MATCH PREVIEW AND TEAM SELECTION - Round 23

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1 hour ago, Mickey said:

I'm disappointed ANB doesn't get a good run in the ones. Played out of position and with Oliver out you think there would be more opportunity in the guts

Even For the little impact he had, it's still ridiculous. He ain't no small fwd, play him in a role he can fulfil. 

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1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Because people like you come on in consistently clammering for the big-hitters at Casey to get games.

Yeah Roosy rings me up personally for my opinion...

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2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

don't understand your point, picket. could you be a little more definitive?

HE SEES BALL, GETS BALL AND DISPOSES WELL! 

Which is better than half of the team selected this week!

[Mickey 4,659]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

don't understand your point, picket. could you be a little more definitive?

Think he's disappointed with Clarry Choo Choo's omission...

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1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Because people like you come on in consistently clammering for the big-hitters at Casey to get games.

Match committee sit around reviewing the "who comes in thread", collate the concensus and bang selection is done each week? Odd one but ok..

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21 minutes ago, picket fence said:

NUP not buying this rationale! gets the footy exactly what we need this week v cats! If I were him i would be Verrry peased OFF!

I'm sure he actually has a level head in his shoulders, in fact I'm sure he has. Lucky for us. 

Makes no difference to this week or his career, f maybe he is tired and sore after a long FIRST season in AFL.

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Don't mind the ins at all, but it doesn't matter much now really.  Just hope the boys have a real dip this weekend in readiness for 2017.

On Oliver - he is either gaining VFL eligibility for finals or he didn't play his role properly last weekend.  24 touches sounds good on paper, but if he's not doing the team thing defensively and running both ways then I'm not surprised he got dropped.

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1 hour ago, Je Roos Salem said:

In: Garlett, Salem, Harmes

Out: Michie, Neal-Bullen, Oliver

Weid stays, Oliver is gone for some reason

Weids stays after last week? Common MFC we all know he isn't ready yet. The bear surely should have gotten a call up for this one to give us a show, just as he should have last week (no hindsight either from my end, was calling last week's selections a debacle before the match).

A second consecutive week where some weird and wacky choices go down at the MFC selection table. Been doing this to ourselves since i started following  (Northey years maybe an exception).

And why are we bringing in a seemingly underdone player in Salem for his first game back?? And why risk him with a potential injury stepping up to AFL level in the last game of the year which counts for nothing? Mothballs for mine given where he is coming from this season. Just let him be and get a full pre-season in FCS. From the VFL review.....

Salem - was probably another one that had an interrupted preparation due to a bit of illness during the week. Christian certainly provides you with some really composed ball use when he has the ball in hand and he continues to work really hard around the stoppages and his craft. He continues to build and he’s certainly on the right track back from having a decent lay-off.

As i forecast in last weeks selections, what the hell did we play Weid, ANB and Michie for last week? There was nothing to gain and it ended up being the recipe for last week's loss.....

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On 8/20/2016 at 9:15 AM, Samael said:

So dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. 

Not at all, just don't play them at this point so late in a season with such a (potentially) critical match looming against the Cats.

Ben Ken & Grimes have at least shown they can perform at AFL level albeit not stellar performers. Although having said that Grimes first up game was completely off the charts stats wise. Flopped a little the week after along with most others..out lol. Michie & ANB are too big a risk at this point and do nicely at VFL level but that's where their limitations lie right at this moment (ANB a potential AFL option next year if he can take it to another level).

If they underwhelm and need changing out for the Cats match you have then also not given Grimes/ Ben Ken (if Jeffy doesn't get up for the Cats) a chance to adjust to the step up to AFL level. They'll be coming in cold. Not that the FD would ever pick Grimes I realise. By selecting Michie over Grimes (the worst selection table choice for quite some time IMO) Roos/Goodwin/ FD have obviously signed his papers.

Grimes is easily our best "AFL ready" option at VFL level right at this moment who has proven he can play a role consistently vs others of a similar ilk playing at Casey. Next year might be different but we don't have "next year". We have two matches and need to win both of them very convincingly on the scoreboard to have a chance of playing finals (assuming the other games fall our way obviously).

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56 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

He's just being managed.

Oliver "managed" with one game to go ? 

Sure. 

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1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Worst decision in years Clarry has a dip !! Sheeit I just can't fathom this! Speechless!!

Haha - the evidence in this thread would suggest otherwise

 

I thought The Weed would be eased back to the lower level but it seems Roos is coaching for the future right to the very last

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Saddened Dawes wasn't selected.

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In Roos I trust. To the end

There will be a reason for the decisions made

This time last year ...Watts was dropped. 

That turned out alright

 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,817]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Weids stays after last week? Common MFC we all know he isn't ready yet. The bear surely should have gotten a call up for this one to give us a show, just as he should have last week (no hindsight either from my end, was calling last week's selections a debacle before the match).

A second consecutive week where some weird and wacky choices go down at the MFC selection table. Been doing this to ourselves since i started following  (Northey years maybe an exception).

And why are we bringing in a seemingly underdone player in Salem for his first game back?? And why risk him with a potential injury stepping up to AFL level in the last game of the year which counts for nothing? Mothballs for mine given where he is coming from this season. Just let him be and get a full pre-season in FCS. From the VFL review.....

Salem - was probably another one that had an interrupted preparation due to a bit of illness during the week. Christian certainly provides you with some really composed ball use when he has the ball in hand and he continues to work really hard around the stoppages and his craft. He continues to build and he’s certainly on the right track back from having a decent lay-off.

As i forecast in last weeks selections, what the hell did we play Weid, ANB and Michie for last week? There was nothing to gain and it ended up being the recipe for last week's loss.....

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Not at all, just don't play them at this point so late in a season with such a (potentially) critical match looming against the Cats.

Ben Ken & Grimes have at least shown they can perform at AFL level albeit not stellar performers. Although having said that Grimes first up game was completely off the charts stats wise. Flopped a little the week after along with most others..out lol. Michie & ANB are too big a risk at this point and do nicely at VFL level but that's where their limitations lie right at this moment (ANB a potential AFL option next year if he can take it to another level).

If they underwhelm and need changing out for the Cats match you have then also not given Grimes/ Ben Ken (if Jeffy doesn't get up for the Cats) a chance to adjust to the step up to AFL level. They'll be coming in cold. Not that the FD would ever pick Grimes I realise. By selecting Michie over Grimes (the worst selection table choice for quite some time IMO) Roos/Goodwin/ FD have obviously signed his papers.

Grimes is easily our best "AFL ready" option at VFL level right at this moment who has proven he can play a role consistently vs others of a similar ilk playing at Casey. Next year might be different but we don't have "next year". We have two matches and need to win both of them very convincingly on the scoreboard to have a chance of playing finals (assuming the other games fall our way obviously).

Agree with you on pretty much all counts Rusty.  I'm sure it wouldn't be a popular call with many of the punters on this forum, but I actually think M Jones is on a par with Grimes by your assessment criteria.  Jones is a bit of s different style of player from Jack, but in my view still has a bit of a dip, knows how to find the ball at AFL level and has an impact.  Matty often gets slagged off for poor disposal and decision making, bit I actually don't think he is that bad in those areas.

Totally bemuses me why Mitchie who hasn't ever produced anything near the performance of Grimes at AFL level, yet has been given first preference over Jack all year.  How many players would put in a 30+ disposal game with good defensive and contested effort (which Roos supposedly highly values) and gets dropped one game afterwards.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

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1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Weids stays after last week? Common MFC we all know he isn't ready yet.

Perhaps, but:

a) Dawes seems to be injured (again), didn't play at Casey last week and not named this week

b) Pedersen has been specifically mentioned in terms of "not being able to finish off his work and hit the scoreboard" in the Casey reports.

Don't mind it. Reminds me a bit of the O McDonald scenario, and we can see how that's working out. If playing Weideman for these couple of games advances the time when he'll be our first-call FF, then all for it. If Dawes, Hulett or Pedersen had been knocking the door down, perhaps another story.

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20 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Perhaps, but:

b) Pedersen has been specifically mentioned in terms of "not being able to finish off his work and hit the scoreboard" in the Casey reports.

Don't mind it. Reminds me a bit of the O McDonald scenario, and we can see how that's working out. If playing Weideman for these couple of games advances the time when he'll be our first-call FF, then all for it.

I thought this was a garbage statement in the clubs summary and more so for it to be repeated again.  So Pedo had had the yips for one or two games and didn't slot what he should have - so what.  He's still a good option and a proven goal kicker/match winner.  His performances early in the season before he got injured were excellent an showed what he can bring to the side and his game against Hawthorn and to some extent Port showed me he is back to that form.  If missing a couple of goals is the difference between playing AFL and VFL, then why is Hogan playing this week?

But otherwise don't mind getting some more experience into a kid with potential in Weid as you say.  I also agreed at the time that Oscar was holding his own and worth playing in the scheme of things, although it's easier for a young player to find their way playing defense than it is in attack.

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I agree with the comparison you make in the way Oscar and the Weed have been handled Bingers.

Little Mac was bagged to the max initially and same same for Weeds at present.

Give him game time this week which is effectively a dead rubber for us.

 

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2 hours ago, CP5 said:

Oliver "managed" with one game to go ? 

Sure. 

Would you prefer the word 'dropped' because that's the way the club put it. He might have trained poorly, he might have done something wrong in his preparation - but he ain't playing and it's clearly designed to make him a better player. Which I'd define as 'management'.

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1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Perhaps, but:

a) Dawes seems to be injured (again), didn't play at Casey last week and not named this week

b) Pedersen has been specifically mentioned in terms of "not being able to finish off his work and hit the scoreboard" in the Casey reports.

Don't mind it. Reminds me a bit of the O McDonald scenario, and we can see how that's working out. If playing Weideman for these couple of games advances the time when he'll be our first-call FF, then all for it. If Dawes, Hulett or Pedersen had been knocking the door down, perhaps another story.

The Club will say anything to suit it's "youth" bias policy Bing at the expense of the more experienced out of favour players that appear to have been marked as expendable or NQRs going forward.

If this were the case then Hogan would have been out weeks ago to work on his wayward kicking method and Watts this week. Our forward line has been ineffective since the Port match. The omission of the Bear last week in favour of Weids was a huge error. He doesn't just take shots on goal, he plays a variety of roles and can play them reasonably effectively and for most of the four quarters as well. He at least has a tank to do so, tackles hard, leads hard and hits packs hard bringing ball to ground which some on here use as their Hogan defence as to why he continues to get a guernsey each week.

If this update from Roosy was anything to go by before the Carlton match....(if close to the truth which may of course have been unlikely... but not like Weids was a powerhouse forward returning from a short spell!)....

"Sam Weideman was injured last week so we’ll see whether he comes up as well.”

And this.....

“[There hasn’t] been a lot of training but more meetings and making sure that the players understand what the expectations are, what the learnings are from last week’s game and how we need to attack this week.”

Maybe we played as we trained last week.....which, according to the report (if close to the truth or somewhere near it), wasn't much at all.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Rusty Nails

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Within reason, I actually don't mind so much who gets picked this week, given that the prize which was potentially there, is no longer.  I do hope that whoever is picked gives it a red hot crack.  I could handle an honorable loss in the present circumstances, particularly with some promising signs and development from individual players and the team in general.

However I really honestly do hope we don't put in an insipid performance and get thrashed.  That would be a huge setback within the context of the good progress which has been made overall.

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8 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Within reason, I actually don't mind so much who gets picked this week, given that the prize which was potentially there, is no longer.  I do hope that whoever is picked gives it a red hot crack.  I could handle an honorable loss in the present circumstances, particularly with some promising signs and development from individual players and the team in general.

However I really honestly do hope we don't put in an insipid performance and get thrashed.  That would be a huge setback within the context of the good progress which has been made overall.

Balls this club is not in a position to roll the die. Every club is only one or two horrid decisions away from seeing things go awry as we know all too well at this place. We can hardly afford to go 'all in' on youth every match in the hope it will some day pay off. Last thing we can afford is more thrashings.

We should be picking the best, most experienced side every single week (injuries/form allowing) in order to give ourselves the best chance of winning and also to avoid a severe bashing. Our willingness to roll the youth die every single week, if we keep doing so (including at the trade table), is eventually going to come back to bite us if we have a few ugly weeks with outs (injuries/tribunal/illness).

Footy is a brutal game. We must stay brutal and never accept mediocrity!

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8 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Balls this club is not in a position to roll the die. Every club is only one or two horrid decisions away from seeing things go awry as we know all too well at this place. We can hardly afford to go 'all in' on youth every match in the hope it will some day pay off. Last thing we can afford is more thrashings.

We should be picking the best, most experienced side every single week (injuries/form allowing) in order to give ourselves the best chance of winning and also to avoid a severe bashing. Our willingness to roll the youth die every single week, if we keep doing so (including at the trade table), is eventually going to come back to bite us if we have a few ugly weeks with outs (injuries/tribunal/illness).

Footy is a brutal game. We must stay brutal and never accept mediocrity!

Yep, I know where you are coming from.  I guess my statement somewhat reflected a personal emotional apathy towards this game after the disaster of last week and the horrible selection decisions which were made prior to that game.

That said, I actually think that by in large, the 'youth' selected in the team this year have been up to it.  Was very impressed about the way Wagner went about his game from his second game onwards (until he got tired), Oscar was holding his own somewhat even early on because at that time Dunn and Garland's form wasn't so great either.  I thought Frost looked the goods from early in the year (it wasn't his fault he was being played out of position), Billy has been worthy of his position in the side for the most part, Harmes is harder than many of the players five years his senior and Hunt, Track, Clary, Gus all goes without saying.

I would agree that Weid is probably still a bit too lean for my liking and would probably prefer to see Pedo in there as well, but per the Hawthorn game, Weid is not incapable of providing a valuable contribution.  I don't quite know how the coaches should deal with ANB, I think he has potential, but just doesn't look quite ready/up to it when they have brought him in this year.

I don't think we should be as quick as some suggest to dispose of Dunn, Garland, Pedo or even Dawes though.  As you suggest, we are only a long term injury away to Tommy Mac, or Hogan from needing a sound, mature backup.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

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Pedo should be playing in my opinion Gives us a contest and tackles in the forward 50  We had no forwardline defence last week

Wiederman next year for me  also Matty Jones has more than earned a recall

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9 hours ago, Every Game "64 said:

I agree with the comparison you make in the way Oscar and the Weed have been handled Bingers.

Little Mac was bagged to the max initially and same same for Weeds at present.

Give him game time this week which is effectively a dead rubber for us.

 

EXCUSE ME!!! There is only one Bingers .... and that's me!!!

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Clayton Oliver playing this VFL game now means he is officially eligible for VFL finals.

A smart decision by the football club and one Oliver would agree wholeheartedly.

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Seems to me that it's Garlett for ANB; Harmes for Michie; and Salem to allow Vince to play in the midfield in place of Oliver. Salem then becomes one of the four small defenders - the model we've played all year.

All seems very logical. Vince plays his best football on the wing or on the ball. I fully expect him to spend most of the day on Dangerfield.

What I don't understand is why Michie came in for Harmes in the first place. Maybe because of the wet weather last weekend?