Jeffy

Nah no confidence when he has a set shot . 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

15 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

The opposition was pretty ordinary to be fair.

 

 

They were dreadfully bad.

[Demon Dynasty 16,353]

14 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Positives and negatives to take from that.

We absolutely dominated them for 95% of the game. We were clinical through the middle, we out-ran them, our press held up, and we clearly tried (although didn't always succeed) to lower our eyes going inside. Oliver was outstanding, Brayshaw great, Petracca improved, and both Stretch and Garlett were welcome additions (Stretch in particular, his side steps were excellent). And our percentage jumped nearly 3%.

On the other hand, too many of the same problems were still there. We still press so high that our opponents score too easily in the space out the back. We still don't convert enough of our inside 50 dominance (+50 inside 50s should be a 154 point win, not a 54 point win). We still commit horrendous turnovers (Jetta to Mundy in the first quarter). 

Good to get the win and the percentage boost, and I think most of our selections worked out for the better, but clearly still plenty to work on.

Did you watch the game Moonshadow, or are you just going from the stats? 

Fremantle's plan was to congest our forward line. There just wasn't room to move. It wasn't like we had oodles of space and Garlett wasn't able or willing to use it. He had little room to move. He ran, chased, tackled and pressured more than he was before he was dropped and certainly more than our forward line was doing the past three weeks. And he gave us another dimension to the forward line.

Not a bad return tonight after 10 weeks out.

Would like to see him work harder at getting front and square more often though in coming weeks if he is to impact the scoreboard more often IMO. A few opportunities missed in that regard.  Hopefully that will come with improved AFL match fitness in the next few weeks.