Darren Shand - MFC Culture Review

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As we know, former All Blacks manager - Darren Shand was involved in the recent MFC cultural review. He was interviewed on SEN this morning. It was a 16 minute interview and he only spoke about the Dee's for a minute at the end, but it was interesting to hear his take which was contrary to what has been portrayed in the media. 

Link below:

Why the man who conducted Melbourne review has a very different perception of the Demons — SEN

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,842]

The media sensationalising things? No way!

[Demonland 72,538]

 

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Can someone tell us what he said. I can’t listen today

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We can all learn from this. 

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Just now, Roost it far said:

Can someone tell us what he said. I can’t listen today

Why the man who conducted Melbourne review has a very different perception of the Demons

Darren Shand believes the outside perception of the Melbourne Football Club is wrong.

The long-time All Blacks manager, who helped build the renowned culture of New Zealand’s famed national rugby union team, was a key component of the recent football department review undertaken by the Demons.

It came in the wake of apparent issues surrounding the likes of Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver and Joel Smith and the ensuing exits of CEO Gary Pert and president Kate Roffey.

Shand, the founder of leadership consultancy Winning Teams, insists that things under Simon Goodwin are nowhere near as bad as they are being perceived by the outside world.

“We got some players involved with the coach, the CEO and the Board,” he said on SEN Breakfast.

“My perspective of looking at the Dees was the world was saying they were falling apart. It was basically one plus one equals three.

“That wasn’t my experience at all. There was a couple of separate issues, but very solvable.

“The world just said, ‘The club is falling apart’. Yeah, the results weren’t great, but I still felt inside their environment a lot of the systems and structures were really good, a lot of the people are really good, the ambition was good.

“Once we set up that environment to think about what’s next and have a whole lot of players involved as well, it was awesome to watch it unfold.”

Having spent two decades working closely with the savagely successful All Blacks, Shand has a fair grasp on what good culture looks like.

He referenced the precedent set by Kiwi legends Richie McCaw and Dan Carter as the perfect example of what a strong culture is.

“If I reflect on the All Black time, culture is something you’ve got to see, you’ve got to feel, and you’ve got to be able to hear,” he said.

“It’s not what’s up on the walls, it’s what you see in an environment and how you feel things, and what it’s like every day. That defined that period I had there (with the All Blacks).

“It was a very honest place, the leadership was shared, it wasn’t a coach-driven environment.

“I look back at that era over about 10 years when we were number one in the world with McCaw and Carter, they were such important participants in the culture as well as the on-field (performance).

“The way they were inside the environment, how they turned up, how they behaved, who they were every day.

“Every single day Richie McCaw was the first player on the (training) field. I can’t recall a day where he wasn’t. Now that’s culture, that’s a leader setting the standard that he expects from everyone else.

“Those kind of things were the things that featured mostly for me.”

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So he said very little

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12 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Even that SEN quote is so misleading. It's taken completely out of context. They are shockers.

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1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

So he said very little

Pretty sure he said some people talk too much.

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1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

So he said very little

By this do you mean: he didn't say things which support my doomsaying?

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1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

So he said very little

he said enough. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,075]

I thought he spoke really well. The MFC had to make some changes, not wholesale changes, but they had to make the right changes 

i think so far we have seen that, now it has to work on the park…

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As @Katrina Dee Fan said on X, the media did influence our position in the Trade Period. We would have got Houston somehow and given Tim Lamb's ability to obtain magic beans, still probably both Langford and Lindsay.

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14 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

As @Katrina Dee Fan said on X, the media did influence our position in the Trade Period. We would have got Houston somehow and given Tim Lamb's ability to obtain magic beans, still probably both Langford and Lindsay.

I think it would've been Houston in and Lindsay out.

Don't think pick 5 would ever have been on the table.

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1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

As @Katrina Dee Fan said on X, the media did influence our position in the Trade Period. We would have got Houston somehow and given Tim Lamb's ability to obtain magic beans, still probably both Langford and Lindsay.

We may have got neither.

Port would have demanded #5 as the cornerstone of the trade but had precious little to give back.  Maybe some future later rounds.  The trade for pick #9 required every pick (except #5) in 2024 plus 2025 first.  So we may not have pick 9.

At best we would have Lindsay. 

Much rather Langford than Houston every day of the week especially after he showed his shallowness and disdain for the dees.  We are better off without him as we don't need that attitude and have the players to cover his role. 

Anyway, on topic.  Good to see our culture endorsed by Shand.  Looks like we need to recover our off-field behaviours and attitudes of 2021

Edited 9 hours ago by Lucifers Hero

[reynolds46 1,265]

what would Shand know in comparison to highly respected and qualified experts, full of integrity such as Damian Barrett, Tom Morris, Caroline Wilson, Sam McClure etc.?

 

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1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

As @Katrina Dee Fan said on X, the media did influence our position in the Trade Period. We would have got Houston somehow and given Tim Lamb's ability to obtain magic beans, still probably both Langford and Lindsay.

Where was this?

[Sir Why You Little 37,075]

I hope Shand stays around the club for a few years (Part time) You cannot get much better than 10 years at The All Blacks 

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2 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

As @Katrina Dee Fan said on X, the media did influence our position in the Trade Period. We would have got Houston somehow and given Tim Lamb's ability to obtain magic beans, still probably both Langford and Lindsay.

No chance we would have landed all 3

Houston would have been great, but not for pick 5. 
I think the right decision was made, even though it wasn’t the big story the media wanted. 
We have 2 young jets who will both play on the ‘G in 25

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Houston didn't want to come in the end. 

Managers do talk to others, players do talk to others. 

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5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

So he said very little

It was what he said, we are not a rabble, we are not falling apart, we have good people and we have good systems and processes in place. Different to what the press were saying about us.

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20 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Houston didn't want to come in the end. 

Managers do talk to others, players do talk to others. 

It happens….!!

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2 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

It happens….!!

Shhh..!

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[Webber 10,492]

That can’t be right. The media said we’re a shambles, a disgrace, a club in free-fall, etc etc etc. And they know, because they’re the media, and always stick to provable facts and evidence, never resort to exaggeration, outright lies, or, perish the thought, look to create a negative story where there just isn’t one. Ignore this Shand bloke, clearly doesn’t know hat he’s talking about. 
 

(Will the media change their story or methods as a result of this? No chance in a demon-laden hell). 

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51 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I hope Shand stays around the club for a few years (Part time) You cannot get much better than 10 years at The All Blacks 

I liked the way he referred to us as the Demons. Felt rather 'embedded'.

Does anyone know why he was available to us? He would presumably be well sought after. Is there a particular connection?