Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[biggestred 4,342]

Apparently its individuals from multiple clubs, but there is only one club who has done it systematically.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/see-our-snapshot-of-todays-acc-report-detailing-the-use-of-performance-enhancing-drugs-and-crime-links-in-australian-sport/story-e6frfglf-1226572696758

Edited February 7, 2013 by biggestred

[mjt 640]

PSD. Who is to blame if Essendon get done for cheating??......Essendon.

Do not give them anything. Did the Comp survive when Carlton got wacked for Brown Paper Bags??

Yep. Just like we survived WW2 even though we lost brothers.

Whos to blame if we get done for Tanking?

[DeeZee 6,779]

Whos to blame if we get done for Tanking?

The sports medicine guy.......he refused to give us anything that was performance enhancing.

[Striker475 696]

On us, you would think Misson would be clean with track record with CA, Sydney and St Kilda; known for managing injuries rather than Essendon-style masses of ST problems.

NC is questionable. Not for conduct at Adelaide or at Melbourne, but years earlier; there's been rumours for as long as he was coach at Adelaide regarding his conduct when he was at the AIS. That is questionable, but it's so long ago that who knows if it could ever come to light. I doubt he has done anything since though.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Considering our current coach was a former assistant of one of said premiership-winning power clubs, and has continually compared where we are at as opposed to where the power clubs are at, I'm not sure if that means Collingwood are on the juice. Perhaps it may be a handful of players, rather than every man and his dog in red and black, but you wouldn;t think Neeld would be demanding our players to get to the fitness levels of the pies if he knew they were on it and we weren't.

Perhaps that's just it...if he knew Collingwood were on it.

I don't put our recent plight purely to the fact we haven't and they have, there's a certain amount of natural fitness we haven't been able to acheive due to lack of facilities and lack of money in the football department. It's the ones who have gone the extra yard and have resorted to cheating I hate, if anyone at our club is involved I hope they get rubbed out too.

As an aside I wonder if Beamer would like to offer an opinion on Geelong when he was there.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

Whos to blame if we get done for Tanking?

before or after the courts?

I have always said if the AFL do us with SOLID evidence i accept whatever shite we get.

I am yet to see that solid evidence.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

i'm speachless

Been pulling your leg DWA.

I only rate them in that they have managed to bounce back after 2006 (premership winners) and when they lost Kerr to injury, Judd and Cousins from 15th (2008), 11th (2009), 16th (2010), 4th (2011), to 5th (2012).

They have done more than we have over 6 years than we have in 12.

Will be interesting to see how they perform. On my to-watch-list (for better or worse) with Geelong, Carlton, Richmond and us

[sue 8,463]

Whos to blame if we get done for Tanking?

That is a much more complex question than you imply. For example, here is a little tale:

You own a cafe across the street from Cafe Bozo. Your cafe has identical space, facilities and passing trade etc. Makes similar profits. One day Bozo covers the footpath with tables and chairs without any council permission and steals a pile of your business. The council doesn't do anything, the rules are ill-defined, so you figure you'd better do the same. You do and the council prosecutes you two years after you installed the tables.

One of your friends says you brought it all on yourself because you were stupid enough to put a sign in your window saying 'Outdoor Eating Coming Soon' and your chairs were (arguably) a brighter colour.

Yes, so you are to blame. But would you really feel you were solely the cause of your plight?

You'd whinge to anyone who will listen and do all you legally can to ensure you are not convicted or at least reduce any penalty.

You wouldn't be too pleased with your ex-friend either.

Edited February 7, 2013 by sue

[Pennant St Dee 11,350]

I could not disagree anymore with you.

Alright, sure their supporters are terrible, but what a team.

I am an Irish Catholic who hates Meth Coast more than I hate Glasgow Rangers such is my contempt for their club

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

That is a much more complex question than you imply. For example, here is a little tale:

You own a cafe across the street from Cafe Bozo. Your cafe has identical space, facilities and passing trade etc. Makes similar profits. One day Bozo covers the footpath with tables and chairs without any council permission and steals a pile of your business. The council doesn't do anything, the rules are ill-defined, so you figure you'd better do the same. You do and the council prosecutes you two years after you installed the tables.

One of your friends says you brought it all on yourself because you were stupid enough to put a sign in your window saying 'Outdoor Eating Coming Soon' and your chairs were (arguably) a brighter colour.

Yes, so you are to blame. But would you really feel you were solely the cause of your plight?

You'd whinge to anyone who will listen and do all you legally can to ensure you are not convicted or at least reduce any penalty.

You wouldn't be too pleased with your ex-friend either.

that is an excellent analogy Sue.

Send that to our legal team

Edited February 7, 2013 by why you little

[mjt 640]

That is a much more complex question than you imply. For example, here is a little tale:

You own a cafe across the street from Cafe Bozo. Your cafe has identical space, facilities and passing trade etc. Makes similar profits. One day Bozo covers the footpath with tables and chairs without any council permission and steals a pile of your business. The council doesn't do anything, the rules are ill-defined, so you figure you'd better do the same. You do and the council prosecutes you two years after you installed the tables.

One of your friends says you brought it all on yourself because you were stupid enough to put a sign in your window saying 'Outdoor Eating Coming Soon' and your chairs were (arguably) a brighter colour.

Yes, so you are to blame. But would you really feel you were solely the cause of your plight?

You'd whinge to anyone who will listen and do all you legally can to ensure you are not convicted or at least reduce any penalty.

You wouldn't be too pleased with your ex-friend either.

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

[Gorgoroth 12,331]

I am an Irish Catholic who hates Meth Coast more than I hate Glasgow Rangers such is my contempt for their club

Obviously not a true catholic,

Up the Gers!

[bing181 8,176]

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

Pot, kettle etc.

[sue 8,463]

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

too dumb for you to say what is wrong with the analogy?

[mjt 640]

too dumb for you to say what is wrong with the analogy?

i admire your loyalty to the club, but you need to understand, its about US, not Carlton or Cafe Bozo, you need to figure that out, were on trial, lets just see how it pans out.

[Sir Why You Little 34,657]

i admire your loyalty to the club, but you need to understand, its about US, not Carlton or Cafe Bozo, you need to figure that out, were on trial, lets just see how it pans out.

i expect a good legal team to drag in some outsiders at the appropriate times if only to highlight certain ineptitudes in AFL rules of the day.

[sue 8,463]

i admire your loyalty to the club, but you need to understand, its about US, not Carlton or Cafe Bozo, you need to figure that out, were on trial, lets just see how it pans out.

I don't think loyalty comes into it. Nor do I accuse you of being disloyal.

Yes it is about US. So what? Yes, we are on trial.

Let me ask you personally - if you were the owner of the dumbest-post-cafe would you say it was not right for the case to be just about YOU given the circumstances? Would it not be partly the council's fault? Would you not whinge to your mates? Would you not fight it on the grounds of equity and bad process by the council?

If not, I admire your fortitude but fear your cafe may go bankrupt.

And yes, we can't do anything but see how it pans out. Doesn't mean we shouldn't comment on the situation.

Edit: apologies - these last few posts should be in the tanking thread.

Edited February 7, 2013 by sue

[monoccular 16,252]

Hatred of the filth is certainly old school (like many of us Demon fans ), juvenile, backward-looking and soaks up a lot of energy. Long may it live!

Hatred of Hawthorn and the scum is probably for a generation later, juvenile, backward-looking and soaks up a lot of energy. Long may it live!

1946, 1954, 1958, 1988, 2000, ... take your pick. Go Demons!

I don't remember 1946, and '54 was a very unexpected GF appearance coming from the cellar the previous year (? similar scenario with a young remodeled team 2013?) - cannot hold a grudge against the Doggies for that one.

On us, you would think Misson would be clean with track record with CA, Sydney and St Kilda; known for managing injuries rather than Essendon-style masses of ST problems.NC is questionable. Not for conduct at Adelaide or at Melbourne, but years earlier; there's been rumours for as long as he was coach at Adelaide regarding his conduct when he was at the AIS. That is questionable, but it's so long ago that who knows if it could ever come to light. I doubt he has done anything since though.

I guess the only "question" on Craig would be that he was once associated with the pioneering doping sport (or on a par with weightlifting) , cycling. I have however never heard anyone question him in particular. Guilt by association would be the most nebulous of links. Edited February 7, 2013 by monoccular

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

This has made me wonder about the fall out with our long time medical staff when the new footy dept moved in...but I suspect I'm jumping at shadows...

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Thats the dumbest post i have read on this site.

Do you have yourself on 'ignore'?

[old dee 22,944]

The old argument of Recruiting v Development springs to mind here, I reckon our recruiting has been abysmal over the last 10 years, but I'm beginning to believe that there are some clubs that have overcome their poor recruiting by some very astute development.

It really pisses me off that we have watched the so called power clubs win premierships that may be tainted and that we have fallen off the pace because we have refused to use the "cutting edge" training techniques they have adopted; I'm glad we didn't but it really grates that the ones that did have stuck it up us for so long. I hope the cheats are all hung out to dry and I don't care who it is, anyone that has used drugs should be given the ass from the competition.

Robbie I doubt there is drug on earth that could improve some of our selections.

[Soidee 1,496]

Today's news is no coincidence with essendons announcement. They must have been given a heads up.

Also look at west coast eagles.....they won flags with unusual size bodies

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

Do you have yourself on 'ignore'?

An answer to that relies on reflexive thinking, but I've suspected for a while that mjt wouldn't pass a Turing test. As Sue's attempt to explain using something as difficult as analogy shows, it's best to avoid anything complicated.

[DemonWA 3,468]

If anyone wants some light entertainment, then i'd suggest visiting the 190+ page thread on Bomberblitz, some serious denial in there

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[diesel 420]

Today's news is no coincidence with essendons announcement. They must have been given a heads up.

Also look at west coast eagles.....they won flags with unusual size bodies

The mere fact that a bunch of their players have been into illicit drugs dating back to the 90's and Benny's best off-filed mates were crooks screams that there was something dodgy going on at WC. I'm not expecting any investigation.....just more "poor Benny" from time to time.