Changes v Carlton - Round 4

[Maggot 1977 263]

Surely we cant give Postman Pat another go -- We should not accept his output from an AFL listed player. This is a player who through circumstance has been given the opportunity to grab an AFL forwards position by the scruff of the neck and say this is my dream and I will not let it go by at least tackling hard , chasing and showing some desperation.
6 Handballs , 2 kicks , 1 mark & 3 tackles in his last 2 games is the output we received ( That's an average midfielders 1/4 time stats)

Postman Pat has failed the litmus test and a delisting beckons.

An unfit Jamar resting in the forward 50 would offer me more hope than Postman Pat

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

Roos spoke at the weekend on SEN pre-game about games at Casey being about 'development' and shouldn't be confused with 'punishment for poor form' (not his words, by the way. Mine summarising what he said). That suggests to me that players may go up and down as part of their development. Whether that's because of fitness or to practise a particular aspect of their play, I don't know. But he's very keen on the promotion of the idea that Casey is about development.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

B: Grimes, McDonald, Pedersen

HB: Dunn, Georgiou, Nicholson

C: M.Jones, N.Jones, Vince

HF: Howe, Fitzpatrick, Bail

F: Kennedy-Harris, Frawley, Kent

Foll: Spencer, McKenzie

Rov: Tyson

I/C: Watts, Cross, Viney, Blease (sub)

EM: Clisby, Trengove, Barry

In: Nicholson, McKenzie, Blease

Out: Evans, Terlich, Byrnes

Nicholson - Garlett

McDonald - Henderson

Pedersen - Waite

Georgiou - Rowe

Dunn - Robinson

Grimes - Ellard

Bail - Simpson (tag)

McKenzie - Murphy (tag)

M.Jones - Yarran

[KingDingAling 3,737]

Keep Trengove in the VFL until he shows improvement.

Toumpas can stay there, get comfy Jimmy.

Grimes and Watts could do with a stint there.

If it were up to me, I'd leave all 4 there.

At least till they shown some form.

[SaberFang 7,151]

I think I know what Roos is trying to get at with Casey. Development against smaller bodies. A chance to get a W and not the endless L's playing at the MFC. A chance to hone their skills without being destroyed across the ground. We've thrown our draftees to the wolves and Roos is trying to correct this. I support the move fully.

Part of the reason the elite teams stay so successful is because their draftees are forced to spend a few years developing at VFL level before they go near the AFL. We throw them under the bus and look dumbfounded when they don't bring instant success at AFL level.

[Deemotivated 550]

And if we have injuries?

Terrible plan.

Its a better plan than Sam feckin blease taking his spot... Edited April 7, 2014 by Deemotivated

[nrc73 77]

Just can't bring myself to talk about a group of players who collectively put together very ordinary performances week after week ;P

[Wormburner 674]

NFI - 60% of our list sux

35% are injured or underdone.

The last 5% is Jones, Cross and Vince.

[Buffalo 203]

Fellow DL's, based on the last few seasons, I have a feeling we're just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic...ie. doing something pointless or insignificant that will soon be overtaken by events, or that contributes nothing to the solution of a current problem.

[praha 11,118]

NFI - 60% of our list sux

35% are injured or underdone.

The last 5% is Jones, Cross and Vince.

That's actually 7.5%

[Alcho Dee 269]

Jack Fitzpatrick.

Round 1 vs St Kilda (ES) 4 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle concussed subbed out at half time.

Round 2 vs West Coast (MCG) 4 disposals (4 handballs ) 0 marks 2 tackles subbed out?

Round 3vs GWS (SPO) 4 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle full game

Is there anyone who thinks he should be replaced by a player short or tall.

He is an example of why our club is such a basket case, Jack has had all pre season to prepare himself for the start of the season, and he puts out 12 disposals and 4 marks in 3 games.

If Paul Roos doesn't drop Fitz to Casey then I will be even more concerned about the situation the club is in.

[Grapeviney 9,499]

I would have loved to see him take that mark over Scully..

Fancy being out-bustled by an ant..

[deeflog 679]

OUTS- bail, byrnes, evans

INS- blease, clisby, toumpas

Lucky there is no one banging the door down- fitzy, terlich

[daisycutter 29,317]

Fancy being out-bustled by an ant..

you're surprised?

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,208]

I'd go as far as saying they stay there until they're too good to ignore, we should have players in the 1's that are desperate to hole their spot, not giving us reasons to drop them

Exactly, that's what I meant by made to understand. Players have been gifted games for years, some players still think this is the case.

[Grapeviney 9,499]

you're surprised?

No, not really.. I've seen enough limp-wristed, one-armed tackles, half-ar*ed chases and lack of urgency around the contest to know what to expect by now.

I guess I hoped / anticipated that Watts and others would - if nothing else - be willing to run through walls for Roos.

Instead, there's probably barely a dozen players who play with that desperation and intensity throughout the game. The rest seem as uninterested as ever.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Grapeviney

[Young Dee 1,303]

Jack Fitzpatrick.

Round 1 vs St Kilda (ES) 4 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle concussed subbed out at half time.

Round 2 vs West Coast (MCG) 4 disposals (4 handballs ) 0 marks 2 tackles subbed out?

Round 3vs GWS (SPO) 4 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle full game

Is there anyone who thinks he should be replaced by a player short or tall.

He is an example of why our club is such a basket case, Jack has had all pre season to prepare himself for the start of the season, and he puts out 12 disposals and 4 marks in 3 games.

If Paul Roos doesn't drop Fitz to Casey then I will be even more concerned about the situation the club is in.

Pretty sure it’s due to structure and not form - if he can just bring the ball to ground then he is giving other forwards a chance (instead of always being outnumbered/muscled).

We all know he can provide more than he has and as mentioned - concussion and rain do not help.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Young Dee

[DeeSpencer 24,706]

Jack Fitzpatrick.

Round 1 vs St Kilda (ES) 4 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle concussed subbed out at half time.

Round 2 vs West Coast (MCG) 4 disposals (4 handballs ) 0 marks 2 tackles subbed out?

Round 3vs GWS (SPO) 4 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle full game

Is there anyone who thinks he should be replaced by a player short or tall.

He is an example of why our club is such a basket case, Jack has had all pre season to prepare himself for the start of the season, and he puts out 12 disposals and 4 marks in 3 games.

If Paul Roos doesn't drop Fitz to Casey then I will be even more concerned about the situation the club is in.

I believe Fitzy went a lot closer to quarter time in round 1 and then in round 2 he didn't last too long in to the third quarter. In fairness to him he played 1 overall game in the first 2 weeks. Then last week it was pouring with rain. The GWS version of him (Giles) had plenty more hit outs but had all of 8 touches and no scores despite playing on Pedersen.

I don't expect much from him but it's almost to the stage with replacements that he may as well stay in. He takes the second ruck job and therefore gives Spencer a chop out and a tall defender stands him letting the other forwards - Frawley and Dunn possibly getting smaller defenders.

I would be tempted to bring in another small (there are no other talls) but if we bring in guys like Clisby, McKenzle and Blease who else do you bring in? Nicholson? A reprieve to either Toumpas, Trengove or Michie before they've earned it?

I'd monitor him at training and if he's training hard and looking more competent in basic skills then I'd probably give him another shot. He does have some talent and it would be nice to get his season on track now rather than having him back in the VFL and no second ruck/forward option.

With Pedersen down back the question would be what to do with the second ruck spot anyway if it's not Fitzpatrick. Personally I'd go back to a Neil Craig tactic and try Watts in the ruck for 5 minutes a quarter

[Flemo56 396]

Changes? Change the effing lot.

B. Steam'n Demon, Biffen, WYL.

HB. Stuie, BBO, TSFKAs

C. Django, Redlegs, SteveTMJordan.

HF. Cudi420, JumboR, Nasher.

F. BobbyMc, WhisperingJack, Old Dee

R. Deespicable, JVineyFan.

R. Maggot77 (of course)

INT. 45HG, Steam'nDemon, IvaWarneSmith.

Sub. Gorgoroth.

If ya not picked, tuff luck, I didn't even give myself a game....

Sorry but I'm at a point were I can only laugh at our lot, Im way past all the crap my beloved Dee's have dished up SINCE '64', an interstate member I remain an will continue ta b until "WHATEVER"..........

[Maggot 1977 263]

Ha ha now hats what i'm talking about !!

[Alcho Dee 269]

At least we won't have to watch Betts kick 5 goals playing on Garland this year...!

[Alcho Dee 269]

Crisis at Carlton on the news, only to bounce back to a 55 win against Melbourne, You heard it here go and put a bet down.

[beelzebub 23,198]

changes ??

moving up form 25 to 35 k walk

might swap out the merino socks for some swisho bamboo ones.

other than that....couldnt really give a rats

we'll play the blues back into form...its a given

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

The good news is that we are back at the MCG and playing a team that is also 0-3.

The Blues also have their share of injuries with Kreuzer and Judd out.

Brocky is unlikely to get back in to torment us this week, but bruise-free Robbo will be keen to again make us look insipid.

Do people not comprehend the state of the Melbourne situation. Carlton is only near us on the ladder because you cant put a 12inch gap between 17th and 18th positions when you print the ladder in the paper. MFC is not in the same LEAGUE as Carlton or anyone else for that matter. Stop kidding yourself. If Melbourne loses by less than 10 goals Ill be suprised. MFC list is VFL standard.

[P-man 13,366]

Have a look at Roos' presser today. He explained his spray to Terlich but spoke very highly of his performances as a whole so far. He almost certainly won't be dropped, in fact he seems to have a fan in Roos.