Farewell Luke Jackson

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

By the end of this season Jackson may well have played in two premierships. Might be a good way to end up and return home

[Salems Lot 2,529]

Dusty was gone until he wasn't

[chook fowler 19,458]

i can't remember any occasion where things have dragged out like this that the player hasn't left. I think the odds of him staying must be low despite Drysdale being so adamant.

[Colm 2,151]

11 minutes ago, sue said:

Goodwin seemed to be pumping up Jackson's price in his presser today. Read into that what you wish.

Sounded that way to me too Sue. Feels like our chances of keeping him are decreasing by the day. Going by the AFL article sounds like Nic Nat is in his ear too. 

[Neil Crompton 5,535]

If he decides to go, I would have thought that we won’t hear anything till after our season is complete. We will probably hear sooner if he decides to stay  

[KingDingAling 3,757]

16 minutes ago, sue said:

Goodwin seemed to be pumping up Jackson's price in his presser today. Read into that what you wish.

I picked up on that. Really liked it. Goodwins approach to this is really smart.

[bush demon 2,039]

2 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

I picked up on that. Really liked it. Goodwins approach to this is really smart.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/789331/he-needs-time-to-make-his-decision-dees-patient-with-star-luke-jackson-despite-rival-interest

[Sydee 4,419]

18 minutes ago, sue said:

Goodwin seemed to be pumping up Jackson's price in his presser today. Read into that what you wish.

Its easy to misinterpret what is said in these situations but that was my impression too 

We seem to have gone from "we are confident" he will stay to "we are hopeful" - disappointing change in tone 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,826]

My key takeaway from Goody’s presser is that he’s gone from “confident” to “hopeful” a deal will be sorted out in the not too distant future.

It’s not looking good to be honest. But I’ll still be glad we drafted him and remember LJ’s time at the Dees fondly irrespective of what happens from here. 

[loges 6,767]

4 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

I picked up on that. Really liked it. Goodwins approach to this is really smart.

I read that he's weighing up how many years he'll sign for 

[The Lobster Effect 891]

47 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yeah, no.

Luke is a former pick 3 whose value has only gone up.

His value has gone up but clubs don't get full value when they lose out of contract players.

E.g Cerra was drafted at Pick 5 but Freo only got a pick 6 and future third for him. There will be lots of other examples.

[demoncat 1,428]

My gut feel is that the club is more confident of re-signing Gus than Jackson. At least that is the sense I got from the way Goody described both of their situations.

Neither one seem like the type of players who would leave for money or even a 'greater role' in the team (i.e. Gus as a permanent mid or Jackson as the number one ruck) - both top blokes who have had a huge impact on our team success and seem to love their team mates.

It will really come down to whether one or both of them want to return home, and it seems that might be more of a factor for Dogga. Fingers crossed we keep em both!

[dazzledavey36 54,884]

4 minutes ago, demoncat said:

My gut feel is that the club is more confident of re-signing Gus than Jackson. At least that is the sense I got from the way Goody described both of their situations.

Neither one seem like the type of players who would leave for money or even a 'greater role' in the team (i.e. Gus as a permanent mid or Jackson as the number one ruck) - both top blokes who have had a huge impact on our team success and seem to love their team mates.

It will really come down to whether one or both of them want to return home, and it seems that might be more of a factor for Dogga. Fingers crossed we keep em both!

That's exactly what I got out of it.

I felt Goody was more confident in Brayshaw re-signing soon then Jackson.

[1964_2 2,357]

My read from the press conference is similar to above :- Jacko likely leaving and Gus likely staying.

I also thought Goody conditioned the press to a view of “it will take time”, knowing that if he is leaving there will be nothing to say until after we go back to back. 
 

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

8 minutes ago, The Lobster Effect said:

His value has gone up but clubs don't get full value when they lose out of contract players.

E.g Cerra was drafted at Pick 5 but Freo only got a pick 6 and future third for him. There will be lots of other examples.

Hogan was about pick 2 or 3 during the GWS entry parlava. We traded him for 6, I believe

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,733]

It seems to me Jackson prefers to play in the ruck than up forward, so I'd question why he would go to Freo over the Eagles if he did leave.

At Freo he will probably sit behind Darcy as the number 1 ruck and Darcy is only 23. At the Eagles he would likely take over from Natainui after 1 or 2 seasons max.

He also would have a brighter future as number 1 ruck at the Dees than Freo, so not sure why he would go there.

[58er 6,431]

29 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I guess it depends which way you look it at.

If you take a short term view and we win back to back flags with LJ playing 2 good grand finals, then you'd say the recruitment was a roaring success, we shake his hand and get some good compensation.

If you take a long term view, it's an absolute disaster to lose a pick 3 that the club clearly had a 15 year view of that player being the number one ruck and franchise player of the club, irrespective of what state they're from.

I think Taylor and Co. will avoid WA (and even other states) if we ever get a prized pick again (i.e. - top 5)

No they won't Each case is separate and that's the way it should be. 

Very few things in life are 100% one way so decisions are made for reasons at that time. 

If Dogga goes and we win this  second flag it can only be described as an unmitigating success. 

Dammed if you do dammed if you don't that's Nic Nat vs Wattsy and Dogga vs ? 

It won't define JT and his teamif we get 2 flags or not. 

He still is the best in the business. 

 

[Sydee 4,419]

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

That's exactly what I got out of it.

I felt Goody was more confident in Brayshaw re-signing soon then Jackson.

Personally I've always been confident that Gus would stay - not so sure about Jackson

However, the days passing with no commitment is very disconcerting

[58er 6,431]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

That's exactly what I got out of it.

I felt Goody was more confident in Brayshaw re-signing soon then Jackson.

Don't think Angus is "returning home" as such. He is playing in his home state now. Whenever has the home factor been involved it's with his brother who moved from Vic. To play with Freo. 

His father may have lived in WA and I am unsure about the Brayshaws WA an Vic years except that they are a damn fine family and Angus is of that stock as a footballer and person. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,578]

Getting to the point where this is now more than a distraction.

Anyway if he goes I want a player and a top 5 draft pick.

If Freo I'd be demanding Darcy assuming Brayshaw is off limits.

If it's the Eagles I want them to facilitate the transfer of Jason Horne Francis from North.

If LJ commands the biggest contract ever we should also be demanding sky high compo

[mo64 5,874]

My take is that Gus wants to stay depending on the offer. He jokingly let slip on Gus n Gawny a couple of months ago that he'd have to wait till Jako is signed, meaning his offer will depend on Jako's decision and terms.

If Gus re-signs prior to the finals, my take is that the club knows Jako is leaving, and will give Gus a healthy contract. 

[The heart beats true 18,123]

Freo won’t have the picks to get LJ unless they bundle a LOT and can move up the draft order. You simply can’t argue he’s worth less than pick 1-5.

Only one WA club really in contention - which I think longer term is a better business decision for Luke. You can’t compare the Eagles and Freo in WA.

If he wants to go home, we get a big draft pick and use it to score a gun key position forward. Makes me wonder about Ben King. We’d have to ask, and ask hard. 

Regardless, I love Luke and the way he goes about it, but I think if he goes he’s going to be playing for a team that’s going to struggle for 3-4 years.

[Lucifers Hero 39,757]

The AFL podcast this morning had Freo way ahead of WCE with a 'lure' for Jackson.

Hate to pass on some depressing info. 

• Freo do not have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.  Currently they have #15 and #71.
• For future picks they can only trade out their first round pick if they have a pick in every other round (either their natural pick or a traded in pick).  This reduces flexibility to use any 2023 draft currency.
• They have signed up every player worth trading for.

Lets hope Jackson's friendship with Nic Nat is strong and Jackson picks WCE should he leave the dees.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[Winter Dan 464]

Makes sense that Brayshaw's contract offer is dependant on LJ. 

I could somewhat see LJ being genuinely undecided, but its got to be looking unlikely he stays having taken this long. 

Surely, MFC can wedge both WA clubs, and essentially tell LJ, 'we can trade you to WC for pick 2 and second rounder, if you want to go home, thats fair a reasonable, but unless Freo match it we won't be trading you to them'. 

Freo would have to find quality player or two that wants to return to Melb. They have a few.

Lobb was on the trading doco last year wanting to go to Vic, but you'd think he is only worth an early 2 rounder. 

[Jibroni 5,003]

Unless Fremantle are willing to offer up Brayshaw or 2 top 10 picks then I would rather send him to North Melbourne.