Brownlow Night

[Josh 1,420]

With Patty out and Martin playing on the edge, is it worth a pineapple on Oliver?

 

Champion Data has him as third favourite statistically and you are essentially gambling that Dusty will be rubbed out

[ding 5,126]

14 minutes ago, Josh said:

With Patty out and Martin playing on the edge, is it worth a pineapple on Oliver?

 

Champion Data has him as third favourite statistically and you are essentially gambling that Dusty will be rubbed out

Nah, Dusty knows he is probably a shoe-in now and he will no doubt modify his behaviour.

Anyway, it would be a pretty hollow victory for whoever comes in third and gets the Charlie if Martin gets rubbed out as well .

Clarry will just have to win for the next few years instead.

[praha 11,254]

25 minutes ago, ding said:

Nah, Dusty knows he is probably a shoe-in now and he will no doubt modify his behaviour.

Anyway, it would be a pretty hollow victory for whoever comes in third and gets the Charlie if Martin gets rubbed out as well .

Clarry will just have to win for the next few years instead.

Why? It would mean they've been the best and FAIREST player in the league. 

And IMO players care less about the Brownlow than the media and general public. It's not really a reflection of peer recognition.  Player Association awards are probably held higher among playing groups. Danger could have easily pushed to appeal the suspension but the risk of an extra week and damaging his team's home finals chances greatly outweights the potential of winning an award based almost entirely on umpire bias. 

 

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

I'm not even sure Clarry will be up there, the umpires don't look at stats when they give votes it's just who had the pill more and stood out, which I wouldn't say Clarry does. He doesn't go on big runs or snags many goals (Dangerfield and Martin) you also need a year to get some attention and this is that year for Clarry. Save your $50 and put it on him for 2018

[Willmoy1947 4,230]

If Martin is being, or has been, considered, by any sane umpire, for a Brownlow Medal win, i would be flabbergasted. 

 

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

Brownlow night will be just fine as long as Clarrie and our boys have the non alcoholic beverages at their table ... with bigger things on their minds that Saturday 

Dusty can have the Charlie and the crownies

Edited August 1, 2017 by Delusional demon 82
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[ding 5,126]

1 hour ago, praha said:

Why? It would mean they've been the best and FAIREST player in the league. 

And IMO players care less about the Brownlow than the media and general public. It's not really a reflection of peer recognition.  Player Association awards are probably held higher among playing groups. Danger could have easily pushed to appeal the suspension but the risk of an extra week and damaging his team's home finals chances greatly outweights the potential of winning an award based almost entirely on umpire bias. 

 

Ask the players. Were you around when Rob Harvey won the Brownlow after polling second to Chris Grant? He was embarrassed that night and it took the crowd to let him know it was OK.

I agree with you 100% that based on the CURRENT criteria, any winner shouldnt feel bad if someone who polls more is ineligible from suspension, but the only times it has actually happened indicated the winner might feel differently.

GO CLARRY !!!!!!!

Edited August 1, 2017 by ding

[Skuit 10,031]

Clarry is currently running at 17-33 FF/FA (Career 24-50). Zach Merrett for example is 27-9 (Career 97-33). I have no idea if there's a correlation between Blownlow winners and free tallies but I don't think Clarry has too many friends in yellow. He also gives a bit of lip when pinged as well (very often unfairly).

[Biffen 12,949]

Worth a punt on Clarry For sure.

Even the cash out value will make it worthwhile.

Chopsticks could easily snot someone if they rough him up.

 

[Willmoy1947 4,230]

9 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Worth a punt on Clarry For sure.

Even the cash out value will make it worthwhile.

Chopsticks could easily snot someone if they rough him up.

 

When do they offer cash out, and do they all do it?

[monoccular 17,701]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

With Patty out and Martin playing on the edge, is it worth a pineapple on Oliver?

 

Champion Data has him as third favourite statistically and you are essentially gambling that Dusty will be rubbed out

Steve Bradbury???

[What 18,810]

We havent had a player poll 20+ votes since Woey in 2000.  What a sad old streak to add to our impressive collection of mediocrity.

Clarry will do it this year however.

[Ouch! 2,276]

Where's Tom Mitchell in the betting odds? racked up a lot of stats, albeit in a team that has lost a lot of games.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, willmoy said:

When do they offer cash out, and do they all do it?

TAB. Its available anytime, obviously the price they offer fluctuates according to the state of play.

[Demons1858 1,793]

If Dusty announces he's enacting his free agency rights l wonder which team table he will be on during Brownlow night. Suspect he won't announce anything until after that

[Biffen 12,949]

Sadly we talk about the punt and not the medal.

The best on grounds,added up and  adjusted for the winning team getting 3 ,minus ineligibles,minus teams with even midfield contribution plus the intangible factor of umpire bias and bookie /mafia interference make Oliver a ripping top 3 punt at least.

I added up Jon Browns best ons in a season when he missed many games but won dosh on top 3 or top 5 .

Gamble irresponsibly- the only way to win big!

Also- read the fine print- joint finishers in the 5 may halve or third a dividend.

Having said that - I am a terrible punter but I'm putting a few bucks on Clarry each way.

If there was ever a market for dual Brownlow medalist I'd put the house on it.

It's not a footballer- it's a freak ,once in two generations player.

 

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

3 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Brownlow night will be just fine as long as Clarrie and our boys have the non alcoholic beverages at their table ... with bigger things on their minds that Saturday 

Dusty can have the Charlie and the crownies

Yeah the Grand Final sprint is becoming a big deal

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

6 minutes ago, Gipsy Danger said:

Yeah the Grand Final sprint is becoming a big deal

Torp over the yarra as well 

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

Just now, Delusional demon 82 said:

Torp over the yarra as well 

Jayden Hunt might just go the double. Better look into the odds on that one

[In Harmes Way 7,852]

Given the one sided umpiring we've suffered all year, I'm sure we won't have a player get a BOG in any game.

#ratherthenormsmith

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,098]

Bit awkward if Dangerfield as last year's winner has the traditional role of handing this year's medal to the winner if Dangerfield himself has actually been awarded the most votes. Compelling but nevertheless excruciating television.

For what it's worth, I believe suspended players should be eligible to win the award. They were, by definition, in the top 3 fairest and best players in every round in which they scored votes. 

 

[Willmoy1947 4,230]

46 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Bit awkward if Dangerfield as last year's winner has the traditional role of handing this year's medal to the winner if Dangerfield himself has actually been awarded the most votes. Compelling but nevertheless excruciating television.

For what it's worth, I believe suspended players should be eligible to win the award. They were, by definition, in the top 3 fairest and best players in every round in which they scored votes. 

 

Yes, probably not opposed to this, provided their votes only count up to when they got rubbed out, seeing as it's fairest and best.

[Little Goffy 14,822]

17 hours ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Brownlow night will be just fine as long as Clarrie and our boys have the non alcoholic beverages at their table ... with bigger things on their minds that Saturday 

Dusty can have the Charlie and the crownies

Yeah, if any of our players are still anxious about individual awards they can focus on the Norm Smith Medal instead.

Bring Norm Home!

[jnrmac 20,310]

20 hours ago, Josh said:

With Patty out and Martin playing on the edge, is it worth a pineapple on Oliver?

 

Champion Data has him as third favourite statistically and you are essentially gambling that Dusty will be rubbed out

Favourites don't always win the brownlow

[dl4e 5,851]

Don't worry Hawthorn will get Langford to slip his tongue down Martins throat which means that Dusty will belt langford and get suspended.