Changes vs Hawthorn

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Hogan at training. Looks a lock.

[What 18,810]

 

 

In -            Hogan,     Stretch

Out -       JKH (ommitted), ANB (rest)

[DubDee 20,844]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

No I can't explain them. 

But then again, I can't explain why Hurley got equal most with Oliver. 

Do you have an opinion? Or prefer to throw in with whatever the coaches say?

 

Hurley was clearly BoG at half time imo. 7 intercept marks I think and the main reason we couldnt score

Trac ran him aorund in the 2nd half but I can see why he polled 6.

Tyson was good, playing more outside - 20 effective possessions, 9 marks, 6 score involvements, 9 inside 50s. some shanks stopped him having a great day but he was solid and always gave us an option/outlet

[DubDee 20,844]

from the VFL report, Waggers looks a good chance to come straight in.

drop Milkshake or JK Howler and release Vince/Lewis to the mid

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Tyson ran hard up and down the wing all day, found heaps of space and wasn't nearly as bad as people are saying. His kicking was poor but FFS, the kicking in the game was as bad as any game this year. Why single him out?

Melksham was poor for the 3rd consecutive game. He is on thin ice but nobody is challenging for his spot at the moment.

Wagner hasn't played enough minutes in the VFL to justify selection. Being BOG is a great sign though and I suspect he will be in for Melksham after one more week.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Brayshaw Self

[leave it to deever 15,825]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Honestly...wtf is a pressure act ?

That awesome smother on the boundary line against essendon. I think it may have been Frost. I cant remember but Im sure that must be considered one.

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Honestly...wtf is a pressure act ?

Absolute mumbo jumbo bs.

This highlights a big ( for mine ) problem with footy today. This incessant breakdown into non meaningful elements. 

So much abouts stats are farcical in so much as the metric has either become subjective and therefore non transferable, nor truly comparable or they are half stats. By this i sggest a disposal is actually not effective if it doesnt actually benefit the play ( as opposed left one player and simply got to another, or simply disposed of without penalty. These only half tell a story.

So ...a pressure act ?

If its about an intent...and not a result....a player might as well be just sneering as his opponent for all the good it will do ?

A pressure act ...is that like half a tackle ?  Is it like trying to corral a player but not really ?

Like contesting a mark but completely in wrong spot...but cobtested !! Sorta not quite.

What defines a successful pressure act from a nearly/not-quite ?

I'll tell you one pressure act JKH cant do currently...thats Scoeboard Pressure. Now that you CAN measure very clearly !!

A pressure act is when you are forced to agree with posts on Demonland so as not to be perceived as having no knowledge of footy, the perception being arrived at by the self appointed experts on Demonland

[beelzebub 22,229]

26 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

That awesome smother on the boundary line against essendon. I think it may have been Frost. I cant remember but Im sure that must be considered one.

Yes.. Frost on Heppell. 

Id call that......a...smother

[old dee 22,930]

Mark Stevens reporting Jesse will play this weekend.

[Diamond_Jim 11,855]

Have just finished watching the last half of the replay and after all the comments on Tyson I paid special attention to his disposal.

Starting to understand the opinion of some.

Not one kick in the second half was to the advantage of an MFC player. Other than the kicks favouring the opposition they were at best neutral and more often than not were high in the air. They covered distance but in the main did not hurt the opposition. On a few occasions the recipients bought the ball to ground and hard bullocking resulted in a goal.

In his defence he got the ball which is more than some players can claim credit for but he seems to lack the poise, time or speed to break clear and hit up his fellow players. Also the scramble forward kick a la the Dogs is a valued play these days.

 

Edited May 2, 2017 by Diamond_Jim

[leave it to deever 15,825]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Yes.. Frost on Heppell. 

Id call that......a...smother

You sound like Principal Skinner

[sisso 2,388]

Maxy aside are we at full strength if Hogan plays? Seems amazing considering our recent injury and suspension issues but a good result.

[Diamond_Jim 11,855]

2 minutes ago, sisso said:

Maxy aside are we at full strength if Hogan plays? Seems amazing considering our recent injury and suspension issues but a good result.

Brayshaw ??

[beelzebub 22,229]

6 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Have just finished watching the last half of the replay and after all the comments on Tyson I paid special attention to his disposal.

Starting to understand the opinion of some.

Not one kick in the second half was to the advantage of an MFC player. Other than the kicks favouring the opposition they were at best neutral and more often than not were high in the air. They covered distance but in the main did not hurt the opposition. On a few occasions the recipients bought the ball to ground and hard bullocking resulted in a goal.

In his defence he got the ball which is more than some players can claim credit for but he seems to lack the poise, time or speed to break clear and hit up his fellow players. Also the scramble forward kick a la the Dogs is a valued play these days.

 

Strikes me as not 100% but better (again ) than any likely replacement.

 

[Chook 14,592]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

 

 

In -            Hogan,     Stretch

Out -       JKH (ommitted), ANB (rest)

Aside from the obvious (but possibly overrated) exception of Gawn, this is our best possible team IMO.

[Bay Riffin 1,420]

1 hour ago, Brayshaw Self said:

Tyson ran hard up and down the wing all day, found heaps of space and wasn't nearly as bad as people are saying. His kicking was poor but FFS, the kicking in the game was as bad as any game this year. Why single him out?

Melksham was poor for the 3rd consecutive game. He is on thin ice but nobody is challenging for his spot at the moment.

Wagner hasn't played enough minutes in the VFL to justify selection. Being BOG is a great sign though and I suspect he will be in for Melksham after one more week.

I might be in a minority here but Melksham brings much needed urgency and impacts contests a lot. I think people don't see what he and JKH were bringing defensively for us on the weekend. He also has some toe. I keep hearing Wagner is quick but I didn't see a lot of pace when he played. Melksham is not as bad as people think.

[old dee 22,930]

19 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Brayshaw ??

The jury is out on whether he is best 22 even now DJ. I would have Kent in before him.

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,469]

36 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Have just finished watching the last half of the replay and after all the comments on Tyson I paid special attention to his disposal.

Starting to understand the opinion of some.

Not one kick in the second half was to the advantage of an MFC player. Other than the kicks favouring the opposition they were at best neutral and more often than not were high in the air. They covered distance but in the main did not hurt the opposition. On a few occasions the recipients bought the ball to ground and hard bullocking resulted in a goal.

In his defence he got the ball which is more than some players can claim credit for but he seems to lack the poise, time or speed to break clear and hit up his fellow players. Also the scramble forward kick a la the Dogs is a valued play these days.

 

Slightly incorrect.

I believe he kicked a very nice long pass to the advantage of Petracca. Who marked and goaled.

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24 minutes ago, old dee said:

The jury is out on whether he is best 22 even now DJ. I would have Kent in before him.

big call. I felt almost sad reading it. Brayshaw can still be massive for the dees...I havent given up yet. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

27 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

I might be in a minority here but Melksham brings much needed urgency and impacts contests a lot. I think people don't see what he and JKH were bringing defensively for us on the weekend. He also has some toe. I keep hearing Wagner is quick but I didn't see a lot of pace when he played. Melksham is not as bad as people think.

He definitely is not quick. But he shows more composure than Melksham and judges the ball better in the air. 

Melksham is an OK player until he has to do anything other than punch the football.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, Brayshaw Self said:

Wagner hasn't played enough minutes in the VFL to justify selection. Being BOG is a great sign though and I suspect he will be in for Melksham after one more week.

We brought in Frost and Hibberd after 1 VFL game.

Wouldn't surprise if Wagner came in based on that.

[Diamond_Jim 11,855]

25 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Slightly incorrect.

I believe he kicked a very nice long pass to the advantage of Petracca. Who marked and goaled.

missed that ... the commentators didn't call him and on the tablet it was difficult to pick up the player

I did notice that he received a handball in space

[Redleg 37,769]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

A pressure act is when you are forced to agree with posts on Demonland so as not to be perceived as having no knowledge of footy, the perception being arrived at by the self appointed experts on Demonland

Well lets hear it for the "refusal to be pressured act", which a few of us on here are adept at.

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8 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Tyson ... he'll be back at Casey in no time.

No he won't. Because you're judging him based on what he's getting wrong. The FD are judging him on what he's getting right.

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4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Much of footy..any sport is instinct built upon skills. 

Good luck with that.