Tommy Bugg on report

[jnrmac 20,097]

1 hour ago, mauriesy said:

Sorry, but I can't rationalise, compromise, legitimise, sanitise or minimise Bugg's action. Six weeks is entirely appropriate.

No one is asking you to. But IMO its no worse than Houli. Houli just didn't have media hyenas clawing at his carcas.

Edited July 4, 2017 by jnrmac

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

No one is asking you to. But IMO its no worse than Houli. Houli just didn't have media hyenas clawing at his carcas.

They absolutely did after the MRP decision- people were in meltdown!

[jnrmac 20,097]

23 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

They absolutely did after the MRP decision- people were in meltdown!

They were in meltdown over the penalty, not Houli, and that is a big difference.

FFS Houli will get knighted for services to football such has been the fawning over his 'character' and 'references' while Bugg has been made out to be Jack the Ripper.

Bugg has been friendless, even from the majority on here it would seem.

[gregdemon 624]

From Danny green a boxing expert of course

 

Green admitted Bugg was likely to be suspended but said there 'was nothing in' the incident and there wasn't intent to strike Mills in the head or knock him out.

 

Nothing like the Barry Hall one but  I bet he gets the same as HALL.      Not excusing it it should not have happened but the hysteria is over the top.  Should be 4 weeks

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

If a serial pest like Hayden Ballantyne had done to Christian Petracca what Bugg did to Mills ask yourself, and be honest, what penalty you'd think was appropriate.  I'd want him out of the game for life.

Bugg is a serial pest (similar to Ballantyne) and Mills is a young gun (similar to Petracca).

That's the way the footy world is looking at this.  If Buddy had clocked Tom McDonald in the same way the media would be saying 4 weeks, same as Houli, and probably trying to justify less.

My hope is the Tribunal can divorce the incident from the emotion and if they give Bugg more than Houli they will have to go through some pretty nifty logic to get there.

 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

41 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

They were in meltdown over the penalty, not Houli, and that is a big difference.

FFS Houli will get knighted for services to football such has been the fawning over his 'character' and 'references' while Bugg has been made out to be Jack the Ripper.

Bugg has been friendless, even from the majority on here it would seem.

Bugg has cultivated his 'bad boy' image, and this is the flip side of that.  While I don't believe that the personal attacks on his character are warranted, he is copping his whack due to the action he committed.

And we would be doing exactly the same if it were one of ours.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

Now some guy named Nathan Jones is unfairly maligning Bugg for his innocuous act of self-defense!

Nathan Jones says Tom Bugg has burnt trust with the Demons following Callum Mills hit

Melbourne midfielder Tom Bugg has "burnt a fair bit of trust" within the club following his crude off-the-ball hit on Sydney defender Callum Mills, according to Demons co-captain Nathan Jones.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nathan-jones-says-tom-bugg-has-burnt-trust-with-the-demons-following-callum-mills-hit-20170703-gx41li.html

 

[beelzebub 23,379]

TPF39. In my estimation Bugg is copping his whack not as much for what he did as much as how many are embellishing it.

Someone like Green sees it for what it was. Many in the media ( with varying agendas ) together with his many non-fans are happy to wrap the event in layers of 'evil' to perpetuate their disfavour for him.

Hes a poster boy for the 'bad stuff' and no doubt the AFL and all its pc and hypocritical social voice will line up as many darts as can.

[chook fowler 19,459]

14 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

Leigh Matthews attempted to slaughter Peter Giles every time he looked at him. It was sickening that that malevolent little dwarf got away with so much on the football field. Every time I see his horrible mug, I'm reminded of the viscous toad he was.

Was that toad or turd?

[mauriesy 7,299]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

No one is asking you to. But IMO its no worse than Houli. Houli just didn't have media hyenas clawing at his carcas.

Plenty of people on here are trying.

Like you ... trying to suggest it's no worse than Houli's.

[old dee 23,792]

11 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Now some guy named Nathan Jones is unfairly maligning Bugg for his innocuous act of self-defense!

Nathan Jones says Tom Bugg has burnt trust with the Demons following Callum Mills hit

Melbourne midfielder Tom Bugg has "burnt a fair bit of trust" within the club following his crude off-the-ball hit on Sydney defender Callum Mills, according to Demons co-captain Nathan Jones.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nathan-jones-says-tom-bugg-has-burnt-trust-with-the-demons-following-callum-mills-hit-20170703-gx41li.html

 

Get rid of him he is now detrimental to our team effort.

From here on in he will just reduce our ability to win games.

[beelzebub 23,379]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Get rid of him he is now detrimental to our team effort.

From here on in he will just reduce our ability to win games.

Jones is trotting out the ol' pc party lines. He also managed to give nods to both " unsociable" and " humble & respectful" 

Sorry im having a hard time not laughing my head off at that.

 

[Dees2014 2,377]

1 hour ago, gregdemon said:

From Danny green a boxing expert of course

 

Green admitted Bugg was likely to be suspended but said there 'was nothing in' the incident and there wasn't intent to strike Mills in the head or knock him out.

 

Nothing like the Barry Hall one but  I bet he gets the same as HALL.      Not excusing it it should not have happened but the hysteria is over the top.  Should be 4 weeks

No should be season ending 10 weeks. It is about time this society made king hitting people in the head an absolute no no. You should talk to the medical profession about how many young men they come up against who are seriously injured by idiots king hitting them in bars because they feel like it, leading to life long injuries.

There is no excuse for this, and if our most high profile sport is seen to condone this on the football field we have no hope of reform. Bugg should go, and never return to the MFC nor the AFL.

About this topic. Melbourne should not rejoice in the admiration the AFL community has heaped on it in the last 4 weeks, and then complain about it when we have a shocker. We have craved for attention and being taken seriously by the football community. Well guess what guys: they do, the good and the bad. 

It is up to us to re-establish ourselves in the eyes of the industry, and if we beat Carlton this weekend (in my view unlikely given our injury list), we will become the darlings of the week again.

Our fate, ie our media fate, is entirely in our own hands. Isn't that what we have always craved: to be taken seriously as a power AFL club? Well guess what guys - this is what it looks like. Get used to it, because we will be in the headlines for many many years to come.

[jnrmac 20,097]

48 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Plenty of people on here are trying.

Like you ... trying to suggest it's no worse than Houli's.

This is what you said "Sorry, but I can't rationalise, compromise, legitimise, sanitise or minimise Bugg's action"

I am not doing anything of the sort. I am comparing it and stand by my comment that its no worse than Houli's actions.

So there.

[DubDee 25,891]

People still saying Buggs is not worse than Houlis? Houli was being held while trying to run to receive the ball and trying to break the hold. he got angry and too aggressively swiped and clocked the bloke. forearm to the head not a punch in my opinion. got his 4 weeks he deserved

Bugg stared at Mills and punched him clean in the jaw. would have to be more than 4 weeks or something is not right 

[Jaded No More 68,958]

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Now some guy named Nathan Jones is unfairly maligning Bugg for his innocuous act of self-defense!

Nathan Jones says Tom Bugg has burnt trust with the Demons following Callum Mills hit

Melbourne midfielder Tom Bugg has "burnt a fair bit of trust" within the club following his crude off-the-ball hit on Sydney defender Callum Mills, according to Demons co-captain Nathan Jones.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nathan-jones-says-tom-bugg-has-burnt-trust-with-the-demons-following-callum-mills-hit-20170703-gx41li.html

 

And hopefully we can put this argument to bed now.

The captain of our club and the club as a whole are very unhappy with his actions. As should we all. It was a terrible thing to do, and a poor way to represent our club.

I'm looking forward to all this being over tonight. Cop the ban and move on with our lives. 

[old dee 23,792]

2 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

No should be season ending 10 weeks. It is about time this society made king hitting people in the head an absolute no no. You should talk to the medical profession about how many young men they come up against who are seriously injured by idiots king hitting them in bars because they feel like it, leading to life long injuries.

There is no excuse for this, and if our most high profile sport is seen to condone this on the football field we have no hope of reform. Bugg should go, and never return to the MFC nor the AFL.

About this topic. Melbourne should not rejoice in the admiration the AFL community has heaped on it in the last 4 weeks, and then complain about it when we have a shocker. We have craved for attention and being taken seriously by the football community. Well guess what guys: they do, the good and the bad. 

It is up to us to re-establish ourselves in the eyes of the industry, and if we beat Carlton this weekend (in my view unlikely given our injury list), we will become the darlings of the week again.

Our fate, ie our media fate, is entirely in our own hands. Isn't that what we have always craved: to be taken seriously as a power AFL club? Well guess what guys - this is what it looks like. Get used to it, because we will be in the headlines for many many years to come.

On Bugg I could not agree more. As you rightly say punching people has become a national epidemic. The AFL need to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. 

Suspend for balance of 2017 and  the MFC should drop him from the list at seasons end

[DemonOX 8,791]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

This is what you said "Sorry, but I can't rationalise, compromise, legitimise, sanitise or minimise Bugg's action"

I am not doing anything of the sort. I am comparing it and stand by my comment that its no worse than Houli's actions.

So there.

At least mills saw it coming the Carlton player had no idea. 

[old dee 23,792]

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

At least mills saw it coming the Carlton player had no idea. 

Same result. Knocked out.

all players should feel confident that they can play the game without someone punching them in the face.

[DemonOX 8,791]

What so Bug has snotted someone and suddenly we want to give him 10 weeks and delist him at seasons end. 

Geez settle down imo he will get 4-6 and then earn his spot back in the team. 

People make mistakes and there is nothing wrong with giving him the chance to prove himself again. 

[DemonOX 8,791]

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

Same result. Knocked out.

all players should feel confident that they can play the game without someone punching them in the face.

Mills wasn't knocked out old dee. 

He was knocked on his arse but not knocked out from what I remember. 

Edited July 4, 2017 by DemonOX

[beelzebub 23,379]

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

Same result. Knocked out.

all players should feel confident that they can play the game without someone punching them in the face.

No he wasn't 

[old dee 23,792]

2 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Mills wasn't knocked out old dee. 

He was knocked on his arse but not knocked out from what I remember. 

Correct error on my part. I still feel you should be able to play without fear of being punched in the face.

[beelzebub 23,379]

Just now, old dee said:

Correct error on my part. I still feel you should be able to play without fear of being punched in the face.

Clarry says hi btw 

[DemonOX 8,791]

Just now, old dee said:

Correct error on my part. I still feel you should be able to play without fear of being punched in the face.

Yeah i agree with u there but some posters responses are a tad over the top.