On The Couch - 13 May

[nutbean 8,838]

For those commenting on Roo's and boring football.

I dream of going to the football and seeing our club playing and being "bored". Sure beats the hell out of the current alternative.

[McQueen 17,864]

The players must take some responsibility for manning up, punching from behind, blocking, tackling, kicking straight, kicking to a moving target, shepherding.

Geelong have got oodles of it, but they've also got a leader on every line.

Let's get more games in the three Jacks, JV, M Jones, Terlich, Dawes, Gawn, Evans, Strauss, Sellar, Howe, etc and allow the landscape to unfold then.

Jumbo, the development of the players is at the heart of the matter here. If their actions on the field are a by product of how they train and are 'taught' by Neeld then we have a problem.

Best to move him on now before the group you've outlined above are also affected.

[3Dee 1,153]

Roos said "off the radar" which reads as ettiquette as MN is still in position. (well that's what I'm runnin' with!)

[Dr. Gonzo 24,032]

For those commenting on Roo's and boring football.

I dream of going to the football and seeing our club playing and being "bored". Sure beats the hell out of the current alternative.

It's not really about being boring, it's about being outdated.

[nutbean 8,838]

It's not really about being boring, it's about being outdated.

Whether you like the man or not - you cant really dispute his intelligence. He hasnt coached for a couple of years. I would suggest he is intelligent enough to alter his style and gameplan to what suits a list needs.

Your suggesting he will come in do the same same as he did in Sydney - Whilst he would focus on defensive structures as all coaches do I think he would have evolved.

Bottom line is neither of us know..

[binman 42,257]

Whether you like the man or not - you cant really dispute his intelligence. He hasnt coached for a couple of years. I would suggest he is intelligent enough to alter his style and gameplan to what suits a list needs.

Your suggesting he will come in do the same same as he did in Sydney - Whilst he would focus on defensive structures as all coaches do I think he would have evolved.

Bottom line is neither of us know..

Spot on Nutbean. Of course he'd adapt. He is a winner and he used a game plan at the Swans that maximized his teams chances of winning a flag. If he coached now and that game plan was not going to win a flag he'd adapt it (whislt imagine still keeping the emphasis on hard nosed defense and non negotiables such as accountability). No one is accusing Freo of being overly dour this year as Lyon has apated his game plan from the flooding model he used at the Saints

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

We didn't get bagged as per normal .... Interesting.

But I do guess there not much point in bagging us now its beyond a story. I also remember hirdy saying No No No I will not coach essendon. So who knows hey

There is a realistic chance that Roos will coach Melbourne next season. I am aware of "sounding out" discussions with our club (directly from board member).

It means absolutely nothing that Roos denies or semi denies. Roos and the MFC must deny such contact as Melbourne currently has a coach in contract until the end of 2014. All parties simply have no choice but to deny.

This situation reminds me of Malthouse and Carlton last season. Malthouse denied interest and denied contact and discussions with Carlton, but never absolutely closed the door on the possibility. Just like Roos has done. It is now common knowledge in the football community that Malthouse agreed to terms with Carlton around mid-season while Ratten was still coach. All at Melbourne have their fingers crossed that one way or anther Roos takes up the challenge and saves our club.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Grand New Flag

[Sir Why You Little 36,797]

There is a realistic chance that Roos will coach Melbourne next season. I am aware of "sounding out" discussions with our club (directly from board member).

It means absolutely nothing that Roos denies or semi denies. Roos and the MFC must deny such contact as Melbourne currently has a coach in contract until the end of 2014. All parties simply have no choice but to deny.

This situation reminds me of Malthouse and Carlton last season. Malthouse denied interest and denied contact and discussions with Carlton, but never absolutely closed the door on the possibility. Just like Roos has done. It is now common knowledge in the football community that Malthouse agreed to terms with Carlton around mid-season while Ratten was still coach. All at Melbourne have their fingers crossed that one way or anther Roos takes up the challenge and saves our club.

well i for one hope you are right.

Roos got the Swans their first for 72 years and was a Bees member away from back to back in 2006. I was at 2006, anyone who thinks it was a boring contest was not in the crowd.

Every single contest was fierce.

The EXACT OPPOSITE to what the MFC are now.

I know which style i would prefer.

Edited May 15, 2013 by why you little

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

well i for one hope you are right.

Roos got the Swans their first for 72 years and was a Bees member away from back to back in 2006. I was at 2006, anyone who thinks it was a boring contest was not in the crowd.

Every single contest was fierce.

The EXACT OPPOSITE to what the MFC are now.

I know which style i would prefer.

Indeed WYL....some sort of hard contested tight stoppage type football sure beats the hell out of 5 goals in 10min and watching players walk around wishing they were somewhere else, besides Im running out of needles to stick in my eyes.

[Sir Why You Little 36,797]

Indeed WYL....some sort of hard contested tight stoppage type football sure beats the hell out of 5 goals in 10min and watching players walk around wishing they were somewhere else, besides Im running out of needles to stick in my eyes.

People forget under Northey we often kicked low scores & hung on to win close.

It was stressful to watch but it was a huge buzz when that siren blew.

Northey was not a boring coach, he led a tough battle.

[hardtack 10,448]

There is a realistic chance that Roos will coach Melbourne next season. I am aware of "sounding out" discussions with our club (directly from board member).

It means absolutely nothing that Roos denies or semi denies. Roos and the MFC must deny such contact as Melbourne currently has a coach in contract until the end of 2014. All parties simply have no choice but to deny.

You really mix in the right circles... player managers, board members... I'm sure they're going to give you all of the inside information.

And what does it matter that Neeld is still contracted? It certainly never stopped Freemantle when both Lyon and Harvey still had one year left on their respective contracts.

[pitmaster 3,497]

GLyon spoke to RLyons manager and not RLyon himself

The point no-one considers in all this speculation is that R Lyon knew the Melbourne gig was in the offing and yet he chose to speak on the quiet to Freo, keeping even his manager out of the loop.

G Lyon thought he sussed it out but R Lyon was on a mission of his own, his management notwithstanding. From this it is fair to conclude he had no interest in us, and figured the Freo list was a better option, so let's stop the hyperventilating over would he wouldn't he have joined us.

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Tricky, you don't not need to brush up on your double negatives.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Malcom Blight st Kilda

be careful what you wish for

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/cp-malcolm-blight--19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Blight#Playing_coach_at_North_Melbourne

pearls before swine, apparently a list had been made of sackings to come... apparently that list was given to the players....

we all know about the Saints Culture issues of generations past,,, then RLyon happened along,, but then Lyon left. why didn't he continue with this great club?

... so blight was readying to cleanup the culture mess, & they shafted him first, out of ignorance???

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[McQueen 17,864]

The point no-one considers in all this speculation is that R Lyon knew the Melbourne gig was in the offing and yet he chose to speak on the quiet to Freo, keeping even his manager out of the loop.

G Lyon thought he sussed it out but R Lyon was on a mission of his own, his management notwithstanding. From this it is fair to conclude he had no interest in us, and figured the Freo list was a better option, so let's stop the hyperventilating over would he wouldn't he have joined us.

Spot on.

There was an article in The West (unable to find link) where Lyon stated he wanted out of Victoria.

Ed: it was on this admission from Lyon that Freo went for him.

Edited May 15, 2013 by McQueen

[Tony Tea 2,806]

I dream of being bored at the footy. It beats sheer hopeless desperation.

[dee-luded 2,959]

People forget under Northey we often kicked low scores & hung on to win close.

It was stressful to watch but it was a huge buzz when that siren blew.

Northey was not a boring coach, he led a tough battle.

Who do you think selected the bulk of those kids with strong characters when they were U-19's, & why do you think

they performed like that 4 to 5 yrs later, under Swooper?

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[jazza 1,323]

There is a realistic chance that Roos will coach Melbourne next season. I am aware of "sounding out" discussions with our club (directly from board member).

It means absolutely nothing that Roos denies or semi denies. Roos and the MFC must deny such contact as Melbourne currently has a coach in contract until the end of 2014. All parties simply have no choice but to deny.

This situation reminds me of Malthouse and Carlton last season. Malthouse denied interest and denied contact and discussions with Carlton, but never absolutely closed the door on the possibility. Just like Roos has done. It is now common knowledge in the football community that Malthouse agreed to terms with Carlton around mid-season while Ratten was still coach. All at Melbourne have their fingers crossed that one way or anther Roos takes up the challenge and saves our club.

when you say its common knowledge in football community. are you calling cfc, steve kernahan. mick malthouse and greg swann liers or is the football community calling them liers?

and are you know calling paul roos a lier. and if so why appoint him if he is??

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

If he is a lier,then he only reclining. If he's a liar, then that is a different thing altogether. That said and has already been mentioned, while Neeld is still in the chair or any other incumbent in 2013 for that matter, both the AFL and Paul Roos cannot say, yes, Roos is up for the job.

In any event, I believe the chances of Roos coaching in 2014 are extremely thin.

[rjay 24,716]

when you say its common knowledge in football community. are you calling cfc, steve kernahan. mick malthouse and greg swann liers or is the football community calling them liers?

and are you know calling paul roos a lier. and if so why appoint him if he is??

Add the golden boy and his assistant to the mix, not all is as it seems in AFL land.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

when you say its common knowledge in football community. are you calling cfc, steve kernahan. mick malthouse and greg swann liers or is the football community calling them liers?

and are you know calling paul roos a lier. and if so why appoint him if he is??

Yes, I am calling them all liars......... if that's what you want to call it.

Call it a professional lie, call it a required lie, call it a necessary lie, call it a legal lie, call it what you want, this is what happens. When a coach is in contract a club simply cannot be seen to be luring another coach. Surely you can see why this is.

[Go the Biff 3,396]

The point no-one considers in all this speculation is that R Lyon knew the Melbourne gig was in the offing and yet he chose to speak on the quiet to Freo, keeping even his manager out of the loop.

G Lyon thought he sussed it out but R Lyon was on a mission of his own, his management notwithstanding. From this it is fair to conclude he had no interest in us, and figured the Freo list was a better option, so let's stop the hyperventilating over would he wouldn't he have joined us.

The other thing people forget is that the Freo Steves (Harris & Rosich) had already pretty much stiched up Lyon for 2013. I'd assume these were talks held without Lyon's management's knowledge as well. There's an interview with one of the Steves where this is mentioned but franky I don't care enough to be arsed looking for it. It was the end of 2011 when they were so dissatisfied with Havey that they decided to try to reel in Lyon a year early.

[hardtack 10,448]

Yes, I am calling them all liars......... if that's what you want to call it.

Call it a professional lie, call it a required lie, call it a necessary lie, call it a legal lie, call it what you want, this is what happens. When a coach is in contract a club simply cannot be seen to be luring another coach. Surely you can see why this is.

As I said above... tell that to Freemantle.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

As I said above... tell that to Freemantle.

Agreed Hardtack, but the two scenarios in question are somewhat different. For a start, Fremantle were not a basket case of the time. Similar to when John Northey left Richmond and took the Brisbane job.

[frankie_d 1,471]

People forget under Northey we often kicked low scores & hung on to win close.

It was stressful to watch but it was a huge buzz when that siren blew.

Northey was not a boring coach, he led a tough battle.

Remember listening to a close one on the radio driving back from somewhere in the bush:

Tim Lane: "Somehow, this mob just find a way to win"

What I'd give for that to be said about us now -

It seems that "governance" isn't just the bull$hit bingo word that some on here thought it was.

The performance of the Club under this board is truly dreadful.