Farewell Jesse Hogan

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

I think this is very simple for us.  Hogan is contracted.  If Freo want him, they have to pay.  He cost us more than a first round pick when we traded for his rights.  He's one of the best young KPFs going around.  If they want to trade for him, they can give us their first pick and the first round pick they get for Neale.  That would be picks four and five to us for Hogan.  Maybe an exchange of later picks in their favour, but I don't see the need to be honest.  They've been trying to pry him loose from us for years.  If they want to do it this year they need to pay. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Sam McClure of SEN puts forward his idea of a blockbuster trade that could see Melbourne secure Gold Coast’s Steven May.

May has a year left on his contract so McClure opines that there may be a problem.

“The sticking point here is that the Gold Coast Suns aren’t going to trade Steven May, unless they get something overs for him.”

McClure reckons that Lachie Neale could be the key to the matter.

“Lachie Neale goes to Brisbane for Brisbane’s first pick – currently pick five – that is on-traded to Melbourne from Fremantle for Jesse Hogan, and that then allows Melbourne to with that pick for Jesse Hogan to get Steven May.

“I’m of strong belief that the Gold Coast Suns would accept pick five for Steven May.”

In other words, from Melbourne’s point of view, they get May in return for Hogan suggesting that he is worth exactly the same as May - a first round pick (notwithstanding that Hogan is a high ranking key position forward who is also in contract and three years younger than the Gold Coast defender).

To accept such a trade would be madness.

An exchange that saw us lose Hogan and gain May would be terrible and terrible from a PR perspective as well. If we can score May plus a top 10 pick it would be more palatable

[Chook in Perth 2,012]

what was scuttlebutt yesterday is rooted in fact today.

he's not gone yet but it's moved from unlikely to maybe. from all parties

[Bring Back Barassi 532]

33 minutes ago, Chook in Perth said:

what was scuttlebutt yesterday is rooted in fact today.

he's not gone yet but it's moved from unlikely to maybe. from all parties

No matter what anyone says, its always maybe. This thing is a beat-up

[Chook in Perth 2,012]

4 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

No matter what anyone says, its always maybe. This thing is a beat-up

like I could be bothered posting for that.

BTW, fresh intel. He's gone. 

[whatwhat say what 19,121]

4 minutes ago, Chook in Perth said:

like I could be bothered posting for that.

BTW, fresh intel. He's gone. 

Only if it’s an ‘unbelievable’ deal for MFC according to my rumour mill

[Chook in Perth 2,012]

5 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Only if it’s an ‘unbelievable’ deal for MFC according to my rumour mill

Freo have been kicking these tyres for 5 years. there's a loot coming back. dunno what it is yet.

I'll come back when I know something 

[MurDoc516 1,304]

Two first rd picks minimum. I'm scared of the May idea. I think he has a lot of hype because he's an okay player surrounded by [censored], bit like Tyson was at first. I think we would do better at the draft table. It would also be [censored] hilarious that Adelaide get our [censored] late teens pick while we get ahead of them in the draft. Should take the two SA boys they want ahead of them haha

Edited September 26, 2018 by MurDoc516

[Clayton van Oliver 1,689]

Unless it's for way, way overs, I would rather not trade Hogan this year, win a flag with him next year, and then who cares?

[MurDoc516 1,304]

2 minutes ago, AmDamDemon said:

Unless it's for way, way overs, I would rather not trade Hogan this year, win a flag with him next year, and then who cares?

Trade him now get two first rounders who then slot in and carry us to a flag next year while Freo finish last.

[Clayton van Oliver 1,689]

30 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Trade him now get two first rounders who then slot in and carry us to a flag next year while Freo finish last.

Indeed, if we get massive overs.  2 first rounders + something for Josh and Todd to play with

[Ted Lasso 16,866]

1 hour ago, Chook in Perth said:

Freo have been kicking these tyres for 5 years. there's a loot coming back. dunno what it is yet.

I'll come back when I know something 

Couple of top end picks would go nicely as a starting point. 

Shame to lose Jesse though. Always had a feeling this might happen eventually sadly 

[bringbackthebiff 646]

4 hours ago, Thehardtackler said:

Hogan will not go to West Coast. He was a die hard Docker as a youth, that I believe is a large part of his motivation for going there. Look at how much Harmes loves us. Same thing! 

Is there even such a thing??

[praha 10,293]

My thoughts after some reflection:

He was adament to stay and be part of something great.

Getting injured and missing finals has changed his perspective.

A young kid has seen his colleagues succeed without him. It can be demoralizing and can impact your own self worth. It happens to all of us. I am not the least bit surprised by this if it's all true.

This stands as an important test for this regime. Scully felt he didn't belong. Then money weighed in. I don't think money is as big an allure for Hogan: he is getting the coin whether he stays or goes.

The test for the club is to highlight to Hogan how important he is. To sit on the sidelines after being through so much, and to miss the excitement of finals...that must have really affected him. We need some perspective here.

It is not about playing hardball. Or rejecting his request. It is about ensuring Hogan is mentally able to understand how important he is. We know he is a strong kid after what he has been through. But I feel his missing finals was kind of the cherry on top of a horrid 24 months. That he still kicked 80+ goals in that period is truly amazing.

Club and fans need to get around him and let him know how important he is. Tell him on instagram. Don't be all "woe is me, please don't leave Hoges!" Give him support and tell him he's a star. These kids are so aggressively scrutinise in the social media era. We need to turn it around and make him one of us.

We can't lose this kid.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, praha said:

My thoughts after some reflection:

He was adament to stay and be part of something great.

Getting injured and missing finals has changed his perspective.

A young kid has seen his colleagues succeed without him. It can be demoralizing and can impact your own self worth. It happens to all of us. I am not the least bit surprised by this if it's all true.

This stands as an important test for this regime. Scully felt he didn't belong. Then money weighed in. I don't think money is as big an allure for Hogan: he is getting the coin whether he stays or goes.

The test for the club is to highlight to Hogan how important he is. To sit on the sidelines after being through so much, and to miss the excitement of finals...that must have really affected him. We need some perspective here.

It is not about playing hardball. Or rejecting his request. It is about ensuring Hogan is mentally able to understand how important he is. We know he is a strong kid after what he has been through. But I feel his missing finals was kind of the cherry on top of a horrid 24 months. That he still kicked 80+ goals in that period is truly amazing.

Club and fans need to get around him and let him know how important he is. Tell him on instagram. Don't be all "woe is me, please don't leave Hoges!" Give him support and tell him he's a star. These kids are so aggressively scrutinise in the social media era. We need to turn it around and make him one of us.

We can't lose this kid.

Thats a really nice well thought out post Praha. Lets hope all and any decisions to do with this are made with a clear head.

[Pates 9,537]

2 hours ago, praha said:

My thoughts after some reflection:

He was adament to stay and be part of something great.

Getting injured and missing finals has changed his perspective.

A young kid has seen his colleagues succeed without him. It can be demoralizing and can impact your own self worth. It happens to all of us. I am not the least bit surprised by this if it's all true.

This stands as an important test for this regime. Scully felt he didn't belong. Then money weighed in. I don't think money is as big an allure for Hogan: he is getting the coin whether he stays or goes.

The test for the club is to highlight to Hogan how important he is. To sit on the sidelines after being through so much, and to miss the excitement of finals...that must have really affected him. We need some perspective here.

It is not about playing hardball. Or rejecting his request. It is about ensuring Hogan is mentally able to understand how important he is. We know he is a strong kid after what he has been through. But I feel his missing finals was kind of the cherry on top of a horrid 24 months. That he still kicked 80+ goals in that period is truly amazing.

Club and fans need to get around him and let him know how important he is. Tell him on instagram. Don't be all "woe is me, please don't leave Hoges!" Give him support and tell him he's a star. These kids are so aggressively scrutinise in the social media era. We need to turn it around and make him one of us.

We can't lose this kid.

I like the sentiments praha, and I'm willing to get on board with that line of thought. Fact is he has been through more in the last 24 months than many go through over decades, as you've pointed out the injury and watching his teammates go through the finals (relatively successfully) must've stung as happy as he would've been for them.

The club's pitch or talks with Jesse may well centre around helping him to regain confidence in himself and that he is a big part of our future hopes and dreams. 

[deebug 1,754]

2 hours ago, praha said:

My thoughts after some reflection:

He was adament to stay and be part of something great.

Getting injured and myeissing finals has changed his perspective.

A young kid has seen his colleagues succeed without him. It can be demoralizing and can impact your own self worth. It happens to all of us. I am not the least bit surprised by this if it's all true.

This stands as an important test for this regime. Scully felt he didn't belong. Then money weighed in. I don't think money is as big an allure for Hogan: he is getting the coin whether he stays or goes.

The test for the club is to highlight to Hogan how important he is. To sit on the sidelines after being through so much, and to miss the excitement of finals...that must have really affected him. We need some perspective here.

It is not about playing hardball. Or rejecting his request. It is about ensuring Hogan is mentally able to understand how important he is. We know he is a strong kid after what he has been through. But I feel his missing finals was kind of the cherry on top of a horrid 24 months. That he still kicked 80+ goals in that period is truly amazing.

Club and fans need to get around him and let him know how important he is. Tell him on instagram. Don't be all "woe is me, please don't leave Hoges!" Give him support and tell him he's a star. These kids are so aggressively scrutinise in the social media era. We need to turn it around and make him one of us.

We can't lose this kid.

I don't want Jesse to leave, never have, the poor guy has had his fair share of c&* over the last two years.

To me Jesse is worth every cent because both adults and kids love to see him play for a our club, he is very much wanted by a lot of us supporters; and i hope he can be a part of the happy times to come for all of us?

Until the club or Jesse come out and say he is leaving then we deal with it, but for now he is still a player for our club, and i hope he is playing for us next year?

[praha 10,293]

30 minutes ago, deebug said:

I don't want Jesse to leave, never have, the poor guy has had his fair share of c&* over the last two years.

To me Jesse is worth every cent because both adults and kids love to see him play for a our club, he is very much wanted by a lot of us supporters; and i hope he can be a part of the happy times to come for all of us?

Until the club or Jesse come out and say he is leaving then we deal with it, but for now he is still a player for our club, and i hope he is playing for us next year?

Of course but i think it is bigger now than him being contracted, or a "player". if you're not motivated by the environment or your motivation lies elsewhere, it always falls down on management and stakeholders to find a way to motivate and instill belief. imposing rules or contractual obligations never works because no organisation in their right mind keeps someone around who doesn't want to be there. it's not just in football. the contractual element in sport is less about putting an explicit time window on the minimum obligation a player has: it is a safeguard for teams that, should the contract need to be altered, they have bargaining power. it's extremely rare that a contracted player that wishes to leave the team their contracted to doesn't have their wish fulfulled. I cringe when I hear teams say "they are a contracted player". The contract serves to protect the player's earning capacity first and foremost. If Hogan wishes to move, first intent is to ensure he is fully aware of how important he is. Beyond that, I believe the team has an obligation to him, fans and the team environment to get the best possible outcome in a trade.

[samcantstandya 934]

5 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Only if it’s an ‘unbelievable’ deal for MFC according to my rumour mill

David Schwarz reckons forget May he isn't disciplined or worth it. But trade Hogan if he isn't committed to us & get maximum value.  Schwarta is one of us.

[Redleg 37,754]

7 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

Two first rd picks minimum. I'm scared of the May idea. I think he has a lot of hype because he's an okay player surrounded by [censored], bit like Tyson was at first. I think we would do better at the draft table. It would also be [censored] hilarious that Adelaide get our [censored] late teens pick while we get ahead of them in the draft. Should take the two SA boys they want ahead of them haha

GC will take Lukosius and Rozee who are good mates as well to try and keep them up there.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Redleg

[SFebes 4,692]

9 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Sam McClure of SEN puts forward his idea of a blockbuster trade that could see Melbourne secure Gold Coast’s Steven May.

May has a year left on his contract so McClure opines that there may be a problem.

“The sticking point here is that the Gold Coast Suns aren’t going to trade Steven May, unless they get something overs for him.”

McClure reckons that Lachie Neale could be the key to the matter.

“Lachie Neale goes to Brisbane for Brisbane’s first pick – currently pick five – that is on-traded to Melbourne from Fremantle for Jesse Hogan, and that then allows Melbourne to with that pick for Jesse Hogan to get Steven May.

“I’m of strong belief that the Gold Coast Suns would accept pick five for Steven May.”

In other words, from Melbourne’s point of view, they get May in return for Hogan suggesting that he is worth exactly the same as May - a first round pick (notwithstanding that Hogan is a high ranking key position forward who is also in contract and three years younger than the Gold Coast defender).

To accept such a trade would be madness.

Sam Manure - the absolute diarrhea that spews from his mouth is absurd, cocky little know it all turd. In what planet is a) Wingard worth 2 first rounders and Hogan not, b) Steven May worth pick 5 and c) I can't even remember what I was going to write!

I'd rather keep Hogan than be screwed around. The club surely wouldn't even consider that [censored] show of a deal.

Can we trade Sam Manure and bring back Dennis Commetti?

Coffee time.....on this beautiful Victorian spring day......

[Moonshadow 16,274]

Will there will be a lot of young Dees fans with no 1 on their backs crying soon?...

Edited September 26, 2018 by Moonshadow

[SFebes 4,692]

7 hours ago, Chook in Perth said:

like I could be bothered posting for that.

BTW, fresh intel. He's gone. 

What has been the catalyst and sudden change for Jesse? eg; not wanting to extend contract and open to a trade? What has happened?

[Ted Lasso 16,866]

I’m hearing the freo offer is pretty Insane $$ wise, similar ball part to the mooted gaff and Shiel offers

[spalding 1,118]

I’d love Jesse to stay but I have never felt he has the total buy-in that a team needs for sustained and ultimate success - such as the  hawks and cats whose players made contractural sacrifices to keep their dynasties together. The only way I think he can prove that he wants this as much as I think the other young demons do is to sign a contract extension now. If he won’t, lets move on and maximise what we can get to address our needs. Personally I don’t think May is part of this but I would defer to our football team who I think have traded and drafted amazingly well for the last 4-5 years.