Jump to content

Featured Replies

Given Harmes, JJ and Dunstan leaving as the midfield depth, the quote from the club to the journos, on our trading this year,  probably sums it up for this off season.

We will get McAdam and maybe Flynn or another ruckman. We may have a pick in the pre season or mid season draft, if they are still happening.

We will try and get as high as we can in the draft and take 4-5 of the best players we can get. These draftees will be on base salaries.

There may be a mid or two in that group.

However, we also have to try out our current talent in Woey, Laurie, Howes and maybe AMW to see if they are up to it and they could all possibly play midfield minutes.

We also can try the likes of Kozzie, Rivers, McVee and Bowey in the midfield, to see how they go, with Kozzie already demonstrating his ability, in the few times he was there. Even Spargo played midfield as a junior.

Then next year, with cap space freed up this year from the names we all know leaving and next year with at least BBB and Tom Mac retired and another $1m freed up with just those two, we could be in a position to really launch at a couple of FA's.

I would be surprised if on the current info, the above is far off expected our position.

Edited by Redleg

 
44 minutes ago, DubDee said:

A reasonable assumption

However, losing Brown, Melksham, Hibberd, Jordon, Harmes and bringing in draft picks you would imagine we have at least some money in the kitty.  Not saying they are on big coin but they would be around double what kids would be on.  And this is assuming long term contracts could be back ended

We haven’t lost Brown (or T Mc) yet and even if we do their money probably stays in the 2024 cap. Melksham, at a minimum will be owed match payments for 2024, so no real saving there.

Probably have to pay a chunk of Harmes’ deal to play elsewhere too. 

JJ and Hibberd, not big money there. At least half, if not 80% of Grundy’s money probably goes to finding a replacement. 

Im guessing we don’t have the space to bring in a big deal and there’s no point trying when it costs a stack of quality picks that we need to refresh the list. Wait a year and we can target someone and pay for it with junk picks!

I really don't think our window is tied to Max or even May for that matter.

At the moment, IMO, our success hinges on Oliver, Petracca, Lever and Petty. May is important for 2024, but beyond that, I hope we can draft O'Sullivan this year and make do defensively, while improving our forward half.

 

 

1 minute ago, Binmans PA said:

I really don't think our window is tied to Max or even May for that matter.

At the moment, IMO, our success hinges on Oliver, Petracca, Lever and Petty. May is important for 2024, but beyond that, I hope we can draft O'Sullivan this year and make do defensively, while improving our forward half.

I tend to agree re: Max though I think we need to find a decent forward / ruck foil or else we'll burn him ou sooner than we'd like. 

May on the other hand, he's worth 5 - 6 goals every week. Rarely, if ever, get's beaten even against the absolute best forwards and he captains the backline equal to anyone else I've seen. Maybe Glen Jakovich was the last one to do it as well as he does?  

37 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I really don't think our window is tied to Max or even May for that matter.

At the moment, IMO, our success hinges on Oliver, Petracca, Lever and Petty. May is important for 2024, but beyond that, I hope we can draft O'Sullivan this year and make do defensively, while improving our forward half.

Max is so much more than just a great ruckman tho. I think he will leave a big hole on and off the field. 


2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Max is so much more than just a great ruckman tho. I think he will leave a big hole on and off the field. 

Sure, but we can cover him. Particularly, if he's no longer the Max of old.

3 hours ago, MoeSyzlak said:

I think Binman was referring to John Fogerty from Credence Clearwater Revival (CCR)

Poor old Tom always gets pushed into the shadows.

Chol to Hawks?
Grundy to Sydney? 
Jordon to Sydney? 
Gresham to Bombers? 
Mckay to Bombers? 
Henry to Hawks? 
Shiel to Saints? 
Wines to Cats? 
McAdam to Dees? 
Flynn to Eagles? 
E Himmelberg to Giants? 
E Hollands to Blues? 
Dow to Swans? 
Goldstein to Bombers? 
Sweet to Power? 
Zerk-Thatcher to Power? 
Ratugolea to Power? 
Billings to ?????

 
12 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Poor old Tom always gets pushed into the shadows.

Tom is the Oscar of the Fogarty family 


1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

I really don't think our window is tied to Max or even May for that matter.

At the moment, IMO, our success hinges on Oliver, Petracca, Lever and Petty. May is important for 2024, but beyond that, I hope we can draft O'Sullivan this year and make do defensively, while improving our forward half.

 

47 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Sure, but we can cover him. Particularly, if he's no longer the Max of old.

Max can take over games and was that in the QF that we should have won. 

He is not just a ruckman and nor is he any old leader. 

The FD tried to do him (and our window) a favour and evolve him into a backup for 3-4 more years but Max can’t do it. 

He’ll most likely be out of the game by 2025. And with May being one of the top 5 FBs in the game also being out around then - our window will not be letting much of a breeze in.

We need to replace that elite talent - it doesn’t have to necessarily be in the same positions but a couple of a stars will soon be white dwarves and that’s a problem.

Can someone provide summary of this article?

 

Melbourne could swoop in and steal ruckman Matt Flynn from under West Coast’s noses.
 
Flynn played well in the opening nine games of the season for the Giants when he averaged 12 disposals and 29 hit-outs. He fell behind Kieran Briggs and played the rest of the season in the VFL.
 
Eagles coach Adam Simpson has publicly said that he eyes Bailey Williams as a forward-ruck in the long-term rather than the No.1 man in the middle.
 
Greater Western Sydney football boss Jason McCartney said Flynn had yet to decide what he wanted to do before the free agency period opens on Friday.
 
“We haven’t been in the position to offer Matt a contract, so him and (his manager) Scott Lucas have done the right thing and explored options,” McCartney told Trade Radio.
 
“He’s looking for that opportunity to play more regular football. He did it earlier in the year with us but obviously, Kieran Briggs really stood up and shone through in the second half of the year."
 
“It’s fair to say he’s probably weighing up options now between West Coast and Melbourne of what it looks like, but I don’t think he’s come to a final decision on what that looks like yet."
 
“Those clubs will hear more soon as we will.”
6 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:
Melbourne could swoop in and steal ruckman Matt Flynn from under West Coast’s noses.
 
Flynn played well in the opening nine games of the season for the Giants when he averaged 12 disposals and 29 hit-outs. He fell behind Kieran Briggs and played the rest of the season in the VFL.
 
Eagles coach Adam Simpson has publicly said that he eyes Bailey Williams as a forward-ruck in the long-term rather than the No.1 man in the middle.
 
Greater Western Sydney football boss Jason McCartney said Flynn had yet to decide what he wanted to do before the free agency period opens on Friday.
 
“We haven’t been in the position to offer Matt a contract, so him and (his manager) Scott Lucas have done the right thing and explored options,” McCartney told Trade Radio.
 
“He’s looking for that opportunity to play more regular football. He did it earlier in the year with us but obviously, Kieran Briggs really stood up and shone through in the second half of the year."
 
“It’s fair to say he’s probably weighing up options now between West Coast and Melbourne of what it looks like, but I don’t think he’s come to a final decision on what that looks like yet."
 
“Those clubs will hear more soon as we will.”

Thanks for that. Does anyone have the Herald Sun article?


12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can someone provide summary of this article?

 

Jay Clark suggesting we should trade in Lobb because the Dogs don’t want/need him and we need a forward. 

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Jay Clark suggesting we should trade in Lobb because the Dogs don’t want/need him and we need a forward. 

Not terrible but no actual news.

26 minutes ago, rpfc said:

 

Max can take over games and was that in the QF that we should have won. 

He is not just a ruckman and nor is he any old leader. 

The FD tried to do him (and our window) a favour and evolve him into a backup for 3-4 more years but Max can’t do it. 

He’ll most likely be out of the game by 2025. And with May being one of the top 5 FBs in the game also being out around then - our window will not be letting much of a breeze in.

We need to replace that elite talent - it doesn’t have to necessarily be in the same positions but a couple of a stars will soon be white dwarves and that’s a problem.

I agree we need to keep replenishing our elite talent, and I also agree thst Max isn't just any old ruckman.

But you take Max out of the game and it means we have to play differently. Perhaps it means less long bombs to the wing? Sometimes being without makes you better and more unpredictable.

4 minutes ago, Cheap Seats said:

Not terrible but no actual news.

You’re right. It’s not terrible, but horrendous. 


Bulldogs have young Darcy to return. In the first round or two they played Darcy as well as Naughton, JUH and Lobb forward. It didn't work.

Darcy went down back and then to VFL and then was cruelled by injury. He should be right for 2024.

Lobb was played on the wing and was dropped towards the end of the season.

Dogs would be open to a low cost transfer and might be prepared to throw in some money to assist.

Do we want him? He rucked occasionally at Freo as I recall

36 minutes ago, Megatron said:

You’re right. It’s not terrible, but horrendous. 

Why?

 

The only issue with Lobb is if Max gets injured, Lobb can't or won't want to assume the no. 1 ruck. He's a better forward/ruck than Flynn, but Flynn can step up as a no.1 ruck.

 

Just a reminder that this year's Norm Smith medal went to a guy that was traded for what amounted to a future second-rounder.

You don't always have to take big name players to do well out of the draft.


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 10

    The Sir Doug Nicholls Round kicks off in Darwin with a Top 4 clash between the Suns and the Hawks. On Friday night the Swans will be seeking to rebound from a challenging start to the season, while the Blues have the Top 8 in their sights after their sluggish start. Saturdays matches kick off with a blockbuster between the Collingwood and Kuwarna with the Magpies looking to maintain their strong form and the Crows aiming to make a statement on the road. The Power face a difficult task to revive their season against a resilient Cats side looking to make amends for their narrow loss last week. The Giants aim to reinforce their top-eight status, while the Dockers will be looking to break the travel hoodoo. The sole Saturday game is a critical matchup for both teams, as the Bulldogs strive to cemet their spot in the top six and the Bombers desperately want break into the 8. Sundays start with a bottom 3 clash between the Tigers and Kangaroos with both teams wanting to avoid the being in wooden spoon contention. The Round concludes with the Eagles still searching for their first win of the season, while the Saints look to keep their finals hopes alive with a crucial away victory. Who are you tipping and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • Thanks
    • 2 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Brisbane

    And just like that, we’re Narrm again. Even though the annual AFL Sir Doug Nicholls Round which commemorates the contributions of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture to our game has been a welcome addition to our calendar for ten years, more lately it has been a portent of tough times ahead for we beleaguered Narrm supporters. Ever since the club broke through for its historic 2021 premiership, this has become a troubling time of the year for the club. For example, it all began when Melbourne rebranded itself as Narrm across the two rounds of the Sir Doug Nicholls Round to become the first club to adopt an Indigenous club name especially for the occasion. It won its first outing under the brand against lowly North Melbourne to go to 10 wins and no losses but not without a struggle or a major injury to  star winger Ed Langdon who broke his ribs and missed several weeks. In the following week, still as Narrm, the team’s 17 game winning streak came to an end at the hands of the Dockers. That came along with more injuries, a plague that remained with them for the remainder of the season until, beset by injuries, the Dees were eliminated from the finals in straight sets. It was even worse last year, when Narrm inexplicably lowered its colours in Perth to the Waalit Marawar Eagles. Oh, the shame of it all! At least this year, if there is a corner to turn around, it has to be in the direction of something better. To that end, I produced a special pre-game chant in the local Narrm language - “nam mi:wi winnamun katjil prolin ambi ngamar thamelin amb” which roughly translated is “every heart beats true for the red and the blue.” >y belief is that if all of the Narrm faithful recite it long enough, then it might prove to be the only way to beat the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Sunday. The Lions are coming off a disappointing draw at Marvel Stadium against a North Melbourne team that lacks the ability and know how to win games (except when playing Melbourne). Brisbane are, however, a different kettle of fish at home and have very few positional weaknesses. They are a midfield powerhouse, strong in defence and have plenty of forward options, particularly their small and medium sized players, to kick a winning score this week after the sting of last week’s below par performance.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 9 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Hawthorn

    There was a time during the current Melbourne cycle that goes back to before the premiership when the club was the toughest to beat in the fourth quarter. The Demons were not only hard to beat at any time but it was virtually impossible to get the better them when scores were close at three quarter time. It was only three or four years ago but they were fit, strong and resilient in body and mind. Sadly, those days are over. This has been the case since the club fell off its pedestal about 12 months ago after it beat Geelong and then lost to Carlton. In both instances, Melbourne put together strong, stirring final quarters, one that resulted in victory, the other, in defeat. Since then, the drop off has been dramatic to the point where it can neither pull off victory in close matches, nor can it even go down in defeat  gallantly.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Footscray

    At twenty-four minutes into the third term of the game between the Casey Demons and Footscray VFL at Whitten Oval, the visitors were coasting. They were winning all over the ground, had the ascendancy in the ruck battles and held a 26 point lead on a day perfect for football. What could go wrong? Everything. The Bulldogs moved into overdrive in the last five minutes of the term and booted three straight goals to reduce the margin to a highly retrievable eight points at the last break. Bouyed by that effort, their confidence was on a high level during the interval and they ran all over the despondent Demons and kicked another five goals to lead by a comfortable margin of four goals deep into the final term before Paddy Cross kicked a couple of too late goals for a despondent Casey. A testament to their lack of pressure in the latter stages of the game was the fact that Footscray’s last ten scoring shots were nine goals and one rushed behind. Things might have been different for the Demons who went into the game after last week’s bye with 12 AFL listed players. Blake Howes was held over for the AFL game but two others, Jack Billings and Taj Woewodin (not officially listed as injured) were also missing and they could have been handy at the end. Another mystery of the current VFL system.

      • Thanks
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Brisbane

    The Demons head back out on the road in Round 10 when they travel to Queensland to take on the reigning Premiers and the top of the table Lions who look very formidable. Can the Dees cause a massive upset? Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 149 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect the Demons loss to the Hawks. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 52 replies
    Demonland