The Jesse Hogan Panic Room - all contract talk here

[hardtack 10,434]

Just now, Moonshadow said:

It's been mentioned a number of times and rightly deleted. 

Fair enough, I obviously missed those posts...but were they fact or fiction?  You would have to think that if there was any real substance to them, that the press would have been making mention of this when discussing Hogan's future.

[Moonshadow 17,577]

Just now, hardtack said:

Fair enough, I obviously missed those posts...but were they fact or fiction?  You would have to think that if there was any real substance to them, that the press would have been making mention of this when discussing Hogan's future.

perhaps there has been an agreement to keep it quiet. Don't know.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Weeks not months.

[Robbie57 2,003]

11 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Weeks not months.

Terrible News. I hope the club is leaving him alone other than to offer personal support.

As i said above perhaps we can put the keyboards down for now.

[mo64 5,607]

1 hour ago, Abe said:

How does Nat Fyfe feel about all this? can't imagine him being keen on coming to the MFC 

I'm not disputing GNF's statement about Hogans Snr's health, but his assertion that Fyfe comes into play is ludicrous. One minute he is saying that Hogan wants to put negotiations on hold, which is fine. But does anyone seriously think that Fyfe is happy to make a decision on his future based on a contingency plan of another player? Fyfe becomes a FA next year and can walk to wherever he likes.

Edited September 14, 2016 by mo64

[SaberFang 7,151]

54 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

If this experience makes him change his mind and brings the "go home" factor into play, at least we will be well compensated, most probably with Fyfe.  Fyfe is a free agent next year. Fyfe has indicated he will entertain offers. Freo is much better off getting Hogan for him this year who is worth two first round picks rather than one first round pick (compensation) next year.  There have been discussions between the clubs.

Interesting choice of words, considering your emphatic statement a few days back was, "the trade will be Fyfe."

You're not giving the club much credit if you think we'd trade out a generational superstar for a player a) under a serious injury cloud for over a season that is b) a free agent next year who would cost us nothing. Why would Fremantle's draft considerations be even the remotest consideration for us? If Hogan leaves, we will bleed the buying club dry of picks just as Adelaide did when Dangerfield left. Did you see Adelaide asking for Geelong's 2016 free agents as part of the Dangerfield deal?

If the MFC had the choice between:

• Freo's Pick 3 2016 (Hogan trade)
• Freo's Pick ~5 2017 (Hogan trade)
• Fyfe for free as FA in 2017

or:

• Fyfe via trade (straight swap for Hogan)
• A swap of second rounders

... no sane list management team would choose option 2.

[Ted Lasso 18,913]

2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I'm not disputing GNF's statement about Hogans Snr's health, but his assertion that Fyfe comes into play is ludicrous. One minute he is saying that Hogan wants to put all hold, which is fine. But does anyone seriously think that Fyfe is happy to make a decision on his future based on a contingency plan of another player? Fyfe becomes a FA next year and can walk to wherever he likes.

I'm not interested in getting into your issues with GNF's posting, i enjoy his posts, if others don't that's fine. 

the way he worded it made it sound to me as though if that eventuates Fyfe would be on board with moving.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Saber: I am just passing on what I have been told.  You can dismiss it or accept it, personally I don't care.

[SaberFang 7,151]

8 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Saber: I am just passing on what I have been told.  You can dismiss it or accept it, personally I don't care.

I have no doubt it's just what you're being told, but if it's the same source who also told you we would land Josh Kennedy, Patrick Dangerfield and Dion Prestia in the last 3 years, I can confidently say your source is having a lend.

All I'm pointing out is that your source's information makes no logical sense. Even if Fyfe were interested in coming to us, we would not trade Hogan for him a year out from FA status (especially when we have no first rounder this year, and Freo have pick 3).

Edited September 14, 2016 by SaberFang

[deelete my account 1,194]

11 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

 

• Freo's Pick 3 2016 (Hogan trade)
• Freo's Pick ~5 2017 (Hogan trade)
• Fyfe for free as FA in 2017

We better not trade for Freo's future 2017 first round pick as they could shoot back up the ladder and play finals and then you're looking at pick 12-18

Edited September 14, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[Ted Lasso 18,913]

2 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

I have no doubt it's just what you're being told, but if it's the same source who also told you we would land Josh Kennedy, Patrick Dangerfield and Dion Prestia in the last 3 years, I can confidently say your source is having a lend.

we definitely chased Prestia and Dangerfield, a trade not coming together doesn't mean we didn't try, or the club wasn't confident. we were VERY confident we'd get Prestia until the godfather offer from the Tigers.

[SaberFang 7,151]

1 minute ago, DominatrixTyson said:

We better not trade for Freo's future 2017 first round pick as they could shoot back up the ladder and play finals and then you're looking at pick 12-18

Even if the whole scenario unfolded like that, I'm pretty confident Fremantle will be stuck at the bottom for another year at least. They'll lose Sandilands, Pavlich is gone, who knows what'll happen with McCarthy, Fyfe's injury still has a question mark, and they don't have much youth to carry them up the ladder.

[mo64 5,607]

1 minute ago, Abe said:

we definitely chased Prestia and Dangerfield, a trade not coming together doesn't mean we didn't try, or the club wasn't confident. we were VERY confident we'd get Prestia until the godfather offer from the Tigers.

Dangerfield was never interested in any other club than Geelong. We may have asked questions of his availability, but so would have 8 other clubs. As for Prestia, GNF was definitive that it was GC or Melbourne. I've said it before. GNF's source is clearly a MFC fanboy.

[dazzledavey36 53,321]

11 minutes ago, Abe said:

we definitely chased Prestia and Dangerfield, a trade not coming together doesn't mean we didn't try, or the club wasn't confident. we were VERY confident we'd get Prestia until the godfather offer from the Tigers.

We went cold on Prestia Abe. It had nothing to do with the offer with Richmond. After Prestia went turned us down last year Goodwin had his eyes set on Oliver straight away as that inside bull hence why Goodwin came up with the recruitment team to Mooroopna to interview Oliver and get more of a background check to ensure he was the right player for pick 4.

Il put any money now Goodwin wouldn't be fussed on not chasing Prestia this year after the impressive first year from Oliver.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Prestia preferred homes was always the Dees. He was coming here until Richmond offered ridiculous coin that we were not prepared to match. If he nominates the Dees he will still come to Melbourne be it on a significantly smaller contract. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,417]

1 minute ago, Grand New Flag said:

Prestia preferred homes was always the Dees. He was coming here until Richmond offered ridiculous coin that we were not prepared to match. If he nominates the Dees he will still come to Melbourne be it on a significantly smaller contract. 

This is getting sad.

[Willmoy1947 3,983]

1 hour ago, Grand New Flag said:

Hogans old man is critically ill. Do you all not think this has something to do with his below average last month and at times poor body language???? 

Nothing is going to happen with his contract while Jesse is going through this terrible experience. He is contracted for another year, has told the club he will stay a Dee, but all negotiations have been put on hold while Jesse concentrates on his family and father.  

If this experience makes him change his mind and brings the "go home" factor into play, at least we will be well compensated, most probably with Fyfe.  Fyfe is a free agent next year. Fyfe has indicated he will entertain offers. Freo is much better off getting Hogan for him this year who is worth two first round picks rather than one first round pick (compensation) next year.  There have been discussions between the clubs.

In saying that it is most likely that Hogan has not signed a new contract or asked to be traded by trade week.  If this is the case it does not mean he is leaving at the end of next season.  Simply he is concentrating on bigger issues at this time.

It is highly likely he will re-sign as a Dee.  All good management plans for the unexpected. The club has full expectation that he will stay.

Based on that information and in the belief of this common sense approach, i am not going to post or waste time on this thread until further believable information, in my opinion, is available

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If Hogan was traded for #3 and __, Would we consider using 3# on Prestia and screw over Richmond? (is he worth that?) 

Edited September 14, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[Ted Lasso 18,913]

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We went cold on Prestia Abe. It had nothing to do with the offer with Richmond. After Prestia went turned us down last year Goodwin had his eyes set on Oliver straight away as that inside bull hence why Goodwin came up with the recruitment team to Mooroopna to interview Oliver and get more of a background check to ensure he was the right player for pick 4.

Il put any money now Goodwin wouldn't be fussed on not chasing Prestia this year after the impressive first year from Oliver.

My info is different and from a source i very much trust but it's not really relevant because Prestia will be a Tiger.

Very happy to have Oliver, really think he could be the best of our young midfielders

 

[markc 975]

1 hour ago, Grand New Flag said:

Hogans old man is critically ill. Do you all not think this has something to do with his below average last month and at times poor body language???? 

Nothing is going to happen with his contract while Jesse is going through this terrible experience. He is contracted for another year, has told the club he will stay a Dee, but all negotiations have been put on hold while Jesse concentrates on his family and father.  

If this experience makes him change his mind and brings the "go home" factor into play, at least we will be well compensated, most probably with Fyfe.  Fyfe is a free agent next year. Fyfe has indicated he will entertain offers. Freo is much better off getting Hogan for him this year who is worth two first round picks rather than one first round pick (compensation) next year.  There have been discussions between the clubs.

In saying that it is most likely that Hogan has not signed a new contract or asked to be traded by trade week.  If this is the case it does not mean he is leaving at the end of next season.  Simply he is concentrating on bigger issues at this time.

It is highly likely he will re-sign as a Dee.  All good management plans for the unexpected. The club has full expectation that he will stay.

 

Anyone who has or is living with a Family member who is terminal Ill can understand this 

I take each day as it comes , I don't make plans  far in advance , for myself and my kids , our time with my wife ( their mother) is especially special to us , 

I couldn't imagine living states apart and having this happen. 

Time to give the Kid ago , think about how you would feel watching , hearing , seeing someone so close , being that ILL 

My wife tells us to go out , to enjoy ourselves, to be a family , as I am sure his dad would tell him to follow his dreams , play AFL, these things put a smile on my wife's face

for her to see us happy, makes her happy . I am not saying everyone is the same. but you need to understand how they and he could feel.

hoping my words will help some people understand what he COULD be going through , sometimes things are greater than our club.

As one of his sponsors I want him to stay but can understand otherwise, football would be one of the last things on his mind at the moment 

 

mark

 

ps on a side note iI thank Demonland for being here, its keeps me busy 

 

 

 

[DemonOX 8,733]

15 minutes ago, markc said:

 

Anyone who has or is living with a Family member who is terminal Ill can understand this 

I take each day as it comes , I don't make plans  far in advance , for myself and my kids , our time with my wife ( their mother) is especially special to us , 

I couldn't imagine living states apart and having this happen. 

Time to give the Kid ago , think about how you would feel watching , hearing , seeing someone so close , being that ILL 

My wife tells us to go out , to enjoy ourselves, to be a family , as I am sure his dad would tell him to follow his dreams , play AFL, these things put a smile on my wife's face

for her to see us happy, makes her happy . I am not saying everyone is the same. but you need to understand how they and he could feel.

hoping my words will help some people understand what he COULD be going through , sometimes things are greater than our club.

As one of his sponsors I want him to stay but can understand otherwise, football would be one of the last things on his mind at the moment 

 

mark

 

ps on a side note iI thank Demonland for being here, its keeps me busy 

 

 

 

Mark  I'm sure I speak for all who read and converse on demonland when I say our thoughts, prayers and best wishes are with u and ur family. 

[binman 42,145]

1 hour ago, SaberFang said:

I have no doubt it's just what you're being told, but if it's the same source who also told you we would land Josh Kennedy, Patrick Dangerfield and Dion Prestia in the last 3 years, I can confidently say your source is having a lend.

All I'm pointing out is that your source's information makes no logical sense. Even if Fyfe were interested in coming to us, we would not trade Hogan for him a year out from FA status (especially when we have no first rounder this year, and Freo have pick 3).

I 100% disagree. If Hogan needs to go back to WA this year the dees would jump at Fyfe if that was an option and i for one would be well pleased with that deal. Fyfe is exactly what we lack - a true A grade mid fielder (note Viney will become one and i suspect Oliver will also and perhaps also Brayshaw).

Yes he is coming of serious injury but Fyfe is as good as Dangerfield. As if we wouldn't take him. The FA stuff is a furphy as one there is no guarantee that he would come to us and two if we lose hogan we would want Fyfe in next years team helping us make finals. 

All that aside i really hope Hogan stays.

Edited September 14, 2016 by binman

[faultydet 7,594]

5 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Mark  I'm sure I speak for all who read and converse on demonland when I say our thoughts, prayers and best wishes are with u and ur family. 

You certainly speak for me.

All the best Markc

[Pennant St Dee 12,807]

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

This seems to be news that no-one here has any knowledge of, so how do you think people would be taking that into account? 

I have done some googling and the only reference I could find in relation to Jesse's father being ill, was from May this year and just happened to be from the poster Third Man Up on page 105 of the "The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan" thread here on Demonland.  Perhaps you might care to point us to where we could verify that bit of info... it would certainly go a long way towards assuaging the fears of numerous posters in this thread.

Take it from me it is on the money I wont go into personal details But I have been aware of it for some time.  I had some posts regarding it removed from the thread.

[Redleg 40,380]

26 minutes ago, markc said:

 

Anyone who has or is living with a Family member who is terminal Ill can understand this 

I take each day as it comes , I don't make plans  far in advance , for myself and my kids , our time with my wife ( their mother) is especially special to us , 

I couldn't imagine living states apart and having this happen. 

Time to give the Kid ago , think about how you would feel watching , hearing , seeing someone so close , being that ILL 

My wife tells us to go out , to enjoy ourselves, to be a family , as I am sure his dad would tell him to follow his dreams , play AFL, these things put a smile on my wife's face

for her to see us happy, makes her happy . I am not saying everyone is the same. but you need to understand how they and he could feel.

hoping my words will help some people understand what he COULD be going through , sometimes things are greater than our club.

As one of his sponsors I want him to stay but can understand otherwise, football would be one of the last things on his mind at the moment 

 

mark

 

ps on a side note iI thank Demonland for being here, its keeps me busy 

 

 

 

Sorry to hear this, wish you and your family all the best.

There is more to life than footy  and no one would no that more than you.