Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[daisycutter 28,527]

7 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

And those same fans will be screaming for 2 top 5 picks for Lever.

give them cake, i say

[Red and Bluebeard 2,033]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

give them cake, i say

Is he an outside midfielder?

[Nasher 33,047]

I tell you what, if I was running the Adelaide Crows right now, I'd be raising some serious concerns over the competence of my general manager of footy.

• Lever informs club of his intention to go, and nominates Melbourne.  Birdman Burton meets with Melbourne.  Melbourne opens negotiations in good faith, offerings its first and second draft picks - currently the best currency it has
• Burton has the option of negotiating. No, Melbourne, we need two first round draft picks.  It doesn't have to be 10, you can use that in other trades to get us our two.  We would consider a 2018 first rounder as one if you can net one, or use your own.  Get on the hunt and we'll talk...
• Instead, Burton just walks out without comment. Negotiations stall as a result.  Neither club now have any idea what other avenues to start exploring.  Lots of time leading up to trade week to go to waste as a result.
• Burton then stands in front of the media and carries on like a butthurt fan.  It's all about the money, he says.  Message to current Adelaide players: "don't come to us to try and get more money.  And if you do and we try to screw you over, don't even think about leaving or we will besmirch your name to the best of our ability."
• Burton says, "we'll negotiate with the 9 other Victorian clubs as well, to get the best deal." For Christ sake Brett, no you won't.  Lever wants to go to Melbourne.  If you don't negotiate with Melbourne, Lever will walk and you'll get f*** all in return.  Once you start being pricks about it, Lever will get to the point where he'll happily risk going to Brisbane or North just to p*** you off.  Don't reckon Melbourne fans or administration wouldn't even blame him.  You've got a good starting point for a deal on the table, but you'd prefer to risk it all, and do untold reputational damage to your own club, just to look good in front of your fans.

Typical ex-footy player promoted well above his skill level.  I'm so happy Josh Mahoney has grown in to the role that he has.  I'd hate to see a hot-headed oaf in charge like they've got.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Nasher
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[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Is it too early to start the Welcome to the Melbourne Football Club Jake Lever thread?

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

2 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Jade Rawlings, Nick Stevens, Luke Ball (.... almost)

Lever can say he wants Melbourne all he likes, until the point that it breaks down and he heads to the draft. If it falls through and he goes to the draft, other clubs only have to match his asking price. Nth Melbourne and the Saints would be able to easily cover Levers asking price. Saints don't need his type, so might be fine, but Nth need to plug a huge number of holes everywhere on their list. Collingwood would not be too far off getting him and have a pick too and a need for his type as well.

Going to the draft is a very big risk for Lever and the MFC and Adelaide get nothing. Doesn't work for any party!

If Adelaide don't deal and won't budge on 2 first round picks, I'd rather take our chances with him going to the draft. In that case, I'd be fine if we missed out on him and used our picks this year and next on some pace rather than cave and give them two first rounders. We already had a pretty much nothing draft last year (Hannan, Dion Johnstone & upgraded Wagner) two years in a row of nothing drafts and 3 years in a row with no 1st round picks is not ideal.

[MurDoc516 1,304]

I'm confused about the whole going to the draft thing. Can't Lever just say no to any team that drafts him? Basically what Luke Ball did and end up at us? 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

2 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

I'm confused about the whole going to the draft thing. Can't Lever just say no to any team that drafts him? Basically what Luke Ball did and end up at us? 

That's draft tampering - the only thing he can do is put a price on his head that he'll hope will turn other clubs off but as noted North and Saints have picks before ours and seemingly cap space to burn.

[MurDoc516 1,304]

I'm assuming if it got to that we would do a million dollar deal for 1 year and then sign him down to a 3 year 750k a year deal aftr that?

[71 Molloy 266]

12 hours ago, Xavierrodway said:

Brett Burton seems a right bellend. 

If he runs the FD like he ran Brisbane’s conditioning program Adelaide are in for a world of hurt.

Edited October 4, 2017 by 71 Molloy

[chook fowler 18,231]

Looks like we're pizzing other Clubs off. About time.

[Nasher 33,047]

31 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I tell you what, if I was running the Adelaide Crows right now, I'd be raising some serious concerns over the competence of my general manager of footy.

• Lever informs club of his intention to go, and nominates Melbourne.  Birdman Burton meets with Melbourne.  Melbourne opens negotiations in good faith, offerings its first and second draft picks - currently the best currency it has
• Burton has the option of negotiating. No, Melbourne, we need two first round draft picks.  It doesn't have to be 10, you can use that in other trades to get us our two.  We would consider a 2018 first rounder as one if you can net one, or use your own.  Get on the hunt and we'll talk...
• Instead, Burton just walks out without comment. Negotiations stall as a result.  Neither club now have any idea what other avenues to start exploring.  Lots of time leading up to trade week to go to waste as a result.
• Burton then stands in front of the media and carries on like a butthurt fan.  It's all about the money, he says.  Message to current Adelaide players: "don't come to us to try and get more money.  And if you do and we try to screw you over, don't even think about leaving or we will besmirch your name to the best of our ability."
• Burton says, "we'll negotiate with the 9 other Victorian clubs as well, to get the best deal." For Christ sake Brett, no you won't.  Lever wants to go to Melbourne.  If you don't negotiate with Melbourne, Lever will walk and you'll get f*** all in return.  Once you start being pricks about it, Lever will get to the point where he'll happily risk going to Brisbane or North just to p*** you off.  Don't reckon Melbourne fans or administration wouldn't even blame him.  You've got a good starting point for a deal on the table, but you'd prefer to risk it all, and do untold reputational damage to your own club, just to look good in front of your fans.

Typical ex-footy player promoted well above his skill level.  I'm so happy Josh Mahoney has grown in to the role that he has.  I'd hate to see a hot-headed oaf in charge like they've got.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in Birdman's negotiations with the 9 clubs though.

Burton: Jake Lever's coming to Vic.  What are you offering?
Other manager: Jog on idiot, we've been talking to his manager all year and we know he ain't coming here. Stop wasting our time.

[grazman 6,445]

Won't get to the point of Leaver going to the draft. Both clubs are actually pretty close now in terms of what they want and what's being offered.  The passage of time will bring them closer tohether

 The irony of the situation is the comparison with Scotty Thompson. We drated him with pock 16 and thtee years later when he was homesick we got pick 12, which many of us thought eas unders considering where his talent was taking him. Adelaide used pick 14 for lLeaver, but three years later no way is pick 10 on its own enough.

[grazman 6,445]

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I would love to be a fly on the wall in Birdman's negotiations with the 9 clubs though.

Burton: Jake Lever's coming to Vic.  What are you offering?
Other manager: Jog on idiot, we've been talking to his manager all year and we know he ain't coming here. Stop wasting our time.

Its all just empty posturing. I doubt its for oppo clubs, more for the nuphy supporters. The same ones that demand line in the sand coaches statements and plan Bs.

Edited October 4, 2017 by grazman

[DemonLad5 1,640]

Mahoney actually said this morning that pick 10 and a FUTURE 2nd round pick was what he thought was more than fair for Lever.

[samcantstandya 919]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

And he said top ten draft picks should stay 4 years minimum, to avert the Lever drama.

Lever was pick 14 Derwayne.

He is a goose.

[Nasher 33,047]

2 minutes ago, grazman said:

Its all just empty posturing. I doubt its for oppo clubs, more for the nuphy supporters. The same ones that demand line in the sand coaches statements and plan Bs.

But surely for every fan who swallows that horse crap, there's another standing there going "whaaaaaaaa?"  Maybe I'm just naive but I don't see what's wrong with just getting the job done without all the BS.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Adelaide are making themselves not only look like absolute fools, but proving Lever to be correct - if this is how they deal with stuff at their club, then I'd want to get out of there as well.  Not to mention Tex apparently getting stuck into him for leaving as well.  How old is Tex? 5?

The deal will get done in the end, no doubt about it.  I reckon Mahoney spoke well this morning and it sounded like we will be sticking to our guns and not budging on the deal.

[Ouch! 2,034]

37 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

I'm assuming if it got to that we would do a million dollar deal for 1 year and then sign him down to a 3 year 750k a year deal aftr that?

Just remember Nth had an offer in front of Kelly and Martin rumoured to be 1mil-1.2mil over 5+ years.  

[Pennant St Dee 11,276]

3 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Jade Rawlings, Nick Stevens, Luke Ball (.... almost)

Lever can say he wants Melbourne all he likes, until the point that it breaks down and he heads to the draft. If it falls through and he goes to the draft, other clubs only have to match his asking price. Nth Melbourne and the Saints would be able to easily cover Levers asking price. Saints don't need his type, so might be fine, but Nth need to plug a huge number of holes everywhere on their list. Collingwood would not be too far off getting him and have a pick too and a need for his type as well.

Going to the draft is a very big risk for Lever and the MFC and Adelaide get nothing. Doesn't work for any party!

Disagree Port never really gained anything from the Stevens stance and Rawlings had a handful of decent games at the Dogs. Clubs have evolved and have come to realise there's no point having a player who doesn't want play for you.

I very much doubt North would waste pick 3 on a player who will want out after year 1 when there's talent available.

We've already made the decision we wont use pick 10 so if we very much front end load Levers contract we can take him with pick 10 or another 1st rounder we may trade up to with a player exchanged with 10.

We would keep pick 27 with this scenario and despite all there tough talk the Crows will be fully aware of this and IMO Lever and his manager would have reiterated this point and that will be why there's bad blood

[beelzebub 22,225]

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Adelaide are making themselves not only look like absolute fools, but proving Lever to be correct - if this is how they deal with stuff at their club, then I'd want to get out of there as well.  Not to mention Tex apparently getting stuck into him for leaving as well.  How old is Tex? 5?

The deal will get done in the end, no doubt about it.  I reckon Mahoney spoke well this morning and it sounded like we will be sticking to our guns and not budging on the deal.

Tex showed with his ' conciliatory and gracious ' speech in defeat just what a top bloke he is. 

Burton by comparison, to well, anything 'reasonable' is just a boofhead. 

I dont mind Adelaide the city. Football....

[daisycutter 28,527]

1 hour ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Is he an outside midfielder?

nah, more a depth, utility type. just filler

[Engorged Onion 9,272]

10 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Tex showed with his ' conciliatory and gracious ' speech in defeat just what a top bloke he is. 

Burton by comparison, to well, anything 'reasonable' is just a boofhead. 

I dont mind Adelaide the city. Football....

My exact thoughts at the time... 

[DemonOX 8,530]

All this bs from the cows in regards to money is off the mark. 

If my memory serves me correctly this mornings Mahoney interview he said something like our offer WAS NOT the highest offer on the table but Lever choose us cause of our list and the direction we r heading. 

Thr cows are cut and sooking it up cause they got spanked in the gf and didn’t give a yelp.

Suffer in ur jocks. 

[Red and Bluebeard 2,033]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

nah, more a depth, utility type. just filler

So we would still need some icing ...

[DemonOX 8,530]

13 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Tex showed with his ' conciliatory and gracious ' speech in defeat just what a top bloke he is. 

Burton by comparison, to well, anything 'reasonable' is just a boofhead. 

I dont mind Adelaide the city. Football....

And tex is prob one if the more articulate players at Adelaide!! Ha ha ha how sad is that.