CASEY: Rd 12 vs Collingwood VFL

[Jaded No More 58,358]

39 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Because he should be in the AFL team.

He’s not playing in either. Knee is stuffed again. 

[Redleg 37,809]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

Deakin Smith has been really disappointing this year. Not sure what his future is. Seems to lack confidence 

Disagree. Today was ordinary but been good this season and he doesn’t lack footy confidence at all..

[Diamond_Jim 11,861]

45 minutes ago, deanox said:

I haven't watched Casey play this year and would appreciate the thoughts of anyone who has regarding Jefferson.

He has kicked 14 goals in 11 games this year, but not been named in the best players yet. I feel that a knack for finding goals is a good trait for a forward, even if he isn't earning them the traditional way (contested marks etc). Wondering how we think he is developing?

 

He's a work in progress.

He has often played with TMac, BBB and Schache in the forward line so his time upfront has been compromised.

Today he was ok without starring. Roscoe the Magpies fullback was very strong after quarter time

Hoping for glimpses at VFL level but the earliest I would expect him to challenge for an AFL game is second half of 2024

[Demons11 6,404]

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Hence why Schache isn’t getting a game in the seniors, what have we gained letting Weids go?

Schache wasn’t recruited to play every week and is a last resort.   Weed was no different, so the club gave him the chance to go play senior footy somewhere else.  It’s hardly rocket science 

[bing181 8,176]

1 hour ago, deanox said:

Was he a mystery injury withdrawal? I don't think he is a listed injury is he? And he has played recent weeks with Casey.

Not a withdrawal, wasn’t named in the team. Casey article said he and Turner were out injured, no details. 

[Roost it far 6,237]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Because he should be in the AFL team.

For what purpose? He’s cooked

[Roost it far 6,237]

1 hour ago, deanox said:

I haven't watched Casey play this year and would appreciate the thoughts of anyone who has regarding Jefferson.

He has kicked 14 goals in 11 games this year, but not been named in the best players yet. I feel that a knack for finding goals is a good trait for a forward, even if he isn't earning them the traditional way (contested marks etc). Wondering how we think he is developing?

 

Won’t make it. I’ll get slammed for this opinion but that’s what I think. Today he had no BBB or TMac crowding his space and was largely ineffective. I’m yet to see any appealing traits bar a decent pair of hands. Plays with all the presence of a school kid 

[Jaded No More 58,358]

5 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Won’t make it. I’ll get slammed for this opinion but that’s what I think. Today he had no BBB or TMac crowding his space and was largely ineffective. I’m yet to see any appealing traits bar a decent pair of hands. Plays with all the presence of a school kid 

He’s 18. He is a kid. 
I think he has a lot of raw talent and skills to work with. He needs a good pre season to put the weight on and get his fitness up. He will not debut before he’s 20-21 IMO and that’s ok. 

[COOLX 141]

We seem to have to many "non forwards" in Jefferson,Seston and the Schack and possibly B.Brown. Schack and Tomlinson (after he has been dropped )  need to alternate between forward and defence as we need another younger version of T.Mac . I would run Jefferson on the ball this will improve his engine. Casey winning a flag is not important but development is. Fancy our non afl players are amongst our best, their is something wrong perhaps the coach needs to go along with other coaching staff.

[chook fowler 18,327]

37 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Disagree. Today was ordinary but been good this season and he doesn’t lack footy confidence at all..

Pleased to be corrected 

[Roger Mellie 3,530]

Schache had a great game last week playing forward and ruck (taking over from Bell) and kicking 4 goals. It was a good enough game to put his name in front of the match committee for tomorrow's game. Today he had a stinker. It shows the gulf between his best and non-competitive worst.

[Bystander 879]

15 minutes ago, COOLX said:

We seem to have to many "non forwards" in Jefferson,Seston and the Schack and possibly B.Brown. Schack and Tomlinson (after he has been dropped )  need to alternate between forward and defence as we need another younger version of T.Mac . I would run Jefferson on the ball this will improve his engine. Casey winning a flag is not important but development is. Fancy our non afl players are amongst our best, their is something wrong perhaps the coach needs to go along with other coaching staff.

Disagree. Winning a flag is always important. You can't take that attitude to any sporting contest. If it isn't in Australia's constitution it should be. Not only is it particularly  important to followers and non listed players, the listed players should be doing their best in every game and to win the grand final. And it is fair to include general endeavour in their assessments.

Plus, have a look at the photos of the team after last year's grand final. Listed and non listed players were rapt.

[whatwhat say what 19,157]

31 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Won’t make it. I’ll get slammed for this opinion but that’s what I think. Today he had no BBB or TMac crowding his space and was largely ineffective. I’m yet to see any appealing traits bar a decent pair of hands. Plays with all the presence of a school kid 

i don't know how you have this opinion given what he shows - he marks it well, kicks it well, crashed packs today

he needs to build up muscle mass and work on fitness but there's a lot to work with because the most important thing as a forward is that he gets to contests

when the main forward he's hit the scoreboard multiple times throughout the season, much as he did today as the sole tall forward target as shache had to play in the ruck as farris-white and valentine were completely lacking the ability to compete against the filth's rucks

the biggest knock i'd have on jefferson so far is that he doesn't run hard defensively but i'm hoping it can be taught to him as there's plenty to like about his development

[Tarax Club 3,023]

Bright spots on the Casey radar appear to be another consistent performances from 'Bones' Howes, Jefferson Ford hitting the scoreboard and Andy Moniz-Wakefield's performance after a recent return from injury. That 'rainmaker' snap he kicked for goal was also accurate. Boy has some x-factor about him.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Tarax Club

[Demonland 65,691]

NIGHTMARE by KC from Casey

Late in the opening term of their game at Casey Fields on Sunday afternoon, the Casey Demons were dominating and held a lead of 31 points over Collingwood VFL. Was it the wind advantage? The fortress is well known at this time of the season for the strong winds that can mess with a game but that wasn’t the case this time. The way the hosts were playing, it looked as if a Magpie nightmare was about to unfold.

But alas for Casey, that was not to be and rather, it was exactly the opposite as from that point in things fell apart for the reigning VFL premier. They were uncharacteristically held goalless in the second term, managed only one in the third and took until halfway through the last before kicking a couple of goals that were too late to avert another bad loss at home that has seem them lose touch with the top echelon of teams on the VFL premiership table.

The story began well before the opening bounce. With two key Melbourne listed key position talls in Harry Petty and Tom McDonald and rookie ruckman Will Verrall already out injured, the Casey Demons were struck a body blow with injuries to full forward Ben Brown, key defender Daniel Turner and ruckman Jack Bell and the unavailability of Matt Buntine forcing a major recasting of the side that left it undermanned and undersized. 

When the Magpies made their comeback in the second quarter, their efforts were aided by the fact that the Casey Demons lacked the big men to go with the Magpies who dominated the air in the last three quarters.

That dominance began in the ruck where their super tall men feasted on a young light bodied learner in rookie Kyah Farris-White who recently has been plying his trade in the Coates Talent League. The youngster tried hard in the ruck but struggled around the ground and in the air. Teammate Josh Schache was also conscripted into the ruck and while he too worked hard in the ruck duels, he had his hands full with the Collingwood big men. To compound the situation, Magpie forward Nathan “Freddy” Kreuger turned things around and gave Casey coach Taylor Whitford a nightmare of his own with his strong marking and accurate kicking for his five goals.

For the Demons, it’s hard to fathom where they would have been without the return from injury of Jimmy Munro who finished the game with 21 disposals and 10 bone crunching tackles.

Early in the game youngster Matt Jefferson was dangerous up forward with the first two goals of the game but lack of opportunity kept him to only one more for the day. Another youngster in Andy Moniz-Wakefield was busy throughout and contributed a nice goal. He was unlucky not to get a second but it was touched by a teammate as it went through. Blake Howes was another young Demon who worked hard against the odds with 28 possessions that must see him closing in on an AFL debut.

Casey listed players Roan Steele and George Grey gave their hard working skipper strong support on the day and Ryan Baldi also worked hard. 

The defeat sees Casey drop to 7th on the ladder, a situation that is not likely to improve in the short terms as the Demons have a bye next weekend.

CASEY DEMONS 5.4.34 5.6.36 6.10.46 8.11.59

COLLINGWOOD VFL 1.2.8 6.3.39 9.3.57 11.7.73

GOALS

CASEY DEMONS Jefferson 3 White 2 Melksham Moniz-Wakefield Neocleous 

COLLINGWOOD VFL Krueger 5 Longmire T Wilson 2 Kelly Steene 

BEST 

CASEY DEMONS Munro Howes Moniz-Wakefield Steele White Grey

COLLINGWOOD VFL Krueger Steene Jetta Ruscoe Begg Bianco 

Statistics 

Jed Adams 1 kick 3 handballs 4 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 16 dream team points
Riley Baldi 9 kicks 6 handballs 15 disposals 5 marks 54 dream team points
Luke Dunstan 7 kicks 12 handballs 19 disposals  1 mark 1 tackle 52 dream team points 
Kyah Farris-White 1 kicks 4 handballs 5 disposals 1 mark 2 tackles 15 hit outs 33 dream team points
Tom Freeman 8 kicks 1 handball 9 disposals 2 marks 29 dream team points
George Grey 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 56 dream team points
Blake Howes 15 kicks 13 handballs 28 disposals 6 marks 2 tackles 94 dream team points
Matt Jefferson 3 goals 1 behind 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 52 dream team points
Bailey Laurie 9 kicks 10 handballs 19 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 60 dream team points
Cooper Macdonald 3 kicks 3 disposals 2 tackles 14 dream team points
Tom McRae 1 behind 5 kicks 5 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 27 dream team points
Jake Melksham 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 6 handballs 16 disposals 6 marks 1 tackle 69 dream team points
Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 goal 11 kicks 7 handballs 18 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 91 dream team points 
James Munro 11 kicks 10 handballs 21 disposals 3 marks 10 tackles 108 my dream team points
Harvey Neocleous 1 goal 6 kicks 2 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 35 dream team points
Charlie Peters 8 kicks 5 handballs 13 disposals 1 tackle 39 dream team points
Josh Schache 7 kicks 7 handballs 14 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 17 hit outs 70 dream team points
Oliver Sestan 1 behind 5 kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 4 tackles 49 dream team points
Miles Shepherd 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 37 dream team points
Deaykin Smith 3 kicks 5 handballs 8 disposals 2 tackles 24 dream team points
Roan Steele 14 kicks 7 handballs 21 disposals 4 marks 5 tackles 89 dream team points 
Ryan Valentine 2 behinds 5 kicks 5 handballs 10 disposals 4 marks 5 tackles 8 hit outs 65 dream team points
Mitch White 2 goals 15 kicks 6 handballs 21 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 69 dream team points

[spirit of norm smith 13,071]

Disappointing loss. But too many out and others certainly under performed.  Howes was the one who looked like he’d step up if given a chance. Hopefully soon.  

[Cranky Franky 1,493]

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Disagree. Today was ordinary but been good this season and he doesn’t lack footy confidence at all..

I thought Deakyn was going to be a gun a couple of years ago but he has gone backwards. He's inconsistent & no better than Casey's VFL players.

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

15 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Won’t make it. I’ll get slammed for this opinion but that’s what I think. Today he had no BBB or TMac crowding his space and was largely ineffective. I’m yet to see any appealing traits bar a decent pair of hands. Plays with all the presence of a school kid 

Glass fully empty type....Wow that harsh criticism, and pure guesswork for his future.

BBB And TMac have not even been getting bags of 3 goals lately.

I would say you are going much too early on a kid who has a few years to develop properly. 

Not every tall forward is ready to go at 18 or 19.  

Another 6-8Kg next year and he will be much improved.

Stop bashing our kids...it is UTTERLY pointless....Just shows you to be particularly impatient or petty.  

Glad i am not your kid!

[spirit of norm smith 13,071]

Yes I agree with posts about Deakyn Smith. I’d like to see him keep on developing. Overall he’s improved so far this year.  
However at the moment, he’s still not a lock to stay on the list.  
 

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,014]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:12 PM, Roost it far said:

Won’t make it. I’ll get slammed for this opinion but that’s what I think. Today he had no BBB or TMac crowding his space and was largely ineffective. I’m yet to see any appealing traits bar a decent pair of hands. Plays with all the presence of a school kid 

Puts him in front of about 700 other AFL players on this front alone then.

[Bystander 879]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:12 PM, Roost it far said:

Won’t make it. I’ll get slammed for this opinion but that’s what I think. Today he had no BBB or TMac crowding his space and was largely ineffective. I’m yet to see any appealing traits bar a decent pair of hands. Plays with all the presence of a school kid 

I've watched nearly all the Casey games this year and have been extremely sceptical about Jefferson. Can mark, kick and read play. But so so easily pushed around and no physical presence. Hesitant in contest. This week he showed a lot more but still brushed aside. Some softish games coming up, finals and some months adding in pre season adding some muscle and I think the dees have a player.