Oliver is no 'stager'!

[Biffen 12,830]

"Sir Lawrence " Oliver has a good feel for the dramatic.

He may yet win an award for his remarkable performances on the big stage.

Simpson could get a role in "Honey I bored the kids to death with my pathetic whining to my Perth media mates".

[frankie_d 1,467]

Just read Grant Thomas on Twitter. He's called the doctors' integrity into question and saying Oliver's credibility is trashed. 

Have to be careful saying those things. If i were the one of docs, I might be off getting some "advice". 

Hope Clarry is getting plenty is support from his teammates and the club. PJ will be all over this. 

Edited June 26, 2017 by frankie_d
Corrrected "reputation" to "credibility"

[monoccular 17,320]

2 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

Just read Grant Thomas on Twitter. He's called the doctors' integrity into question and saying Oliver's reputation is trashed. 

Have to be careful saying those things. If i were the one of docs, I might be off getting some "advice". 

Hope Clarry is getting plenty is support from his teammates and the club. PJ will be all over this. 

Pot......kettle.......black.  

[Copuchas 758]

I think what we're seeing is as a result of the emphasis the MRP now places on consequence instead of the action. If you go back to the round 2 incidents, there is no way that the Hogan and Lewis incidents warranted two weeks, it was purely the medical reports that sunk them. Clearly a medical report for any of these types of incidents has a continuum of potential slants that a Club Doctor can ethically put his name to. The fact that so much emphasis is placed on it by the MRP (rather than the action) has resulted in the medical reports having undue bearing on the outcome. It only needed for one club to exploit that and an arms race was going to ensue. I think that's what we're seeing and I've no doubt the MFC was sufficiently livid after the round 2 outcomes that it resolved firmly there and then for any medical report to be "comprehensive" in nature. Unless and until the competition moves to independent medical assessments by an AFL appointed doctor or the MRP focus returns to the action, it will continue unabated.

Edited June 26, 2017 by Copuchas
correction

[binman 41,963]

I normally don't advocate for the club to come out and make statements about controversial issues but in this case i do wonder if a statement calling out [censored] like taylor, grant and carey for labeling our player a soft cheat and our doctors liars. Barely one word of  condemnation for schofield.

No wonder players dont trust the media. Why would they? It is full of ex players who judge everything through the lens of rheir tough guy faded glory. From a time when men were men. And tbe pathetic double standard of then talking about mental healrh is truly pathetic.

And for god sakes carey has some gall questioning someones morals

Edited June 26, 2017 by binman

[frankie_d 1,467]

At least Simpson acknowledged the medical report. Thompson

"""

Extremely poorly advised within Melbourne. And Doc's - you should be ashamed of yourselves

"""

 

pretty strong stuff 

 

[frankie_d 1,467]

12 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Pot......kettle.......black.  

See edit above

[Biffen 12,830]

1 minute ago, Copuchas said:

I think what we're seeing is as a result of the emphasis the MRP now places on consequence instead of the action. If you go back to the round 2 incidents, there is no way that the Hogan and Lewis incidents warranted two weeks, it was purely the medical reports that sunk them. Clearly a medical report for any of these types of incidents has a continuum of potential slants that a Club Doctor can ethically put his name to. The fact that so much emphasis is placed on it by the MRP (rather than the action) has resulted in the medical reports having undue bearing on the outcome. It only needed for one club to exploit that and an arms race was going to ensue. I think that's what we're seeing and I've no doubt the MFC was sufficiently livid after the round 2 outcomes that it resolved firmly there and then for any medical report to be "comprehensive" in nature. Unless and until the competition moves to independent medical assessments by an AFL appointed doctor or the MRP focus returns to the action, it will continue

Good idea- neutral Dr to make the concussion decision for both teams.

Listening to the Cathouse coach talk up Selwoods chances was pathetic and desperate-even for a Scott brother.

We could all be deprived of Joel Selwoods intellect after his career as a male goat is finished.

[monoccular 17,320]

7 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

At least Simpson acknowledged the medical report. Thompson

"""

Extremely poorly advised within Melbourne. And Doc's - you should be ashamed of yourselves

"""

 

pretty strong stuff 

 

I missed that.  Did Thompson really say that? And Doc's - you should be ashamed of yourselves.  Libelous.  What a slimy hypocrite 

And still no emphasis on the fact that there would be no discussion had the frustrated hack not raised his elbow. 

Edited June 26, 2017 by monoccular

[frankie_d 1,467]

11 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I missed that.  Did Thompson really say that? And Doc's - you should be ashamed of yourselves.  Libelous.  What a slimy hypocrite 

And still no emphasis on the fact that there would be no discussion had the frustrated hack not raised his elbow. 

Yep. 

 

[John Crow Batty 8,778]

Posters who doubt the force of even a minor elbow impact should try this experiment. 

Hold your arm out in front of you locked like giving an elbow and make a fist. Slap with palm of your other hand with reasonable force your fist, forearm and then the elbow. Which slap hurts your hand more?

 

Edited June 26, 2017 by america de cali

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Ok my theory that we are living in some weird alternate universe is gaining traction. Consider the evidence

• We, Melbourne, are seriously considered a flag threat and are the hardest team to play against bar none
• Watts kicking match winning goals, on the run, against the Pies, at the G and on Queens Birthday to effectively finish Collingwood's season.
• Tom McDonald was the form forward of the entire competition this weekend. 
• But the biggest clue that perhaps the earth has flipped on its axis is that Clayton Oliver is apparently considered soft. The gutsiest, contested ball-winning freak, the toughest teenager in Australia, the 19 year old who the West Coast coach chose to tag from the opening bounce over Jack Viney has had his courage called into question. Bizarre!

The good news is that the weirder this season gets the more chance that jumper number 13 will be holding up cup number 13 in a few short months and that will be a whole new conversation.

[frankie_d 1,467]

I wonder how the Club is dealing with this internally. I'd love to be a fly on the wall if Todd Viney and PJ discuss this.

 

[Jaded No More 67,644]

Having a go at Oliver is one thing, having a go at our medical staff is another.

Questioning the credibility of medical professionals, the same professionals who diagnosed Hogan's cancer early, is disgusting.

I don't know if the club will say anything, as sometimes rising above is the best answer, but really this is not OK. To blame a doctor for lying in a medical report is actually grounds for losing your medical license, so that's an abhorrent thing to do to someone who's sole purpose is to look after the welfare of our players. 

[PaulRB 6,297]

I hope the club has moved on and is paying any of this zero attention.

We've bigger fish to fry this Friday.

[brendan 3,430]

I hope the club calls these pricks out, you can't question the integrity of the doctors I would absolutely be looking at my options if I was the club doctor 

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Copuchas said:

I think what we're seeing is as a result of the emphasis the MRP now places on consequence instead of the action. If you go back to the round 2 incidents, there is no way that the Hogan and Lewis incidents warranted two weeks, it was purely the medical reports that sunk them. Clearly a medical report for any of these types of incidents has a continuum of potential slants that a Club Doctor can ethically put his name to. The fact that so much emphasis is placed on it by the MRP (rather than the action) has resulted in the medical reports having undue bearing on the outcome. It only needed for one club to exploit that and an arms race was going to ensue. I think that's what we're seeing and I've no doubt the MFC was sufficiently livid after the round 2 outcomes that it resolved firmly there and then for any medical report to be "comprehensive" in nature. Unless and until the competition moves to independent medical assessments by an AFL appointed doctor or the MRP focus returns to the action, it will continue unabated.

I think this is in line with Burke's admission that they try to move heaven and earth to find a player Not Guilty ( Unless he plays for the Demons.)

[nutbean 8,838]

Putting to one side the whole victim blaming the one thing that I still don't get is the notion that by viewing the connection made to Oliver's chin you can make judgement on what the subsequent affect has to be.

You see innocuous hits in all manner of sports that have completely different end result that initial viewing of the hit may have suggested. On the flip side - you see players completely poleaxed and then get up like nothing happened.

(I recall yelling at my TV for Neymar to get up and stop sooking after he copped a slight knee in the back to find out later he had a fractured vertebrae)

 

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

12 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Talking Footy... talking SHlT

The real news in this thread is that someone's found a way around the autocensor. Well done BB. I assume it's three upper case and one lower case letter.

Apologies if I've missed the original genius who identified this strategy. 

 

[beelzebub 23,198]

1 hour ago, binman said:

I normally don't advocate for the club to come out and make statements about controversial issues but in this case i do wonder if a statement calling out [censored] like taylor, grant and carey for labeling our player a soft cheat and our doctors liars. Barely one word of  condemnation for schofield.

No wonder players dont trust the media. Why would they? It is full of ex players who judge everything through the lens of rheir tough guy faded glory. From a time when men were men. And tbe pathetic double standard of then talking about mental healrh is truly pathetic.

And for god sakes carey has some gall questioning someones morals

Ducks and drakes as it were.

Amazing how short some's memories are 

@Nasher I do concur that possibly the testimony of doctors subsequent to events might help curb their incidence but can we have fully impartial ones ?

Not that i don't trust Carlton.... actually....i dont trust Carlton...any part of it !!

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Re Thomas' comments on the MFC Doctors.  Where was he when Jesse Hogan went on the basis of a Carlton's Doctor's report on Sam Rowe, which indicated he had concussion, as a result of the 'blow', continued to play out the game and played the following week?  Total hypocrisy in my view.

[Little Richard 6,215]

4 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Re Thomas' comments on the MFC Doctors.  Where was he when Jesse Hogan went on the basis of a Carlton's Doctor's report on Sam Rowe, which indicated he had concussion, as a result of the 'blow', continued to play out the game and played the following week?  Total hypocrisy in my view.

Hypocrisy is the name of the game for these guys. They simply try and out do each other.

[Willmoy1947 3,967]

To the Media/ Football Community....make a comment about a Doctor's opinion on an AFL clash/assault , then later, much later, find out who that Doctor happens to know, and happens to associate with on a friendly basis. And they do because they usually trust "each other"...

Consequence: not very smart, not very healthy and definitely not very personally or financially stimulating !! 

[daisycutter 29,336]

1 hour ago, brendan said:

I hope the club calls these pricks out, you can't question the integrity of the doctors I would absolutely be looking at my options if I was the club doctor 

given it was grant thomas who really gaf. ignore and move on. focus 100% on job ahead. let them hate and us win

Edited June 27, 2017 by daisycutter

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

3 hours ago, binman said:

I normally don't advocate for the club to come out and make statements about controversial issues but in this case i do wonder if a statement calling out [censored] like taylor, grant and carey for labeling our player a soft cheat and our doctors liars. Barely one word of  condemnation for schofield.

No wonder players dont trust the media. Why would they? It is full of ex players who judge everything through the lens of rheir tough guy faded glory. From a time when men were men. And tbe pathetic double standard of then talking about mental healrh is truly pathetic.

And for god sakes carey has some gall questioning someones morals

This.