Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[mauriesy 6,907]

Even IF AD had actually 'forewarned' Essendon, I don't understand why Tania Hird is complaining about something that was to their advantage

[jnrmac 19,482]

I like Tanya's quotes that "we were told at a time when we shouldn't been told that". Squeeeeeeel' squeeeel like a pig.

She was told, she took copius notes. Who else has their wife run their life like that? Its none of her freaking business.

[old dee 23,256]

She was told, she took copius notes. Who else has their wife run their life like that? Its none of her freaking business.

You have your chin stuck out with that one jnr.

[monoccular 16,595]

Surely you understate - should read "I am the AFL....(or maybe the world or the universe)"

. Surely Little is part of that group.

Essendone - love it.

J Hird: "I am Essendon at this stage..."

Surely you understate - should read "I am the AFL....(or maybe the world or the universe)"

ABC news, Little & Eddie Everywhere:

Asked on whether Hird's tenure with Essendon was becoming untenable, Little said: "Up until the events of the last 24 hours we believed that James was acting and responding to our requests in a positive way.

"The club will need to meet now Eddie to determine how we go forward in relation to the James Hird issue and probably the broader group that surround James."

. Surely Little is part of that group.

But I don't recall any other club at the time saying they had received a generic warning call. I suspect AD was so keen to help Essendone and the AFL he didn't think to cover his bum by making 17 other calls.

Essendone - love it..........though maybe Essundone may be even better Edited March 21, 2014 by monoccular

[sue 8,594]

Sue you may forgotten but for months prior to putting up their hands numerous journos had been contacting the EFC about remours about what was going on. The EFC threatened to sue if anyone went into print.

These same journos then contacted the AFL.

I remember when this first broke Gerard Healey said he had contacted the EFC and the AFL about the remours months before.

If The AFL where advised that a big meeting was coming up in a couple of days and it concerned an AFL and NRL club you would not need to be a rocket scientist at the AFL to work out it was the EFC.

The ACC have stated that they had not Told the AFL or AD that the club was the EFC prior to the EFC self admitting they had a problem.

So can we please stop trying to paint AD as a villain.

You are falling for the "Hird" propaganda.

Gosh one has to be careful what one posts. I am in no way falling for the Hird propaganda. I was responding to another post in saying "it must have been well known in AFL circles" ie. it was true even if there was no other evidence that you have listed to suggest it.

I don't see AD as the villain. Though I think he would have been wise to advise all clubs that ASADA was about to drop a bombshell to completly protect his bum from any accusations such as have been made by Hird. I thought it was clear from my posts that he is being crucified by Essendone despite his trying to protect them.

[daisycutter 28,722]

if the bummers cut hird loose, does that mean james won't be able to deliver his "reward" to the supporters?

[The Reverend 1,718]

if the bummers cut hird loose, does that mean james won't be able to deliver his "reward" to the supporters?

That would be his "reward" to the faithful.

[daisycutter 28,722]

That would be his "reward" to the faithful.

it was probably just a poisoned chalice reverend

[monoccular 16,595]

if the bummers cut hird loose, does that mean james won't be able to deliver his "reward" to the supporters?

To all those here who whinge about Mitch Clark being paid whilst injured putting his body at risk for the team - how would you react were you EssUNdone members paying this megalomaniac for doing no work, swanning around Paris, at $1m a year?

Edited March 21, 2014 by monoccular

[monoccular 16,595]

it was probably just a poisoned chalice reverend

Didn't the chalice from the palace have the brew that is true? I don't think that any chalice from the Hird palace held any any true brew. (I suspect that only Dee fans who remember premierships will be old enough to remember Danny Kaye and "The Court Jetser", which I saw the day bottom team Footscray beat the Dees on the Eve of the finals prior to one of our flags, maybe 57 or 59)

Edited March 21, 2014 by monoccular

[Whispering_Jack 28,118]

Without wanting to incur a legal bill I'm interested in the concept of "burden of proof". Could the Essendon players appeal on the basis that the finding was wrong because whilst there might have been circumstantial evidence it wasn't significant to reasonably conclude they were given banned drugs.

BTW, what on earth was Tania doing last night. They deserve each other.

I'll do this one pro bono. There are a group of eminent persons on the panel who have to be comfortably satisfied that an anti doping violation has been committed. They are very knowledgeable, experienced and responsible. They can make mistakes but, as you might see from the Federal Court appeal judgement in the case above (which was lost by the Essendon supporting barrister referred to in some of the other posts above*), it would be difficult to overturn their decision. Circumstantial evidence can often be very compelling. Besides, I think your POV is that the players should be let off because they were misled by professionals upon who they relied and who they trusted. That doesn't work with ADV's unless they were operated on while unconscious.

[*reading between the lines we can now understand why there has been a serious campaign by Essendon and its friends to malign ASADA and its procedures including the delays etc. but that's just a side issue to the main show that's about to come down]

Speaking of side issues, as for Mrs. Hird, I think she is much maligned and it's not her fault. She probably succumbed to the hypnotic forces generated when Sticks Kernahan sang that classic song years ago. How does it go? "Stand by your man".

[ManDee 7,096]

Caroline Wilson "the Age" today.

If Hird wanted to fight to clear his name - as was his right - he should have held firm last year. But if he still believes the senior coach of a football club is not responsible for the welfare of his players and if he still cannot see it was his responsibility to stop all those needles and mysterious and potentially dangerous drugs, then he does not deserve to be a part of the AFL.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-need-to-sever-ties-with-james-hird-20140321-hvl6y.html#ixzz2wYbek4p1

Even our dear friend Caro is calling for Hirds head.

[Sir Why You Little 35,320]

The wife has just finished the career of James.

Why has she spoken?

It is just bizzare!!

[ManDee 7,096]

Correction. In earlier posts I referred to EFC CEO talking to James Hird. It was in fact EFC Chairman David Evans.

The sentiment remains. Hird must be sacked.

[biggestred 4,420]

it would not surprise me one bit if old tania is just repeating what james has been telling her.

"no darling i didnt go to the pub last night"

--> "james didnt go to the pub last night, he cant possibly have failed a breath test"

[biggestred 4,420]

btw they should keep hird. They deserve him.

[Bedraggled Dee 336]

The Hirds have successfully alienated themselves from all possible support, the EFC, the AFL, other clubs and presidents and the fan base aside from a few rabid morons. In fact his intransigence paints a picture of competition and a club that belives it is above the rules especially when you view it from the context of WADA and the response of other sports similar situations. It wont help ASADA and the AFL convince WADA that lesser penalties for players are appropriate.

Once he gets the chop I cant see Hird going quietly and would not be surprised if he takes all and sundry through the courts especially if he gets an infraction notice. Little has been a fool throughout the whole saga and has already cost his club a significant amount of money that is likely to explode.

Make me glad the Mclardy was able to get us out of the tanking investigation relativley unscathed. This club owes cuddles a fair bit I recon.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Operation Deflection backfires.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

The wife has just finished the career of James.

Why has she spoken?

It is just bizzare!!

It was over regardless, just trying to take a few down with them.

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

I really don't get how this whole investigation went from; did they cheat? what did they inject? who is responsible? to whether or not AD tipped off EFC that ASADA was coming.

this whole thing needs to get back to what where the players injected with and are they going to be any long term health effects? The Hirds are only too worried about their own credibility and seem to forget the fact that this whole thing is about Essendon injecting players with suspect substances in an out of control supplements program orchestrated by one James Hird.

who gives a crap what AD or the AFL knew right before ASADA came down on Essendon. I've said it a dozen times before AD was not the one holding the needle. Essendon and the Hirds need to suck it up and cop exactly what's coming to them!

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

The wife has just finished the career of James.

Why has she spoken?

It is just bizzare!!

its funny that she did the interview right after he left the country... make me wonder if James even knew she was going to say anything

[Cards13 9,117]

Haha imagine if he didnt know... He goes off to sleep last in France, Wales up this morning opens the blinds the birds are chirping... Turns on the blower and it just goes berserk with messages haha.

Tania might be in for a quiet ride from the airport when she lands.

[Slartibartfast 16,108]

Besides, I think your POV is that the players should be let off because they were misled by professionals upon who they relied and who they trusted. That doesn't work with ADV's unless they were operated on while unconscious.

So am I right in saying:

1. If the players genuinely didn't believe they were taking banned drugs but did they're gone.

2. If a rogue sports scientist injects them with a banned substance when they are told they are getting something else they're gone.

That all the Essendon players will get infraction notices because presumably they all received the same drugs, or there is a reasonable probability they received banned drugs.

I'm confused. I thought the so called 14 were at risk because they thought they were taking AOD 9604 and it was banned. If the others didn't know they were taking banned substances then surely under the "unconscious" rule they would be gone as well (assuming they were conscious at the time).

[Whispering_Jack 28,118]

There's more and more interesting stuff coming out on a daily basis - NRL and AFL given permission to name clubs identified in ACC report into drug and crime links to sport

Also of interest is the fact that Stephen Dank has launched a $10m defamation suit. After all, a man of his stature has his reputation and standing in the community to protect.

[ManDee 7,096]

its funny that she did the interview right after he left the country... make me wonder if James even knew she was going to say anything

He knew, told her to wait until he was out of the country.

Plausible deniability.

Haven't heard from the Hird have we. He hasn't come out to admonish her or distance himself from her comments. He knows what was said. Thick as thieves those...[censored].