Worried and disgruntled about Roos' limited tenure

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I may have missed where on the board this conversation has been going on - but was anybody else a little surprised and disappointed at the news that Goodwin has been 'locked in' as the next coach?

I was pretty confident that all this talk of succession was just theatre - a way for Roos to leave a back door unlocked in case everything goes '[censored] up'

However, it would seem that the 3-year tenure was actually all on the level.

I don't understand it - why is Roos not like every other coach in the comp; looking to build a list and teach them a plan, to stay on board as long as they'll have him, to incrementally achieve successes until the ultimate one - and then try to back it up again and again.

Is he really just going to disappear if he has this mob in the top 8 at the end of 2015? What's this 'role' he is apparently going to stay in? Why doesn't he just remain senior coach if he is still going to be around?

I have had an uneasy feeling about this half-hearted commitment to the club since day one. So pre-season 2016 we are back to the drawing board are we?

Goodwin to me provides no more confidence than Bailey or Neeld. He is just another apprentice with no runs on the board.

Thoughts?

[Mousey 47]

Understand your worries but personally i am not worried one bit. 3 years is more than enough time to set up our future. The appointment of Goodwin with two years under Roos is more than enough time to be on the same page in terms of style, players etc.

More than happy with the strategy in place. I have no doubt Roos will be involved with the club in some capacity going forward which is good enough for me.

[What 18,810]

Roos has already said hed stay with the club beyond the 3 years in some capacity

[ILLDieADemon 804]

can we block this thread?

[PaulRB 6,425]

Its always been about the list.

Roos has another two years to get the list and culture right, and I have upmost confidence he will get it right.

When he leaves the Senior coach position we should be pushing into the eight, and I reckon Goodwin (with Roos in the background) will be ideal to continue this push.

Edited October 3, 2014 by PaulRB

[watchtheeyes 1,422]

I was never under the impression that Roos was ever staying belong his stated tenure and I am extremely comfortable with Goodwin taking over, Roos to godfather him.

Edited October 3, 2014 by watchtheeyes

[rjay 25,202]

I may have missed where on the board this conversation has been going on - but was anybody else a little surprised and disappointed at the news that Goodwin has been 'locked in' as the next coach?

I was pretty confident that all this talk of succession was just theatre - a way for Roos to leave a back door unlocked in case everything goes '[censored] up'

However, it would seem that the 3-year tenure was actually all on the level.

I don't understand it - why is Roos not like every other coach in the comp; looking to build a list and teach them a plan, to stay on board as long as they'll have him, to incrementally achieve successes until the ultimate one - and then try to back it up again and again.

Is he really just going to disappear if he has this mob in the top 8 at the end of 2015? What's this 'role' he is apparently going to stay in? Why doesn't he just remain senior coach if he is still going to be around?

I have had an uneasy feeling about this half-hearted commitment to the club since day one. So pre-season 2016 we are back to the drawing board are we?

Goodwin to me provides no more confidence than Bailey or Neeld. He is just another apprentice with no runs on the board.

Thoughts?

Not today....

[General Malaise 209]

Clearly C&B, some blind beliefs aren't supposed to come under scrutiny.

Namely:

1. In Roosy we trust

2. In P.J. we trust

I think both are doing a great job, but your question has been rattling around my skull all year, and I think it's a fair question whether it's asked today, or any other day.

After all, we are in an age of 100% or nothing.

[Grapeviney 9,881]

I may have missed where on the board this conversation has been going on - but was anybody else a little surprised and disappointed at the news that Goodwin has been 'locked in' as the next coach?

I was pretty confident that all this talk of succession was just theatre - a way for Roos to leave a back door unlocked in case everything goes '[censored] up'

However, it would seem that the 3-year tenure was actually all on the level.

I don't understand it - why is Roos not like every other coach in the comp; looking to build a list and teach them a plan, to stay on board as long as they'll have him, to incrementally achieve successes until the ultimate one - and then try to back it up again and again.

Is he really just going to disappear if he has this mob in the top 8 at the end of 2015? What's this 'role' he is apparently going to stay in? Why doesn't he just remain senior coach if he is still going to be around?

I have had an uneasy feeling about this half-hearted commitment to the club since day one. So pre-season 2016 we are back to the drawing board are we?

Goodwin to me provides no more confidence than Bailey or Neeld. He is just another apprentice with no runs on the board.

Thoughts?

I've started similar threads C + B and then consigned them to the dustbin for reasons I cannot adequately explain.

I guess part of it is that I'd rather Roos for 3 years than no Roos at all, and the limited tenure was basically the clause that got him over the line in the end.

It irks me that 17 other clubs all have the same goal, whether it's explicit or implicit, and that is to win the flag. Our mission is to be competitive, and, from there, for Roos and PJ to hand over to others to complete the journey.

My main worry is how it manifests in the minds of our players. Camaraderie and culture are cultivated when everyone's on the same page and working to the same outcome. What happens to a team when its leader has already signalled he'll be jumping off at the next station?

[pitchfork 181]

There is some awkwardness with the arrangement: a great coach comes in to restructure a team for success. But that's the arrangement and we have been deplorable for far too long to worry about these things.

Regardless of whether Roosy is involved post-2016, we'll have established a hell of a foundation and put Goodwin in a great position to have success.

Discussions about coaching are mostly ridiculous because we know so little. Coaching is a vocation, we have little insight into which of the assistants around the traps would make a good one, but we can trust that Roosy does.

Whether you speak well or not on television broadcasts tells nothing about coaching ability.

Even Norm Smith was a rookie coach once upon a time.

[bluey 1,118]

Happy with two years, I believe he is what we need now but his defensive style may be dated, his protégés Longmire and Lyon have been out coached recently with better sides.

He is no God, just a one time premiership coach who bailed on the Swans.

Maybe after three years a younger coach like Goodwin will be the answer.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

Couldn't be happier, Roos will stay onboard in some capacity.

Goodwin will have did time under both Bomber, Roos and then still have Roos to bounce ideas off.

[chook fowler 19,675]

It was always the deal and we have to respect it and be grateful for it. Roos seems likely to stay on in another capacity so his influence will continue.

Really like what I've heard from Goodwin so far and more than happy to trust Roos judgement.

It's great to have some stability and direction and once we move on from the Clark and Frawley defections lets just relax and enjoy the ride.

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Very impressed with Roos. Took his time evaluating players, works well with the administrators of the club, always measured and not afraid to point out the competition's anomalies as they impact the club he represents.

Plenty of good stuff to come.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

I'm pretty gruntled.

Roos gives every sense that he is putting every effort into what he is doing. He has a plan and the conviction to stick to it.

He considers every decision and every word. He has purpose. He also has a lot of credibility

I look forward to seeing where he takes us.

[TGR 1,367]

C & B, if you want quantity over quality, sign Brendan Bolton up for 10 years.

The MFC has only dented reputations. The guy should be paid double to mop up the mess of Neeld and Co.

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

We have to suck it up. Roos came to a basket case on his terms which I accept. I don't think any other experienced successful coach would have taken us on. And then we would have gone for another novice which is a lottery if he didn't come.

Edited October 3, 2014 by america de cali

[Yossarian 1,820]

I'm pretty gruntled.

Roos gives every sense that he is putting every effort into what he is doing. He has a plan and the conviction to stick to it.

He considers every decision and every word. He has purpose. He also has a lot of credibility

I look forward to seeing where he takes us.

Totally gruntled.

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

The most encouraging sign is the performances of the players he has already brought in and I include Jetta because he was delisted. If next seasons newbies are just as functional we will be heading in the right direction. Slowly but sure the likes of Frawley and those who insist on playing the old way will be gone or have to change their attitude if they want to stay.

[Juicebox 628]

All along roos has been true to his word. He will hand over the reigns with the club in a very stable position. He also hinted at the suggestion that he'll stay at the club in some way or another.

Don't be fooled by the seemingly failed succession plan at collingwood. Goodwin is hardly the egotistical [censored] that Buckley is.

[monoccular 17,607]

I may have missed where on the board this conversation has been going on - but was anybody else a little surprised and disappointed at the news that Goodwin has been 'locked in' as the next coach?

I was pretty confident that all this talk of succession was just theatre - a way for Roos to leave a back door unlocked in case everything goes '[censored] up'

However, it would seem that the 3-year tenure was actually all on the level.

I don't understand it - why is Roos not like every other coach in the comp; looking to build a list and teach them a plan, to stay on board as long as they'll have him, to incrementally achieve successes until the ultimate one - and then try to back it up again and again.

Is he really just going to disappear if he has this mob in the top 8 at the end of 2015? What's this 'role' he is apparently going to stay in? Why doesn't he just remain senior coach if he is still going to be around?

I have had an uneasy feeling about this half-hearted commitment to the club since day one. So pre-season 2016 we are back to the drawing board are we?

Goodwin to me provides no more confidence than Bailey or Neeld. He is just another apprentice with no runs on the board.

Thoughts?

Jeezzzzz

Some people are hard to please

He would not have come if the club had 'demanded' a longer contract and the we would have been left with as you put it "just another apprentice with no runs on the board", so Like other posters here I am delighted that he has come even if for only three years as head coach.

And I just cannot run with your suggestion that he is half hearted about his work - from what I have seen he is fully commitedto the immense task ahead, and is revelling in it (though apparently in only a half hearted way)!

I would love to be able to have Norm Smith back (prior to the club's heartless and unbelievably destructive backstabbing) but we can't always have what we want, and frankly I believe we are in the best possible hands.

[Sir Why You Little 37,241]

I like it.... 3 Years means change must happen...It's not a "give it 2 years and we will reassess...CHANGE MUST OCCUR each day throughout the club

The Right People must be head hunted and employed..to steer this old girl back to strength & power...

The last 8 years must be obliterated...

[Milesh 26]

You raise a decent point, Ash.

But if Miranda Kerr were to blow me for only a limited time, I'd be cool with that.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Roos has already said hed stay with the club beyond the 3 years in some capacity

which I have mentioned in the OP (helps to actually read it). I asked why not remain senior coach if he is still around.

[bing181 9,348]

After all, we are in an age of 100% or nothing.

Roos isn't giving 100%?

Great arrangement, when you look at the debacle of most of the coaching situations over the last few years in terms of getting coaches in - Us, Saints, Crows, Suns, Port (pre-Hinkley) - and compare that with the situation at the Swans, i know which I'd rather.