Planned MFC list rebuild

[jumbo returns 6,618]

This is not new stuff.

We get anxious and excited over a rebuild (which has been happening since 2000, tbh) and we marvel at the (potential) hard nosed approach that a new coach will take.

Can PR deliver? Will he cop heaps of backlash if he trades a Grimes? or a Watts? or a Trengove? or if he shoots Bambi?

Be careful what we wish for, D'landers.....I reckon the club is on its final roll of the dice....

[Optimus D 283]

I would be very surprised if we trade Kent. He has great speed and acceleration has kicked 9 goals in 11 games has been with us for 5 minutes. Believe thre is abig upside to Kent at MFC?

[Ted Lasso 17,308]

I really think Jack watts and pick 21 for the bulldogs pick 6 is win win for both sides

They need a forward target and they retain a good pick in a very even draft

[jacey 333]

Dean Kent is a great kick

For some reason pathetic kicking has spread like Eboila through our team over the seasons 2nd half

I think it may be to do with the players tiring in what is the the first season of a new gameplan that demands 2 way running

Kent is an interesting one.

He has tools to be a good player (quick, strong, tough, generally good kick, generally good hands) but as a MFC player, he can go the other way too.

Def keep but he needs a bigger tank and quality coaching (can do the good things really well but some of the simple things, he just doesn't put enough care cause it's a simple kick/handball)

[Moneider96 1,045]

I really think Jack watts and pick 21 for the bulldogs pick 6 is win win for both sides

They need a forward target and they retain a good pick in a very even draft

Picks 2,3,4,6.... Am i dreaming???

[old dee 23,255]

Picks 2,3,4,6.... Am i dreaming???

Yes

[Moneider96 1,045]

Yes

If the AFL were consistent with their rules...then it would be possible...

[P-man 13,309]

am I the son of Saty? Who the [censored] is Saty?

He's the cleaning lady.

[old dee 23,255]

That is a good theory except we kicked it out of bounds 4 times early in the 2nd quarter and otherwise butchered it as well.

And hit the post from directly in front

[DeeSpencer 23,636]

This is not new stuff.

We get anxious and excited over a rebuild (which has been happening since 2000, tbh) and we marvel at the (potential) hard nosed approach that a new coach will take.

Can PR deliver? Will he cop heaps of backlash if he trades a Grimes? or a Watts? or a Trengove? or if he shoots Bambi?

Be careful what we wish for, D'landers.....I reckon the club is on its final roll of the dice....

What exactly does supporter backlash at MFC look like?

I'd suggest Nath Jones is untradeable. Everyone else is surely on the table.

All we know at the moment is Roos' history at Sydney, where they have built a super list on the back off

- Not being overly concerned about high draft picks

- Trading both for big trades and little fish trades

- Trading out players who aren't performing - take former first round draft picks Veszpremi, Johnstone, Lamb (even if he went PSD to GWS) as an example

In fact Sydney may well have found the market for trading out guys who aren't performing but have value for guys who can perform or want to perform but don't have value if that makes any sense.

They take the guys like McGlynn, Kennedy, Mattner, Shaw, Derickx, Laidler who for whatever reasons can't find games at their original clubs but have the right attitude and trade out guys who have reputation and value based on draft pick status but aren't living up to it.

That said it's the culture of recruiting and developing that makes them good not just magical deals.

[jumbo returns 6,618]

What exactly does supporter backlash at MFC look like?

I'd suggest Nath Jones is untradeable. Everyone else is surely on the table.

All we know at the moment is Roos' history at Sydney, where they have built a super list on the back off

- Not being overly concerned about high draft picks

- Trading both for big trades and little fish trades

- Trading out players who aren't performing - take former first round draft picks Veszpremi, Johnstone, Lamb (even if he went PSD to GWS) as an example

In fact Sydney may well have found the market for trading out guys who aren't performing but have value for guys who can perform or want to perform but don't have value if that makes any sense.

They take the guys like McGlynn, Kennedy, Mattner, Shaw, Derickx, Laidler who for whatever reasons can't find games at their original clubs but have the right attitude and trade out guys who have reputation and value based on draft pick status but aren't living up to it.

That said it's the culture of recruiting and developing that makes them good not just magical deals.

Woewodin.

Bruce.

Martin.

Rivers.

Moloney.

Junior.

Green.

Pettard.

[beelzebub 22,703]

Roos IS moneyball.

He understands. Its a team thing.

Would be nice to have a TEAM.

[Mallee Bull 97]

Nathan Jones and Dom Tyson are the only untouchables for mine. The rest... If the price is right....

[Ted Lasso 17,308]

Jesse Hogan up for trade too then?

[dee-luded 2,958]

How often in a post do we hear the words "in a couple of years" "a couple more preseason" in another 50 games " etc

Now Im not having a go at those who utter them but they are what you say when you know bloody well the current situation is rubbish and you pin all hope on what 'might' be..Not even on what is LIKELY to be , just what maybe happen if all our cards fall right and planets line up etc

We need to passionlessly weigh up our situation and trade and draft for today... Get this team going yesterday. If we do'nt its just futile to even contemplate a tomorrow.

I'm sure the Club will be VERY careful about who goes and who comes. It'll be novel.

I wouldn't trust any other Coach to know what stinks, Re culture, & what doesn't... Roosy will know whats Off like the proverbial prawn in sunshine, & what is the real McCoy...

we have had generations of going for the fools gold & not for the real gears the grind out the miles.. this has left us as Downhill Skiers in a hard new AFL world where congestion rules the field & there is nowhere to run & hide.

We've become downhill skiers over near on 50 years, & this is where we keep stumbling, & why we cannot take the final hurdle even with highly skilled sides on the field.

We all lost so much that day in the 60's when the politically correct administrators of the time, Shot our Great leader out of a Jolimont Cannon... we've never been the same ever again.

.... we have to shed this politically correct snake skin that strangles us, & get fierce... get rid of any soft corner in our house, & start making it the hard way.

Edited August 21, 2014 by dee-luded

[Redleg 38,431]

Picks 2,3,4,6.... Am i dreaming???

Yes.

[gutrunner 8]

Apart from destroying the morale of the playing list, Watts, Grimes, Trengove and Toumpas along with Mckenzie and Evans are all under contract for next year, if we decided to trade any one of these players and they were unable to earn the same dollars at a new club, the MFC would have to pay the difference in each case for the ensuing year and this amount would also be included in the MFC salary cap.

I can assure this is not going to eventuate.

Some media person or past player ( who would have no idea of coaching or list management ) waffles off at the mouth just to gain a bit of attention and the sheep follow in droves.

If any one believes this will eventuate they have got sh*t for brains

[beelzebub 22,703]

Apart from destroying the morale of the playing list, Watts, Grimes, Trengove and Toumpas along with Mckenzie and Evans are all under contract for next year, if we decided to trade any one of these players and they were unable to earn the same dollars at a new club, the MFC would have to pay the difference in each case for the ensuing year and this amount would also be included in the MFC salary cap.

I can assure this is not going to eventuate.

Some media person or past player ( who would have no idea of coaching or list management ) waffles off at the mouth just to gain a bit of attention and the sheep follow in droves.

If any one believes this will eventuate they have got sh*t for brains

I wouldnt be sure of that , not for one moment. Things have to happen and they need to happen now. . If Watts moves the club will ensure it doesnt cost us , as to others...small bikkies to unclog a list. Commonly called the cost of progress.

[jnrmac 19,481]

I think we should do what we have always done. thats a sound strategy...

[rpfc 27,673]

I think we should do what we have always done. thats a sound strategy...

I think we should do what we did last year.

That was pretty sound...

[jnrmac 19,481]

Do you really think he might trade Tyson and Hogan?? Really?

What exactly does supporter backlash at MFC look like?

I'd suggest Nath Jones is untradeable. Everyone else is surely on the table.

[old dee 23,255]

I think we should do what we did last year.

That was pretty sound...

You have my vote

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Thanks for all the reply's. Interesting views that I thought worthy of debate.

For the record I don't believe that these player have been offered as trade bate. 1stly its too early, 2ndly this would have the danger of destroying (again) the soul of the club. However, I do believe there is probably some truth to the rumour in that I believe Roos is looking to recruit 5 mature players whilst securing as many top 20 picks as possible................ this is what any intelligent coach in his position would do.

I believe the reporter has taken a statistical guess on what Roos is aiming to do and then made up who was to be offered to make that happen. In other words I believe its a made up, beat up story.

In fact the more I think about it the more I am sure that there is no story here, I intend to get back to you all after I have heard word from inside the club.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Grand New Flag

[nutbean 8,837]

Thanks for all the reply's. Interesting views that I thought worthy of debate.

For the record I don't believe that these player have been offered as trade bate. 1stly its too early, 2ndly this would have the danger of destroying (again) the soul of the club. However, I do believe there is probably some truth to the rumour in that I believe Roos is looking to recruit 5 mature players whilst securing as many top 20 picks as possible................ this is what any intelligent coach in his position would do.

I believe the reporter has taken a statistical guess on what Roos is aiming to do and then made up who was to be offered to make that happen. In other words I believe its a made up, beat up story.

In fact the more I think about it the more I am sure that there is no story here, I intend to get back to you all after I have heard word from inside the club.

I hate the whole idea but I am a [censored] when it comes to trading out footballers - having said that - you keep doing the same thing you will keep getting the same result.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,086]

I overheard a comment that 'everyone is up for trade' but that it might be to 'shake them up'