Welcome to Demonland Matthew Jefferson

[adonski 11,814]

8 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Somewhat disappointed as I think he's a very 'un JT/Melbourne' player in terms of competitiveness and physicality. JTs KPF drafting has been his weak spot and all else being equal, this is a very similar pick to Weideman albeit without the spectre of the McKay or Curnow misses. 

Like with Weideman, my concern is you can't teach physicality. It's innate in some, lacking in others. Jesse had it from day dot, JVR has it. Weid looked a million bucks with a run and jump (which if you recall, was his touted draft strength) but at AFL level you just rarely get the opportunity to attack an aerial ball unbuffeted. Hopefully Jefferson has a few more strings to his bow. 

I really do hate to be critical of an 18 year old kid who hasn't played a game and presents well. But it feels like a story we've watched to the end before. 

Having said all of that - I'll be right behind him, hope I'm so far wrong and he's Josh Kennedy reincarnated.

Feels like you could apply all of his flaws to Max King 

[demoniac 1,330]

Highlight reel reminds me of Jarrad Waite. Hopefully minus the suspensions and injuries.

Suspect he’ll spend next year at Casey as he puts on more size.

[Monbon 1,840]

10 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I'd more be face plaming that you referred to him as a defector.  Yeah Weid left the MFC, but I think it was a move that all parties were comfortable with based on him getting a fresh start and likewise for us and Schache, with the Bulldogs.  Weid was going nowhere at the MFC for the past 2 seasons.  Hardly a defection.

Won't argue with that: Ilove the guy, I wish him all the best...

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Monbon

[Little Goffy 14,451]

So, now we do a quick trade to jump into the early picks tomorrow and grab Barnett & Keeler, added to Jefferson and our new rookie Faris-White, and we'll have a solid 8m draft.

[Adam The God 30,126]

15 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Watching the highlights he certainly moves a lot like Charlie Curnow.

Very bouncy player.

*Edit 

Just seen your Curnow comparison then @A F.

It's funny. As soon as his name was called out and they were playing his highlights, I said to myself, that's Charlie Curnow. Shifter then came on and said he plays like the King Brothers (not something that I really see) and then Jefferson comes on and says he compares himself to Charlie Curnow. 

When you've got that x factor in the air, it can compensate for a lack of physicality at ground level IMO.

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Obviously will need Casey time to develop and fill out a bit but there seems to he enough there to work with.

Some similarities to Watts more so than Cook for mine. Build, goal kicking action, confident but laconic. Seemed slightly quicker than Watts though.

I wont get too carried away with a highlights package but marking seems to be a strength. Good hands, timing is good, protects the space against similar types and can leap.

How will it translate to AFL level?

Watch this space.

[monoccular 17,413]

13 minutes ago, A F said:

I much prefer Fordy as a nickname for him.

Is number #40 available?  Would be a bit of a aide de memoir until we learn to recognize him. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,799]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

Welcome MJ. Now you've got two choices son. Are you going to follow the TMAC or the BBB diet?

Both definitely better options than the David Schwartz post reco diet!

[Demonland 71,592]

 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,799]

1 hour ago, adonski said:

We played JVR in the reserves the entire year, I don't think we have a large emphasis on selecting ready to go players

Few key position players are ready to go from juniors.

34 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

my concern is you can't teach physicality. It's innate in some, lacking in others. Jesse had it from day dot, JVR has it.

Jesse was somewhat of an exception.  A bit of a man-child.  Unfortunately at times, it almost seems like he stayed that way with some of his dummy spits on the feild.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,836]

Sheez, hope we don't play Maysie on him in the intra-club games. Charges could escalate from common assault to manslaughter. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Queanbeyan Demon

[McQueen 17,864]

54 minutes ago, 1858 said:

Obviously will need Casey time to develop and fill out a bit but there seems to he enough there to work with.

Some similarities to Watts more so than Cook for mine. Build, goal kicking action, confident but laconic. Seemed slightly quicker than Watts though.

I wont get too carried away with a highlights package but marking seems to be a strength. Good hands, timing is good, protects the space against similar types and can leap.

How will it translate to AFL level?

Watch this space.

Cook was a Barry Prendergast brain fart. I can’t see how this could be any comparison whatsoever. 
Watts was a gifted footballer that unfortunately did lack physicality and strength in contest. Goodwin quite rightly marched him out the door. 
I would be absolutely gobsmacked that we would invest in Jefferson where ‘contest’ is our number 1 philosophy and didn’t think he’s got the mental attributes. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by McQueen

[dazzledavey36 54,279]

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Cook was a Craig Cameron brain fart. I can’t see how this could be any comparison whatsoever. 
Watts was a gifted footballer that unfortunately did lack physicality and strength in contest. Goodwin quite rightly marched him out the door. 
I would be absolutely gobsmacked that we would invest in Jefferson where ‘contest’ is our number 1 philosophy and didn’t think he’s got the mental attributes. 

*Barry Prendagast

[John Demonic 5,748]

Were any key forwards drafted ahead of our pick? Haven't followed the kids at all.

Edited November 28, 2022 by John Demonic

[Palace Dees 2,275]

6 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Were any key forwards drafted ahead of our pick? Haven't followed the kids at all.

Nope

[DeeSpencer 25,468]

2 minutes ago, Palace Dees said:

Nope

Think you missed pick 1 there.

[Palace Dees 2,275]

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Think you missed pick 1 there.

True, I was thinking another realistic option for us but you are correct. 

[BAMF 4,299]

15 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Were any key forwards drafted ahead of our pick? Haven't followed the kids at all.

Cadman was pick 1. Jefferson was always likely to be the second key forward taken at around our pick.

[Axis of Bob 11,684]

Really like him as a player from what I've seen, so very happy with the pick.

Really controls the space in marking contests will, so he takes some fairly unconventional marks when out of position. It's an unusual skill and it reminds me a bit of Tom Lynch in that regard. He's obviously a lot more mobile than Lynch but also not at the same size (nor running capacity). 

He'll take time to build up size and running power but he has all the raw tools (and tricks) that you need to play as a key forward .... even if that may not be right away.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,826]

1 hour ago, Monbon said:

I note the face palm from Lord Nev

Wear it as a badge of honour! 

Didn’t even realise the draft was on tonight. Not long ago it was one of those things I wouldn’t have missed. Welcome Jeff. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Ethan Tremblay

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

1 hour ago, demoniac said:

Highlight reel reminds me of Jarrad Waite. Hopefully minus the suspensions and injuries.

Suspect he’ll spend next year at Casey as he puts on more size.

I kind of get Matthew Richardson vibes with his great marking abilities and goal sense.

Edited November 28, 2022 by Caligula's cohort

[DeeSpencer 25,468]

I think the highlights are overselling his ground ball work. 

Pre-injury Charlie Curnow was mobile enough to  play as a midfielder. I don't think Jefferson is anywhere near that level of mobility.

But he's got a touch of class when he gets the ball which is the sign of a good player. And he's well aware that he has to contribute in that aspect of play which I really like.

I love the Jarrad Waite call. He was a key forward with a heap of talent  and nice all-round game who really took until late in his career to get the best out of himself.

El Jefe compares himself to Naughton who is just insanely brave and also probably the best pack mark from any key forward. Yeah, I'd be pretty happy with that.

 

[John Demonic 5,748]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Think you missed pick 1 there.

Did not watch the draft, but yeah, not sure how I forgot Cadman. He's been off the table for us for the last few months that I'd totally forgotten he initially had a thread here on DL and discussions about us taking him with a high pick, before he became consensus #1 🤦‍♂️

Edited November 28, 2022 by John Demonic

[picket fence 17,049]

7 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Thought we’d go more ready made since were in our window, but can’t complain as he looks a talent. He’ll need a few years in the gym, but if he can clunk marks like that at AFL level he’ll be a player.

Welcome to the Dees Jefferson Jefferson Jefferson Ford!

Ready mades Peter Hudson and Peter Mc Kenna are perhaps just a tad past it though!

[M_9 2,078]

"Cook was a Barry Prendergast brain fart. I can’t see how this could be any comparison whatsoever."

That may be so but Casey did us no favour by recruiting Fevola which stymied Cook's development.

Fevola demanded to be played at FF and Cook didn't have the body to be played at CHF.

Not sure how well JVR and MJ will develop if they're side by side at Casey.

IMO a tad different than playing two talls in the Seniors FF line.

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