THE BOMBERS' SWISS ADVENTURE

[Chris 2,892]

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Tracy Homes

Micheal Warner

Mark Robinson

 

I guess they probably do deserve a mention on top of just being part of the incompetent media, they are especially incompetent

[beelzebub 22,271]

Am having 5 mins to self at a Wed reception. Great convo with 2 filth supporters ( both rellos lol ) one understands the cas DeNovo thing ( strangely an ex AFL player !!) The other caught up in criminal law analogies not grasping CAS at all. Fascinating

Must go red wine calling

Just thought I'd share. How others perceive this is quite fascinating

[Wells 11 4,846]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Am having 5 mins to self at a Wed reception. Great convo with 2 filth supporters ( both rellos lol ) one understands the cas DeNovo thing ( strangely an ex AFL player !!) The other caught up in criminal law analogies not grasping CAS at all. Fascinating

Must go red wine calling

Just thought I'd share. How others perceive this is quite fascinating

Id be fascinated to hear. My info on the matter is really only from 2 sources. The  press ( which is not really information) and this forum. So a glimpse into other worlds would be appreciated.

 

[Earl Hood 5,807]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Am having 5 mins to self at a Wed reception. Great convo with 2 filth supporters ( both rellos lol ) one understands the cas DeNovo thing ( strangely an ex AFL player !!) The other caught up in criminal law analogies not grasping CAS at all. Fascinating

Must go red wine calling

Just thought I'd share. How others perceive this is quite fascinating

I am flummoxed. Have I stumbled onto some code for a take over of the state? 

[Lucifers Hero 37,280]

An interesting article on the appeal - whether players should have taken their case to Australian courts instead of Swiss courts.  Appeals to home country courts by other athletes appear to have done that with some success

Essendon appeal will be lengthy: WADA president

It seems the 34 are in for a long wait: 

'The WADA President, Sir Craig Reedie, said:  "I understand that the Essendon players are heading to the Swiss Tribunal, which is the ultimate appeal process, and they are entitled to do that...It'll take quite a long time, he warned.' 

Realistically, as if the Swiss Fed Court cares two hoots that Paul Marsh and co want their case heard asap!  They will have to wait their turn.  Of course, Marsh will bleat on about delays being unfair etc but he is yet to learn of the big fish/small pond place the AFL swims in.  He might also learn some finesse if he is going to deal with Europeans - he will find a very different culture where subtlety is a constant subtext.  (Btw did anyone else pick up that all documents associated with this case so far, need to be translated to French.  You would think that alone will take many months!)

The bottom line: "I think in all honesty to be fair to the athletes in anti-doping we try to protect the clean athletes..."  (Reedie).   So many in AFL land have lost sight of that. 

[ManDee 7,092]

Jobe Watson admitted taking AOD9604 on TV. Did he lie when asked by ASADA if he was taking any supplements?

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Je ne comprend pas le francaise !!!! Sacre bleu !!!! 

Luckily James got a bit of practice with the French tongue whilst on his French sojourn. He can help the players out. 

[nutbean 8,837]

On 8 February 2016 at 10:32 AM, binman said:

 

 'Forget the legal experts, they know bugger all. They may have worked a few hundred hours on the project. I have worked for over 10,000 hours on it. You know I have torn apart the CAS verdict and WADA and ASADA but you haven’t the guts to say so.

Mr Francis, I don't want to be too pedantic but you claim you have worked over 10,000 hours on this case. I have factored in that you have a life outside this issue sooo.... at 40 hours per week working on this  equals 250 weeks. I have estimated that you work 48 weeks in the year.

By my very dodgy math you started working on this issue one year before Essendon even started their supplement program. Well done sir...well done.  

[jnrmac 19,267]

11 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Id be fascinated to hear. My info on the matter is really only from 2 sources. The  press ( which is not really information) and this forum. So a glimpse into other worlds would be appreciated.

 

What? Filth supporters?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,488]

1 hour ago, pineapple dee said:

Je ne comprend pas le francaise !!!! Sacre bleu !!!! 

Luckily James got a bit of practice with the French tongue whilst on his French sojourn. He can help the players out. 

Longue vie Hird! Such a noble character. Perhaps this was his plan all along.

[daisycutter 28,663]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

An interesting article on the appeal - whether players should have taken their case to Australian courts instead of Swiss courts.  Appeals to home country courts by other athletes appear to have done that with some success

Essendon appeal will be lengthy: WADA president

It seems the 34 are in for a long wait: 

'The WADA President, Sir Craig Reedie, said:  "I understand that the Essendon players are heading to the Swiss Tribunal, which is the ultimate appeal process, and they are entitled to do that...It'll take quite a long time, he warned.' 

Realistically, as if the Swiss Fed Court cares two hoots that Paul Marsh and co want their case heard asap!  They will have to wait their turn.  Of course, Marsh will bleat on about delays being unfair etc but he is yet to learn of the big fish/small pond place the AFL swims in.  He might also learn some finesse if he is going to deal with Europeans - he will find a very different culture where subtlety is a constant subtext.  (Btw did anyone else pick up that all documents associated with this case so far, need to be translated to French.  You would think that alone will take many months!)

The bottom line: "I think in all honesty to be fair to the athletes in anti-doping we try to protect the clean athletes..."  (Reedie).   So many in AFL land have lost sight of that. 

why french luci? they said the appeal would be held using german.

[Chris 2,892]

Another Journo to add to the list of journos with no real understanding of what is going on.

The penalty imposed on Essendon is crap

It would be funny if it wasn't so blatantly wrong and apologetic. 

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

12 hours ago, Chris said:

Another Journo to add to the list of journos with no real understanding of what is going on.

The penalty imposed on Essendon is crap

It would be funny if it wasn't so blatantly wrong and apologetic. 

Wow. Gives Slobbo a run for his money.

How does this crap even get published?

[beelzebub 22,271]

15 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

why french luci? they said the appeal would be held using german.

Where ?

Appeal is in French 

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

9 hours ago, Chris said:

Another Journo to add to the list of journos with no real understanding of what is going on.

The penalty imposed on Essendon is crap

It would be funny if it wasn't so blatantly wrong and apologetic. 

She is as stupid as she is ugly.

[beelzebub 22,271]

9 hours ago, Chris said:

Another Journo to add to the list of journos with no real understanding of what is going on.

The penalty imposed on Essendon is crap

It would be funny if it wasn't so blatantly wrong and apologetic. 

Rather liked the comment from 'Hannibal' lol

Maybe she's shared a sherbert or ten with Slobbo

Such a nonsense article.Nothing unexpected thoughis it. The propaganda machine trundles on ( that cliff must be mighty close now )

[Ethan Tremblay 28,488]

Margaret Wenham is not an Essendon supporter. - Just an imbecile.

[daisycutter 28,663]

16 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Where ?

Appeal is in French 

i read it somewhere in the last week that they had decided on german, but after a quick google search all i can now find is that it could be in german or french (both being official swiss languages). i'll keep looking

[John Dee 439]

My son, daughter-in-law and grandson live in Basel, which is in the German speaking part of Switzerland. What language will be used is very much dependent on where the case is to be held. It won't trouble the Swiss at all whether it is in French, German, Italian or English, and they are quite willing to chose the most inconvenient one available.

[Lucifers Hero 37,280]

11 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i read it somewhere in the last week that they had decided on german, but after a quick google search all i can now find is that it could be in german or french (both being official swiss languages). i'll keep looking

DC, I found this from the AFL:

The Essendon 34 appeal: Frequently asked questions

Extract: 

Is the case really going to be conducted in French?

Oui. Yes. We're waiting for official confirmation of procedures from the Swiss court, but from what we've been told all the documentation so far has had to be translated into French.

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

12 hours ago, Chris said:

Another Journo to add to the list of journos with no real understanding of what is going on.

The penalty imposed on Essendon is crap

It would be funny if it wasn't so blatantly wrong and apologetic. 

Margaret Wenham is not an Essendon supporter

Correct. She is a cynical purveyor of clickbait. Ad revenue forecasts must be down at News Ltd.

[ManDee 7,092]

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Margaret Wenham is not an Essendon supporter. - Just an imbecile.

Where do they get these imbeciles?

One after another goes off half cocked, espousing their fantasy worlds, I suspect very few have read all the available documentation.

Margaret Wenham " The CAS finding also arose from it accepting WADA’s evidentiary “cable”, with that cable comprising “strands” of evidence. But, as far as I can see, there is no irrefutable proof TB-4 was given to the players and no evidence the players thought or knew they may have been supplied with it".

How does she reconcile the fact that on many occasions the 34 lied to ASADA investigators saying that they took no supplements? There were thousands of injections and not one player thought to mention it!

Many sportsmen have been banned on intent. You don't need a positive test Margaret. The players new what they were doing was risky, that is why they lied. Are there any real journalists out there? 

I am sick to death of the fan boys/girls.

 

[sue 8,472]

It is not hard to think why so many so-called journos write so much crud on this subject.  Not only is the sycophantic relationship with the AFL a factor, but I think the click-bait (both internet and printed versions) is a strong reason. Every time one of these articles is written, EFC supporters lap it up along with the readership who think this is all a big conspiracy by some nasty foreigners.  They can read that sort of guff endlessly.    How many readers would they get if they just repeated the facts that show 'guilty as charged'?  Not nearly as many.  Not the sort of article that bears much repetition.

[ManDee 7,092]

These imbeciles are whingeing about a penalty handed down by the highest sporting court in the world. This is not an AFL tribunal judgment by the boys club this is CAS the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The prosecuting body was WADA the World Anti Doping Agency, this is not a backyard decision by the boys club. These are the biggest most serious organisations against doping in the world of sport. The players were found guilty.

A technicality does not make them innocent. 

I want journalists to stand up for the 750 players that have not been found guilty of cheating. I want journalists to decry the EFC for putting their players and all other players at risk through their damned supplement program. What about the innocent! What about the innocent? 

 

[old dee 22,966]

13 minutes ago, ManDee said:

These imbeciles are whingeing about a penalty handed down by the highest sporting court in the world. This is not an AFL tribunal judgment by the boys club this is CAS the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The prosecuting body was WADA the World Anti Doping Agency, this is not a backyard decision by the boys club. These are the biggest most serious organisations against doping in the world of sport. The players were found guilty.

A technicality does not make them innocent. 

I want journalists to stand up for the 750 players that have not been found guilty of cheating. I want journalists to decry the EFC for putting their players and all other players at risk through their damned supplement program. What about the innocent! What about the innocent? 

 

Now Mandee you know the answer to your last paragraph.

There have been a few journalists   who have run anti AFL stories but everyone of them is not beholding to the AFL for accreditation.

The rest ( Sports writers ) fall into two camps

- the sycophants who love the EFC e.g Robbo, Connelly  etc 

- the others keep their heads down so as not to offend the AFL.

For most of History the "Innocents" have not had a voice what makes you think this is any different?

But you know this already.