Too many dropped marks in defence led to goals. Got to hold ’em!

  On 02/04/2022 at 00:52, Stiff Arm said:

Said pre game to my mate that if the Weid kicks 4 does he hold his place. If so, who's spot does he take when BBB comes back? We concluded it would be Tmac.

However, Weid is similar to BBB in that he mostly works from goal inside 50. Tmac has the aerobic capacity to work high and deep, and he can play back.

Will be an interesting dilemma for the selection committee this week.

I suspect Weid will go back to Casey.

But I hope not.

I reckon BBB and Weid will both play key forwards in future and Tmac will start on the bench and be the swingman for key positions forward and back and Wing. Great position to be in and gives us ultimate flexibility. 
 

interesting to note that in an interview recently Tmac reminded everyone about his credentials as a key back. Whether this was securing his position or not, it means that he is happy playing both forward and back and provides us with considerable gameday flexibility. 

  On 02/04/2022 at 18:47, Engorged Onion said:

Great stuff @Skuit  - 2020 figures accurate? Seems a marked decrease in overall output.... was that a covid impact? Was he injured (he's durable) I can't recall???

17 game season and 16 minute quarters

  On 02/04/2022 at 14:19, Skuit said:

Also, for those at the ground, what's the story with Langdon and Brayshaw playing footsies together on the same wing most of the night?  Was Jordon on the other wing and Gus pushing up from half-back, or was there some strange tactical thing going on where we stacked our other side with talls and let the wingers' club run rampant together on the other knowing we could win the contested? 

Brayshaw was in the backline (playing the Salem role?) If you watch the replay after the Bombers kick a couple of goals in the 3rd quarter he's in the defenders huddle.

  On 01/04/2022 at 11:47, DEE fence said:

The cheats came out swinging we rolled with it, but the cleanest passages of play were all ours, and the way we get out of jail in defensive half is a joy to watch. Gus Bowey and Langdon just did wonders for us in the back 50. Hunt actually started ok and I thought it was his best game of the 3 so far in 2022, still wouldn’t mind if he was dropped but he has improved. Harmes was stiff to not get in my votes but I was angry when he missed Jacks with the HB. So happy for Weid, have been a fan for awhile, and he really took a chance, am still worried about him getting sucked under the flight of the ball, but then he played to his strength of playing on lead and he was one grabbing not juggling which for me was a super positive sign. Smith had some boo boos but he saved a goal in the middle on Stringer in a marking contest, just as stringer was starting to run hot, Stringer didn’t feature after that, he is in the team before Hunt for mine. Stringer for all that he is a germ is a very strong SOB I thought this was a big game moment for Smith. 

Also, this game was close because we let them in it, it was our equal worst set shot conversion in two years. We would have killed them if we had been a bit straighter they would have been in their shells. They will think they are good because they pushed us a little when in reality they turn the ball over far too much to be a flag threat.

On the lead he looks the goods, in a contested situation he still looks terrible. The Dons defence is really good at the body push, the chest into the back and drove the player forward and they convincingly out positioned Weid and pushed him under the flight of the back. BBB is needed back to allow Woes to play to his strength which is as a lead up fwd, that is his skill. Let’s use it to get the best out of him and for the team. Get his straight on goal kicking right/his confidence going and he is a different prospect for teams to worry about.

PS why the hell do you take him off in the first qrt after his goal?! He was really up and about, it just lost all momentum for him and the team.

 

  On 02/04/2022 at 23:07, Cards13 said:

 

PS why the hell do you take him off in the first qrt after his goal?! He was really up and about, it just lost all momentum for him and the team.

 

Agree. This has to be looked at. You have a bloke who has taken a few marks and kicked a goal in his game back to try and kickstart his career and then you completely stop his and the team’s momentum.

  On 02/04/2022 at 23:07, Cards13 said:

PS why the hell do you take him off in the first qrt after his goal?! He was really up and about, it just lost all momentum for him and the team.

Or Charlie Spargo... didn't even acknowledge anyone really as he drilled his from 40...(old mate can't kick to far eh? #charliemyths) just kept running in an arc to the boundary line and onwards to the bench! It's a rare occasion he cracks a smile... all about the business!

Edited April 2, 20223 yr by Engorged Onion

The one thing I hate about modern football are statisticians running the resting of players after they kick a goal and not seeing that this player is hot and should be left on the field to take advantage of their form not sitting on the pine.

In the GF I believe that Burgess decided to take the reins of the player movement and guess what!

The statisticians only look at GPS numbers not watching the play and getting a feel for the games ebb and flow.

When I was at the MFC I told a statistician there is only 1 stat that counts and thats the result on the scoreboard but he argued with me because he had the football IQ of a gnat since he did not understand the game only numbers.

  On 02/04/2022 at 13:53, Skuit said:

Clayton Oliver: possibly the best exponent of the handball in the history of football, yet copped a lot of flak over the journey for not kicking the ball enough. I was always a defender - let him do what he does best - but no doubt he has stepped up to another level after be encouraged to take a few driving steps out of the stoppage and look to the boot. 

His evolution is pretty plain to see on the stats-sheets, and so far this year he has basically completed that journey (small sample withstanding, and he seemingly bailed us out so many times on Friday via hand). These are pure season-total figures because I can't be bothered calculating the ratios, but:

2016: 174 handballs to 76 kicks
2017: 482 v 177
2018: 472 v 262
2019: 413 v 248
2020: 230 v 195
2021: 431 v 358
...........................

2022 (to date): 48 handballs to 56 kicks. 

 

 

 

 

 

2016: 174 handballs to 76 kicks  2.28:1
2017: 482 v 177    2.72:1
2018: 472 v 262.   1.80:1
2019: 413 v 248.   1.66:1
2020: 230 v 195.   1.18:1
2021: 431 v 358.    1.20:1
...........................

2022 (to date): 48 handballs to 56 kicks.  0.86:1

 

these ratios reflect even more his development into a far more balanced and mature team player, and his kicking has markedly improved over the journey.  Handball remains elite.

  On 02/04/2022 at 14:19, Skuit said:

Also, for those at the ground, what's the story with Langdon and Brayshaw playing footsies together on the same wing most of the night?  Was Jordon on the other wing and Gus pushing up from half-back, or was there some strange tactical thing going on where we stacked our other side with talls and let the wingers' club run rampant together on the other knowing we could win the contested? 

Shhhhh! Tacticals are our secret, there are a few of these. Just be glad Yze is onboard.

  On 02/04/2022 at 04:01, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Anyone heard from Mick Malthouse? 

I haven't heard from Mick since he recommended Mark Neeld.

If Tmac's role is to make a contest if he can't mark it, then he failed dismally. Bombers defenders outmarked him on about 5 occasions, and rarely did Tmac bring the ball to ground. The problem is that Weid hasn't shown that he can play this role.

If available, BBB has to play. If Lever is available, then T Mac becomes sub, and Tomlinson is omitted.

  On 02/04/2022 at 23:45, Jontee said:

I haven't heard from Mick since he recommended Mark Neeld.

Malthouse hates us since we beat the Bulldogs in last round of 1987 at their dung heap and replaced them in the finals

  On 02/04/2022 at 23:33, durango said:

The one thing I hate about modern football are statisticians running the resting of players after they kick a goal and not seeing that this player is hot and should be left on the field to take advantage of their form not sitting on the pine.

In the GF I believe that Burgess decided to take the reins of the player movement and guess what!

The statisticians only look at GPS numbers not watching the play and getting a feel for the games ebb and flow.

When I was at the MFC I told a statistician there is only 1 stat that counts and thats the result on the scoreboard but he argued with me because he had the football IQ of a gnat since he did not understand the game only numbers.

I'll think you'll find 'statisticians' only role is to to monitor time and distance of each player in order to keep the person in the Burgess role informed about loading.

Burgess, and his equivalent, at every club design the schedule for TOG percentages, time on ball and rotations. And are in almost complete charge of it (save some negotiation with the head coach).

In the gf burgo went away from HIS OWN plan to give more time to Jackson.

The person on the laptop is not a decision maker. Their job is to provide the person in the burgo role with exact, real time information (and obviously the coaches all the key data they need).

Edited April 3, 20223 yr by binman

Can somebdy watching the Sunday footy show please give me a summary of commentators view and votes ? As I am out and forgot to record it

Many thanks P.F

  On 03/04/2022 at 00:21, picket fence said:

Can somebdy watching the Sunday footy show please give me a summary of commentators view and votes ? As I am out and forgot to record it

Many thanks P.F

Here's a summary...

TJ: The Dees played the Bombers....
Browny: You've got big teeth TJ
All: Hahahaha
Lloyd: Yeah but you love a mirror Browny
All: Hahahaha
Barrett: Heard a whisper that Kane Cornes cried after the showdown
All: Hahahaha
Cornes: Settle down Purple
All: Oooooooooohhhhh
TJ: Anyway, the Dees won by 29
Browny: About the same number as your teeth size in inches chompers
All: Hahahaha

Just change the opponent and margin for next week's comprehensive football discussion.

 

Apologies if this has been mentioned already, heard on ‘The Round So Far’ Essendon were -76 on turnovers on Friday night. Talk about punishing a team when they give you the ball back.

pF Nathan Brown did the summary and spoke about Peter Wright and how he could improve his positioning around the ground, blah, blah, Blah. No mention of Gus, Clarry or Langdon. Then awarded the votes  Clayton - 9, Gus - 8, Wright - 8 and Langdon - 8. Did not mention Melbourne or Weid in any sentence.GggRrrr.!!!!

 

Boss would tell me in the seventies - best time to sell a car? 
straight after you’ve sold one. 
 

If they have to rotate after a goal, make it “the next” goal. 
Unless they kick that one as well. 
 

 

  On 02/04/2022 at 23:07, Cards13 said:

 

PS why the hell do you take him off in the first qrt after his goal?! He was really up and about, it just lost all momentum for him and the team.

 

I noticed the Bummers didn’t take Wright off after goals, and it paid dividends.

4 min into the game, and the Weed has 2 good contested marks. Off he goes to the bench. He couldn’t be tired after 4 min.

If the ball came forward fast again, he was likely to mark again.

He cooled down and lost his momentum temporarily.

I think this is one tactic where we could gain an edge over most other sides…….NEVER take a player off when he gets a goal.

Conventional wisdom amongst AFL  sides is that you do replace players after a goal. The pert commentators on tv and radio all agree it’s a bad idea. They should know something. Most are past experienced players or coaches.

 

 

 

  On 02/04/2022 at 23:14, Redleg said:

Agree. This has to be looked at. You have a bloke who has taken a few marks and kicked a goal in his game back to try and kickstart his career and then you completely stop his and the team’s momentum.

It is clearly by design, certain players after each goal looked directly to the bench to the sign they hold up showing the number of the players to come off. I was flabbergasted when Weiss number came up and off he went, Dogga come on in his place so assume it was then Gawn to the fwd line for Dogga into the Ruck but let Weid build as he started well.

  On 02/04/2022 at 20:29, Dees2014 said:

I reckon BBB and Weid will both play key forwards in future and Tmac will start on the bench and be the swingman for key positions forward and back and Wing. Great position to be in and gives us ultimate flexibility. 
 

I reckon this would be the best way to handle this. 

 

Must be some sort of a record for a Dees supporter, in my part of the world we had beaten the Cheats twice and the women’s team was though to the GF before I had finished breakfast on Saturday morning. 3-0... good way to start the weekend.

  On 03/04/2022 at 00:21, binman said:

I'll think you'll find 'statisticians' only role is to to monitor time and distance of each player in order to keep the person in the Burgess role informed about loading.

Burgess, and his equivalent, at every club design the schedule for TOG percentages, time on ball and rotations. And are in almost complete charge of it (save some negotiation with the head coach).

In the gf burgo went away from HIS OWN plan to give more time to Jackson.

The person on the laptop is not a decision maker. Their job is to provide the person in the burgo role with exact, real time information (and obviously the coaches all the key data they need).

That's probably a bit unfair on the statisticians. 

They no doubt do lots more than just provide data to the fitness and coaching teams.

For example, they have to find a way to measure and record team specific kpis set by the coaches (eg role specific data) and build and maintain the data system 

Important role.