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Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

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Posted (edited)
51 minutes ago, praha said:

Ox and Jako brought it week in, week out, and adapted to their opponent to find ways to better them. Putting Wells and Sylvia alongside them is just silly. How many flags did Robert Harvey win?

Schwarz was making the point about teammates during his era - it's a team game I was pointing out that the fact that was allowed to go on is part of the reason Schwarz has no premiership medal.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, the critics here on Demonland would know heaps more than Dangerfield (and Paul Roos).

 

 

So the pro-Watts posters potting all and sundry at the club know better than Goodwin, McCartney, Mahoney & Jones?

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Posted
21 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Am I missing something? Greg Wells was a great player, and I'm not using the term lightly. Putting him in the same category as Sylvia deserves a ban.

It was Daniel Wells we were talking about

Posted
2 hours ago, sue said:

 

Sorry chaps, I'd take the opinion of Dangerfield on a player's capability and usefulness over anyone on this forum. 

I wouldn't.

He just said Watts best footy is as good as anyone in the competition.  Either hes a liar or knows nothing about footy. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, CityDee said:

Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

Hang on, mate. No need for that. Whatever the motives are and reasons for them doing this, they are doing in the best interests of your footy club you love so much.

Jack will always be a great Demon no matter what happens this off season and if this is it - well, that is footy.

We all have our opinions but let's back the club. Can't hold them accountable outside the tent. Stay on board.

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50 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

i disagree - there's nothing wrong with the way he's been treated

he's under-delivered to expectations

In your opinion

So......keep the closing interview and feedback inhouse

Do not critique a player in public and leave him out to dry

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Posted
5 minutes ago, CityDee said:

Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

So you are emailing the club, who see his day to day commitment & are not happy with him, to tell them they are doing the wrong thing?

Good on you, I admire it, but that just typifies our supporter base and accepting of mediocrity.

Watts is gone.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

I wouldn't.

He just said Watts best footy is as good as anyone in the competition.  Either hes a liar or knows nothing about footy. 

oh come on, pa. there are plenty of other explanations or is your brain too limited

Posted
Just now, daisycutter said:

oh come on, pa. there are plenty of other explanations or is your brain too limited

Ok, he was drunk then.

Or had a gun to his head.

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Posted
55 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Yes we do - we all know, as does Ch 7, Fox Footy, Talking Footy, RSN, Trade Radio

The coach told everyone

What closed doors???

All we have heard through the MFC spokespeople in the media is that they demand better preparation and higher output from Jack compared to what he's produced so far..

All i'm saying Jumbo is that there are clearly bigger issues and much finer details relating to these comments that none of us know about...

As far as i'm concerned, i'd love Jack to stay if he's going to give 100% and be the best player he can be...but if the club believe it's more beneficial to our club long term to not have him there, then i'm all for the trade!

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Posted
9 minutes ago, CityDee said:

Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

Lol

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5 minutes ago, CityDee said:

Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

CityDee, this is what you wrote a few days after joining this site just over three years ago:

Hated seeing Riv , Maloney , Miller on the ground before Davey's farewell game. Heart and soul players who could play a role and had proven so time and time again. Col played with injury alot and battled hard . Id thank him for what he did. the kid did and can play, all of these guys had bad luck with coaching changes/inept coaching and instability at club land.They had some good times also. Go Dees.

I respect that you clearly have a great love of both the players and the club but from my perspective you've got the order wrong. I've often stated that I'm a member who has tried to enjoy the little successes throughout the journey and focused on those as opposed to a premiership or bust mentality but the older I get the more that elusive premiership has grown  as a priority to me. I hated Grand Final day and have for some time. If Jack leaves, it will be a sad day but surely one player can't be the reason for you to jump off -  particularly a player that is failing to put the necessary effort in for us to improve. Jack has indeed been a huge part of our recent journey and I too have imagined the role that he would play in a potential premiership but it appears that it's not meant to be. Seeing Jones, Viney, Gawn, Hogan, Petracca, Brayshaw, Hunt, Jetta and Oliver celebrating on a premiership dais generates just as much excitement for me. Jack leaving is just another chapter in our story. As every Dees fan knows, not all those chapters have happy endings. But I've never been more convinced than right now that we might be on the cusp of the ultimate fairy tale ending. Don't miss it CityDee.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, CityDee said:

Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

 

7 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Hang on, mate. No need for that. Whatever the motives are and reasons for them doing this, they are doing in the best interests of your footy club you love so much.

Jack will always be a great Demon no matter what happens this off season and if this is it - well, that is footy.

We all have our opinions but let's back the club. Can't hold them accountable outside the tent. Stay on board.

 

14 minutes ago, CityDee said:

Ive emailed the club outlining why he should not be traded and that my membership will be cancelled if he goes . 

Say what you will but It actually makes me feel sick to think we will add Jack to the scrapheap of failed high draft picks- he is in our best 22 . 

We are making a mistake and he will do well elsewhere no doubt as he can with us , Jack is part of our story and we do this when its our time for finals . 

Handing over 600-700$ a year to watch dysfunctional club for 4 of the last 8 years with hope that guys like Watts can help turn it around and now he is being pushed  out , most other clubs want him .

we are making a mistake . 

 

 


Posted
9 minutes ago, Beetle said:

All we have heard through the MFC spokespeople in the media is that they demand better preparation and higher output from Jack compared to what he's produced so far..

All i'm saying Jumbo is that there are clearly bigger issues and much finer details relating to these comments that none of us know about...

As far as i'm concerned, i'd love Jack to stay if he's going to give 100% and be the best player he can be...but if the club believe it's more beneficial to our club long term to not have him there, then i'm all for the trade!

That's it in a nutshell.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

I wouldn't.

He just said Watts best footy is as good as anyone in the competition.  Either hes a liar or knows nothing about footy. 

His best  footy is excellent. We just haven't seen it enough and the coaches see that he isnt dedicated to becoming an elite player.

which bit don't you get?

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13 minutes ago, Beetle said:

All we have heard through the MFC spokespeople in the media is that they demand better preparation and higher output from Jack compared to what he's produced so far..

All i'm saying Jumbo is that there are clearly bigger issues and much finer details relating to these comments that none of us know about...

As far as i'm concerned, i'd love Jack to stay if he's going to give 100% and be the best player he can be...but if the club believe it's more beneficial to our club long term to not have him there, then i'm all for the trade!

They could be right, they could be wrong

I don't support the club blindly - I think they're making the wrong call here

Call him in and say 'here are your limitations - work on them, or you'll be traded or playing at Casey' .....then, don't blurt it out to all and sundry

Allow JW to process the conversation and act accordingly, or fall by the wayside

If I remember correctly, many moons ago, the FD called in David Neitz and gave him some home truths - as we all know, he duly delivered

Watts has been treated poorly 

Let's agree to disagree

 

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

So the pro-Watts posters potting all and sundry at the club know better than Goodwin, McCartney, Mahoney & Jones?

Not everyone 'within' the club is happy about this approach.

An older, more experienced Goodwin might very well give the rookie first year Goodwin a few words of wisdom on this one. I suspect he still has a binary code on this stuff - a seasoned, modern senior coach seems to possess more EQ on the human stuff than the old dinosaur coaches and the coaches new to the ranks.

I would love Goodwin to reach out to Hardwick on this before pressing the ejector button on Watts. I strongly suspect he would have a few pearls of wisdom that would be pertinent to the issue at hand. And it'll be around the human, non technical stuff.

Ironically, I think Goodwin's trying too hard (and I like him). Quite often, the ability to know when to manage certain issues from 40,000 feet, and to know when NOT to squeeze the grip too tightly, comes from experience. It's about materiality. It takes a fairly refined perspective on things. 

David Gonski is big on this. But it takes years of experience and knowledge to know when to simply oversee from above and when to micro-manage. Sure, Jack probably needs a boot up the arse on some things. But he also needs to be respected and feel safe on certain other issues. He is a loyal and supremely talented player. He adds value and dimensionality to our list.

I really fear that we're about to lose a good soldier here. To the absolute detriment of all of us. It's killing me to read this thread.

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

They could be right, they could be wrong

I don't support the club blindly - I think they're making the wrong call here

Call him in and say 'here are your limitations - work on them, or you'll be traded or playing at Casey' .....then, don't blurt it out to all and sundry

Allow JW to process the conversation and act accordingly, or fall by the wayside

If I remember correctly, many moons ago, the FD called in David Neitz and gave him some home truths - as we all know, he duly delivered

Watts has been treated poorly 

Let's agree to disagree

 

Yes...lets. I appreciate the response and can certainly see where you are coming from.

 

BUT who's to say they haven't already had these meetings/conversations with him and he isn't holding up his end of the bargain?

 

If that's the case (and i'm not saying it is) perhaps, they've finally had enough of the lip service.

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Jack, if Chris Scott, Paddy Dangerfield and Joel Selwood want you, just go. They have all experienced success and know not what winning is about. Grab the opportunity to play with Danger, Selwood and probably Ablett. You have been treated poorly by a succession of coaches and the fact that they are asking you to go is a sign of their own weakness and inability to manage you. 70% of Demonlanders want you to stay. That says it all.

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Posted
1 hour ago, sue said:

I don't mind people saying trading Watts for appropriate return is good for the club.  It's the relentless harping on his weaknesses that pisses me off.

 

No-one's harping on. They keep being brought up because any number of people here are in denial about golden boy Jack.

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