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Anyone hear Scully saying Kelly should stay at GWS because money isn't everything? Oh the irony of that pathetic little lying turd!

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I had a letter from the postman, He pulled it from his sack. But bright and early next morning, Im sending my letter back. I’ll write upon it: Return to sender, insensitivity shown. No such finals, our chances blown. We had an opportunity, but threw it back I write I'm sorry but you’re a bunch of hacks. So then I dropped it in the mailbox And sent it special Dee. Bright and early next morning It came right back to me. They wrote upon it: Return to member, transgress is known. No such finals, disaster prone……

I heard we tanked because Adelaide wanted pick 10 or better.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brayshaw is rested from the finals, but it would be bitterly disappointing if we revert to type and pull anyone else out. In particular I see the next month as a massive opportunity for Stretch & Weideman to really step up and impose themselves at this level. Both should be aiming to be in the round 1 AFL side next year, and a strong finals series plus a big pre season would give them every chance to do so.

Much of the dialogue on this thread has 'saviour' written all over it and the salivating is a bit OTT! He plays his role very well but he isn't the major cog in the Crows defence. So I'm not sure he is a Key Position Player. He might be one day but not right now. Will he be the defender we need to play on Brown, Daniher, Moore, Hipwood etc? I am a little cautious in assuming he will be. TBH I am skeptical of the $850K being bandied around. That is the sort of money paid to a match winner and I don't see Lever being a match winner. Don't get me wrong. I am glad we are chasing him. But I hope we don't pay overs in $ to him or trade value to Crows.

Lewis has been a fantastic pick up for us. Simple.

I guess you would have to say pick 29 for an AA is pretty cheap.

All the talk at the moment is that it's btw Dees and Footscray; Crows would prefer he went to Pies cos they're prepared to give up pick 6, but Lever's preference is Melbourne The $$ have been pushed up by Footscray's offer, as to whether or not we are matching that valuation is another matter I was told yesterday it's a "done deal" but we shall see

The worst type of player in today's footy, is the player who gives it to the other side. On saturday for example, the Pies kicked all of their 6 first quarter goals from turnovers. Digest that for a second. If we don't turnover the ball as much in that first quarter, we are in the finals. Most of Tyson's early possessions were turnovers and they KILLED us. Before some of you rush in and say " but at least he gets it", that is not the answer, as often he is given it by other players and then gives it away. Ask your self what would you rather have, a player who gets 15 contested possessions and never turns it over, or a bloke who gets a mix of 25 contested and uncontested possessions and turns over 15 of them. Add to that a player who can't be relied on to kick simple goals when other players pass the ball to him, who has no pace to apply pressure and who doesn't usually run the game out.

If the Swans culture can't buy him in then he will run amuck with us.

This is brilliance from Collingwood.... they know it will be their home game, and that so many MFC supporters will be wanting revenge, it practically guarantees a 70k+ crowd. Great for both teams actually. Must happen.

Yes and no, but we're certainly still paying dearly for the basket case we were 5+ years ago. In terms of experience and thus maturity and leadership we have Jones, Vince, Lewis (especially), but then we drop down to Viney and the 2nd/3rd year players. We have very (very!) few players in the 100 - 200 game group, which is where the leadership and experience should start to come to the fore and flow on through the whole team. Of that group, the only players we have that have come up playing at Melbourne are: Watts. Jetta. Colin Garland. Tom McDonald. That's all. The difference with a team like Sydney is quite staggering. They have 5 players with more than 200 games, and apart from Franklin, most of those have played their whole careers at Sydney (more or less). For us, we have 3 players with more than 200 games, but 2 of those are recent imports. So, only one player (Jones) who has been with us throughout. But just under that, Sydney also have another batch of 4 players in the 150 - 200 game mark, once again, all of whom have come through the club (excepting Tippet ... and I've included Parker on 149 games). We have one who's come through the club - Jack Watts. In other words, Sydney have 9 players with 150+ games, most of whom have come through the club. We have 5 players with 150+ games, but only 2 of which have come through the club. That's a huge difference, especially when you consider the kind of club that Sydney have been over the last 10 years, from the coaches down through the players. Given what he's come up through, that Nathan Jones is any kind of captain at all is a miracle. The onfield leadership we're all clamouring for will come, we have the young(er) players. But it will take time.

kiss of death

ffs x 2

Lewis showed his worth over the last 5 rounds - averaging just short of 30 touches, showing good leadership and clean hands Its a pity more couldn't follow his lead. I still think he will be important for us come this time next year (hopefully) and calls that he is past it are premature

Already said earlier but why anyone would want to trade a player who is 24 and solidly in out best 22 is beyond me, not every player can be a star some are just a work horse. What do people think our midfield looks like once Jones, Vince and Lewis retire in the next year or two. Do you really want to add Tyson to that list. Imagine having to play JKH, Maynard, Stretch and Bugg in the team every week. We would be begging to have Tyson at that point.

Lewis' influence was supposed to prevent this from happening.

Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Hogan - these guys haven't been around for the last decade. Give them a chance to write their own history.

Sums up our year, getting ahead of ourselves.

Lever will say nothing until the Crows finish their season. Quite rightly, his focus should be on winning a flag this year... before he nominates us and works at winning another next year... as for your missus...can she take a decent intercept mark?

MRP a joke. Umpiring by crowd noise and not vision. Fixturing done on the basis of dollars and totally unrelated to fairness of a sporting competition. Rising Star award ignoring Jayden Hunt in 2017 and this week giving an award to a kid with 3 possessions and 3 goals obtained in a thrashing of the opposition. A record year of football stats for a 2nd year player, placing him in the top few players in the game, yet ignored in a 40 man AA squad. Rules changed at whim. You know rjay, it is okay for you to suggest that the AA selectors should watch the games, but I actually doubt that they would know how to turn on a Television or find their way to a football ground.

I heard the podcast and I think the spray was at 3/4 time probably for taking a kick in, which seems against team rules; it isn't his job. The Cox mark proved why it isn't! The leaders were off doing their own thing all game. Gawn and Jones were the main culprits with TMc. If the torpedo cost Dunn his position in the team that kick in should cost TMc his spot in the leadership team. As a group the leaders (except Lewis) cost us that game by playing selfish football. They were so busy getting stats and playing their own game they forgot Team First and forgot to follow and enforce team rules! Terrible example to set to the young guys.

Just saw the presser with Goodwin. My God its pathetic. His joking his way through it. No friggin concept of the fate that awaited. No anger, no emotion whatsoever. CLearly the players felt that there wasn't anything on the line, the way the started. What a mammoth failure of the coaching staff to get this group prepared for a season defining game.

Every year being able to budget for 1)Pies Rd 1 with the usual hype leading into Round 1 - Pies home game = 70k+ 2)Anzac Eve against Richmond 75k+ 3)QB depends upon ladder positions but at least 60k with 75+ if both are up and about Don't underestimate what this exposure on the big stage does for sponsors, attraction of players and big game experience A big yes from me

At the opening bounce we have no one within 40 metres of the goal, if we win the centre clearance I don't know who our coaches expect the midfielders to kick it to.

ffs

I wasnt comparing players. I was just saying they both got caught holding the ball or turned it over because of poor structure and game plan. Dom is not alone blazing away to the opposition. A leading or existent forward line would help.

Sorry, what?

Sandra Sully with the late news.

Trade Stefan Martin.. but keep Jake Spencer

didn't we have a stefan martin play for us once upon a time?

Yes, Coach Collingwood.

What went wrong on Saturday? Obviously a lot! But I noticed a major flaw in how we played: We forgot 'Team First'! From the get go we were 'selfish' like in years past when self-preservation, stats, being the hero etc was what mattered. This resulted in tackling, positioning, disposal, structures, team rules etc going out the window. So Collingwood scored 6.3 from our turnovers in the first quarter. Unfortunately our leaders (and not coincidentally the pre Roos players): Jones, TMac, Gawn were the worst at selfish play, virtually for the whole day. So we ended up with no or little leadership. That selfish play lingered until a few kids like Petracca, Oliver etc took over. Why? My theory is 'Comfort Zone Syndrome' (a made up phrase). It has been mentioned in other threads that under pressure players revert to their 'comfort zones' eg Jones, TMac, Gawn become selfish, Watts withdraws, Viney takes everyone on, Tyson kicks the ball nowhere, Hunt forgets to slow just before kicking etc. Sometimes the pressure is physical and real. But often it is not and that is when they revert to their 'comfort zones'. Our problem is players do not snap out of their comfort zones until the end of a quarter and often it is too late. Our leaders don't act because they can't see it as they themselves are engulfed by their own 'comfort zone'. Not a problem when it is one or two players but a huge problem when it afflicts most of the team like it did on Saturday. This 'comfort zone syndrome' is undoubtedly subconscious and highly individual therefore a major, major problem. Probably, it is the reverting to one's 'comfort zone' when under pressure that makes us look mentally weak. But 'mental weakness does not exist in a vaccum. When expectations are highest, the pressure goes up and the more likely comfort zones will kick in. I can think of no other reason why we crack under expectations. Somewhere, this week a poster suggested a sports psychologist. If my theory is correct then we need a bunch of them.

He may have good disposal /decision making skills, but wait until we put him under the microscope of Demonland requiring nothing less than perfect in 23/23 games. Then he will be tested especially when he made mistake while playing for Crows.

Gee comparing TJ to Dom is harsh on TJ - TJ was an elite ball user EXCEPT he would occasionally try for an overly ambitious kick that wasn't on and therefore turn it over. Dom just has trouble on occasions hitting up very simple targets or blazes away to the opposition.

Agreed Biz. The one on Facebook last night about the draft order really upset fans. It was the wrong time to post about the draft. It was like being trolled by your own club reading that. Someone in the Social Media Department is clearly take the p155. Probably someone working for th club that doesn't actually support our club. Like the head girl at the Demonshop who openly and passionately supports the Richmond Football Club. The MFC has very few MFC people connected to it in Admin and in the back offices. Probably explains the disconnect with fans.

And not so thinly veiled either. Hollywood Boulevard stuff.

Methinks a couple of Deemomlanders need to revisit some clips of David Neitz! Comparisons with our Tom are taking the pizz, surely!

Unaccountable and probably not enough intensity. Let's pass on this option.

Too soon?

Hate them all you ( as I do) like but one of the nations biggest clubs wants to play us in a "blockbuster"to open the season. Just shows we have come a long way, despite the obvious disappointment right at the end. People who dont see this as a positive and a great fillip for the club are deluded.

The line from the Sun: collingwood have requested a blockbuster game against melbourne... think about the last 10 years and you'll realise how far mfc have come

too late, he retired couple of years ago

Bahahahahahahaha god he's a hypocrite.

Bring it

Happening.

Well, I'm old school Gonzo so I see the coach motivating the players as one of his main roles. Along with devising a game plan and various other tasks & needs. I get your frustration but I've a strong feeling that Goodwin will be spending the next weeks/month having a very close look at the list. I'd be surprised if there aren't at least a few casualties. We need to make changes in order to give ourselves a chance to get much better.

He did miss 12 weeks of football, or did you forget, no player can lose that much football and come back at there best, also he would not have had trust in his hamstring after 12 weeks out, everyone is just brushing that a side its the biggest reason for the season he had, i suppose hogan should have been kicking 5 goals ever week since he played a couple of games and was out then played a couple more games then missed 8 weeks and plays a couple more games then bust his shoulder, then pulls a hammy no one can play well when they miss so much football.