On 02/02/2021 at 09:34, monoccular said:

Did we get an assessment by a knee specialist before we recruited him? 
if not, why not given his history in 2020?
If so was it Big Feller, or some other fella (or, in the current PC world, shelia or in between)?

My understanding was the Burgess was heavily involved in the medical evaluation of him before we recruited him (and in fact Burgess was a big reason for why he chose us in the end).

I think to call this an injury is probably an incorrect terminology because I'd say it's more a persistent issue that will be with him for the rest of his life and he has to be managed. It's not good news, the way the club has worded things is without the usual puff of "we expect him to be back in training shortly" so without much more information I think his management will need to be reassessed.

Fingers crossed though.

  On 02/02/2021 at 10:50, DeeSpencer said:

The list looks in great condition, that's Burgo's job. Managing injuries is mostly up to the doctors and physios. We've been better under Burgo at getting guys in to see the surgeons and being proactive rather than the old process where we've stuffed around for months before fixing a problem.

 

  On 02/02/2021 at 10:41, DeeSpencer said:

Why? They've stuffed around with Brown having fluid on his knee for months and then decided in February to have the surgeon take a look at it. He'll have a scope and miss 4 weeks then they'll rush him back for the start of the season underdone

Jay Lockhart's spent the better part of 2 years with huge tape over one or both knees and has over looked hobbled.

Obviously half the side were in the same boat for the start of 2019.

If it takes half a roll of tape to get you through a January training session then something isn't right.

 

As soon as BB's name came up vision came to me of Templeton, Mitch C, and all the other duds we've recruited. The Roos didn't seem to have qualms about him walking. Oi WEh, is all I can say, Oi Weh.

SACK BURGO I'M SICK OF THESE INJURIES VINEY NOW BROWN. CAN'T WE HAVE AN INJURY FREE RUN FOR ONCE? GIVE US A FITNESS GURU THAT DOESN'T INJURE OUR PLAYERS FOR ONCE. I'VE HAD ENOUGH SEASON OVER.

  On 02/02/2021 at 12:47, WERRIDEE said:

SACK BURGO I'M SICK OF THESE INJURIES VINEY NOW BROWN. CAN'T WE HAVE AN INJURY FREE RUN FOR ONCE? GIVE US A FITNESS GURU THAT DOESN'T INJURE OUR PLAYERS FOR ONCE. I'VE HAD ENOUGH SEASON OVER.HU

HUH LOL. YOU NEED TO LAY DOWN AND SMOKE SOME WEED. YOU WILL SOON FEEL BETTER.

Kangas were very glad to see the back of BB. 

  On 02/02/2021 at 07:41, Clintosaurus said:

Is swelling an injury? Just sounds like Dr Feller will be working out how to manage it best.

That's how I read it!

  On 02/02/2021 at 20:46, Doug Reemer said:

That's how I read it!

Does not stop the usual festival of crying at even the slightest hint of a setback.

As with Hawthorn taking Scully & Patton from GWS on seemingly favourable deals, the eagerness of NM to be done with Brown should have been a warning sign for Melbourne.

But yet again we were so desperate to add talent from other clubs, instead of developing our own, that we rushed in to sign Brown with $3M worth of contract. 

Thankfully we had talked McDonald's value down so far that there were no takers, otherwise we would be looking at starting another season with Weideman as our only true key position forward.

  On 02/02/2021 at 08:39, Tony Tea said:

I have it from a current AFL coach that recruiting Brown was a mistake, and that given current trends in tactic, we'd be better off without him. 

And, no, I'm not going to reveal the sauce. I've already rounded it down to 18 people out of 25 million.

Actually you have narrowed it to 17, even better.

  On 02/02/2021 at 21:32, poita said:

But yet again we were so desperate to add talent from other clubs, instead of developing our own, that we rushed in to sign Brown with $3M worth of contract. 

Thankfully we had talked McDonald's value down so far that there were no takers, otherwise we would be looking at starting another season with Weideman as our only true key position forward.

I think we have proven we are not competitive with T-Mac, Weid and Fritsch as our forward line. We are terrible at developing players historically and quite frankly, our list was not exactly overflowing with key position talent. Ben Brown is far less of a risk than Joe Daniher is to Brisbane.

It's not ideal but better they get it right the first time than have constant issues.

If we need to run with a forward line of Weid, Jacko and Tmac to start then so be it.

  On 02/02/2021 at 08:39, Tony Tea said:

I have it from a current AFL coach that recruiting Brown was a mistake, and that given current trends in tactic, we'd be better off without him. 

And, no, I'm not going to reveal the sauce. I've already rounded it down to 18 people out of 25 million.

 

  On 02/02/2021 at 09:57, Tony Tea said:

No. Not like Tom Lynch. He's a significantly better player.

Even if Lynch is a better player than Brown, your argument is that Brown is the wrong TYPE of player and he is the same type of player that Lynch is.

Lynch is a better player than Brown but the difference is not huge, Brown is still a very good player:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3964&pid2=3457&fid1=C&fid2=C

Aaaannnnddd we're back to Weid copping the number 1 defender....

As others here have said.

if you need a whole shoulder/knee/ankle strapped in Jan before training 

you are not fully functioning 

should have been fixed before Xmas 

unless it’s brand new.

get it fixed, no contact training, until you use less tape at training rather than playing a competitive match.

though that only gives something to aim at in a game.

We seem to have some experts on the amount of bandaging that disqualifies a player from training who were mysteriously silent on that subject before now.   Let's see what happens and hope for the best.

Since we're making comparisons with Lynch, I assume everyonerecalls that in his final season with Gold Coast -

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-02/tom-lynch-confirms-he-wants-to-play-at-richmond-in-2019/10328624

"The Suns full-forward played the opening six rounds of the season before a knee injury sidelined him until round 11.

His return only lasted a month before he reaggravated the injury and later opted for season-ending surgery."

BB talking about the Knee injury prior to the first surgery in September.

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/805667/brown-remains-optimistic

Also, on the taping thing, there are plenty of blokes who get strapped for mental reasons.

I've played with many blokes who were so used to being taped that they could not make the leap to removing it

  On 02/02/2021 at 22:29, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Aaaannnnddd we're back to Weid copping the number 1 defender....

Well if he cant handle that we might as well ship him off. 

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:04, Deepressing said:

BB talking about the Knee injury prior to the first surgery in September.

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/805667/brown-remains-optimistic

Interesting that his knee was strapped up before that incident. 
Not to worried about this. 
knee swelling would be quite normal in a Football Club, when you consider what they do!!

Brace yourself, from tomorrow Ben Brown will be ruled out for the season, mark my words. 

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:28, Nelo said:

Brace yourself, from tomorrow Ben Brown will be ruled out for the season, mark my words. 

Knee reco?

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:24, BW511 said:

Also, on the taping thing, there are plenty of blokes who get strapped for mental reasons.

I've played with many blokes who were so used to being taped that they could not make the leap to removing it

This.

Do it with my right shoulder. Felt like I went into games confident that the strapping kept it more stable after an injury many years ago.

Haven't had an issue ever since now that I get it taped each game. But yet according to @DeeSpencer I shouldn't have been training all this time ?‍♂️

Edited February 3, 20214 yr by dazzledavey36

  On 03/02/2021 at 00:28, Nelo said:

Brace yourself, from tomorrow Ben Brown will be ruled out for the season, mark my words. 

This is a big statement to make on the back of 0 internal information.

You've put yourself out there..