Clayton Oliver caught drink driving

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Should have got at least one week.

I'd normally agree, but he has also lost his license and been fined by police.  Add in the sanctions from the club and I think it's pretty spot on.

His fitness levels, however, are more a cause for concern.  I don't think he's come back in a professional manner, but there is time on his side.  Hopefully all of this is the kick up the backside he needs.

[Sir Why You Little 34,615]

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Doesn't really bother me what he was on. If someone crashes in to my car and injures property or worse a person then I don't care if they are drunk or drugged. Both should be treated basically the same in my opinion.

Yep, AFL players are young and have cash to splash. That said, plenty of uni students, apprentice tradies or factory workers at the same age have done the same thing.

Sure young kids do lots of crazy stuff, i know i did it as well in my time. 

What worries me today is the drugs are so much harder and you have no idea where they come from. 

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

11 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I'd normally agree, but he has also lost his license and been fined by police.  Add in the sanctions from the club and I think it's pretty spot on.

His fitness levels, however, are more a cause for concern.  I don't think he's come back in a professional manner, but there is time on his side.  Hopefully all of this is the kick up the backside he needs.

And you are basing that observation on what? As you don't read my posts, I 'll get somebody else to tell you, he has had health issues, which required him to have a couple of days off, he has acquired asthma/hay fever now on medication, today he was doing high speed 400 around the oval after he had participated in some of the drills, his fitness now is fine

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Details on club website. Seems a fair punishment. I like that it puts the onus on Clarry to go out and sort things for himself, although knowing AFL players the manager will do it for him!

The most interesting bit is that they left a fair clip towards young Clarry in the penultimate paragraph.

"Oliver, who averaged 19.2 disposals per game in his first season, has had a slow start to this pre-season and has been training with the rehab group as he looks to return his fitness levels to an acceptable standard"

That says it all, really.  Got plenty of faith in the kid, but he needs to lift his standards a little.

[picket fence 15,304]

Christ, he was at the very low end of the scale, many on here are carrying on like he was a totally blind and out of control! Chist give Clarry a break! Im sure he's learnt his lesson! 

[Biffen 12,348]

I blame Picket Fence for pumping up Clarrys tyres.

Never give a redhead praise or credit.

Look at that imbecile Lingy.

Also-I've blown a lot higher than that and did my sentence.

My parents generation would drink drive, smoking a cig ,with kids in the car,no seat belts etc.

Anyone who cares to put themselves forward as a magistrate and suggest tougher sentences for dui is at best an unrealistic prude and at worst a wowser.

It should be .08 for adults as it is in the "outside" world.

Victoria is o heavily policed in the wrong areas already.

[SaberFang 7,141]

23 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

"Oliver, who averaged 19.2 disposals per game in his first season, has had a slow start to this pre-season and has been training with the rehab group as he looks to return his fitness levels to an acceptable standard"

That says it all, really.  Got plenty of faith in the kid, but he needs to lift his standards a little.

 

Yep, disappointing to hear young Clarry came back out of shape and with poor fitness. He needs to be better than that if he wants to prolong his career.

 

The club including that line in their own press release is definitely an intentional clip to Clarry from the coaches -- lift your game.

Edited December 7, 2016 by SaberFang

[rjay 23,932]

1 hour ago, SaberFang said:

 

Yep, disappointing to hear young Clarry came back out of shape and with poor fitness. He needs to be better than that if he wants to prolong his career.

 

The club including that line in their own press release is definitely an intentional clip to Clarry from the coaches -- lift your game.

Now 'Fang', I don't think the coaches need a press release to give him a clip.

I wouldn't be surprised if Goody was a little annoyed at this being tagged on to the release.

[Pates 9,537]

Hopefully this pre-season will be one he learns from and realises what's required of him as an AFL footballer. 

As for his punishment,  I heard somewhere that he couldn't be suspended due to an AFLPA clause. But I would've liked the club to say he will return through the VFL in round one as a punishment, I'd rate the actions from the club as fairly soft. 

But im also not in the know so I'll back the club's decision and direction. Onwards and upwards now. 

[old dee 22,930]

The wet tram ticket has been applied to devastating effect.

[daisycutter 28,612]

18 minutes ago, old dee said:

The wet tram ticket has been applied to devastating effect.

hardly, od. it's about right (at least in so far as we know the details)

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,468]

I'm still none the wiser on the details. Did he blow above zero but below 0.05%, which is an offence for a P-plater but is not driving drunk? Or was he over 0.05%? While the law is clear for a P-Plater, I think the penalty imposed by the club should reflect the specific situation. So, if he was driving with a blood alcohol level above zero but below 0.05%, the penalty seems about right. If he was over 0.05%, then I suspect the penalty should have been tougher.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

I'm over this thread, don't know what Oliver blew and don't really care.

If my life was on the line I'd prefer a drunk Oliver, Simon Black, Travis Johnstone or anyone else with proven elite level split second decision making over some obese tom, dick or harry with no reflexes that is sober.

But everyone has to obey the law and Oliver hasn't in this circumstance so let him cop his punishment and let's get on with it.

 

 

 

[chook fowler 18,327]

Bring back the Stocks and the rattan I say.

[beelzebub 22,230]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

The wet tram ticket has been applied to devastating effect.

I disagree..An appropriate course has been taken Id suggest.

This will admonish him whilst allowing him to understand and be illuminated.

Hopefully he learns

Correct call MFC

[old dee 22,930]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

hardly, od. it's about right (at least in so far as we know the details)

It is still a wet tram ticket dc.

 

[old dee 22,930]

48 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I disagree..An appropriate course has been taken Id suggest.

This will admonish him whilst allowing him to understand and be illuminated.

Hopefully he learns

Correct call MFC

As I saiid to dc that does not alter the fact that it is still a wet tram ticket bb.

I wet tram ticket may we'll have been the appropriate penality.

[beelzebub 22,230]

20 minutes ago, old dee said:

As I saiid to dc that does not alter the fact that it is still a wet tram ticket bb.

I wet tram ticket may we'll have been the appropriate penality.

How is it a wet tram ticket...His indiscretion had nothing to do with footy or  such. 

it wasnt  for them IMHO  to come down like a ton of bricks in a football punishment scenario

He gets dealt with by the law, dealt with by the leadership group and club..All seems as it should be.

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

How is it a wet tram ticket...His indiscretion had nothing to do with footy or  such. 

it wasnt  for them IMHO  to come down like a ton of bricks in a football punishment scenario

He gets dealt with by the law, dealt with by the leadership group and club..All seems as it should be.

I agree with you, dealt with.

Some wanted more, even the spurious claim he came back unfit rose again

[monoccular 16,208]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

It is still a wet tram ticket dc.

 

They are a bit difficult to find these days, and a wet Myki can be as harsh as a dry one - could, I guess even sting a bit more. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,177]

19 hours ago, Biffen said:

I blame Picket Fence for pumping up Clarrys tyres.

Never give a redhead praise or credit.

Look at that imbecile Lingy.

Also-I've blown a lot higher than that and did my sentence.

My parents generation would drink drive, smoking a cig ,with kids in the car,no seat belts etc.

Anyone who cares to put themselves forward as a magistrate and suggest tougher sentences for dui is at best an unrealistic prude and at worst a wowser.

It should be .08 for adults as it is in the "outside" world.

Victoria is o heavily policed in the wrong areas already.

 

Victorian road toll 1970 - 1061(population 3.4 million)

Victorian road toll 2015 - 252 (population 5.8 million)

I'm pretty happy with the changes.

 

 

[old dee 22,930]

8 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

 

Victorian road toll 1970 - 1061(population 3.4 million)

Victorian road toll 2015 - 252 (population 5.8 million)

I'm pretty happy with the changes.

 

 

So am I TPF39 however the increase in the safety of cars over that 45 year period has also made a big difference.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

29 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

 

Victorian road toll 1970 - 1061(population 3.4 million)

Victorian road toll 2015 - 252 (population 5.8 million)

I'm pretty happy with the changes.

 

 

Seat belt legislation had much more influence on this than alcohol.

[Biffen 12,348]

10 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Seat belt legislation had much more influence on this than alcohol.

Roads are better, cars are better, brakes, tyres, steering and signage as well as seat belts, airbags and the fact that cars are now many times lighter than they were.

The fact the we now have an enforceable limit also helps but it is too low and the penalties are high at the very low end of the scale.

Im not advocating that the 70's were better times just that societal reform and govt risk aversion has made it a very different world.

For full DL holders I think we should have a limit of .08 like most of Europe and the US.

We do get babied here in Victoria- the policing state- meanwhile there is an ice epidemic and car jacking has taken off as a suburban past time but the courts are full of  people on low range DD offences and pot charges.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,177]

22 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Seat belt legislation had much more influence on this than alcohol.

I was responding to a post that used seat-belt legislation as an example of the good old days before nanny-stating laws were introduced.