Farewell Sam Weideman

[Binmans PA 26,117]

6 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

It literally says it is in the article 

Sure, but could easily be speculation from the journo. No quotes from our end.

Edited October 9, 2022 by A F

[Redleg 37,612]

Whatever Weid is on, the replacement will be on less.

I still see this as getting a lot of future picks and salary cap room, for a big play next year and maybe in the process, improving this year's 2, but now maybe 3 picks.

[whatwhat say what 18,977]

that no one wanted him at the conclusion of last season and he's now worth a future 3rd round pick seems pretty extraordinary to me

he's not in our best 26 players at our best so good look to him at the peptides

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

Keeping Weid as a 3rd ruck doesn't quite cut it to me. The obvious thing is the kid deserves a fresh start. But apart from that:

Ok, he could come in and play as the 2nd ruck. But in that scenario Grundy/Gawn is rucking 80% of game time, which means Weid is playing 60% forward and we haven't seen that work since 2018. We also have JVR and Tom McDonald who can pinch hit in the ruck.

If he's the first choice ruck then he's going to get beaten up by good AFL rucks just based on size alone, and whilst I like his follow up on the deck and against certain opponent he'll compete ok in the air he's not winning that match up against most first choice rucks. We saw him as the number 1 ruck v Adelaide this year and ROB had a field day. And that's ROB, who probably doesn't rate in the top 10 rucks.

So if we're getting smashed in the ruck with Weid we may as well get smashed in the ruck with an actual ruckman who has the developmental scope to become a good player in the future.

There will be someone out there who fits the bill. I'm not a huge Jack Bell fan but he came on a heap at Casey late in the season before making way for finals, wouldn't shock me entirely if they picked him up. Plenty of other state league big guys out there too.

 

[SFebes 4,692]

I feel for Sam a bit. I personally think most of his issues are in his head. Yes he goes missing in games but sometimes I feel he was tossed around a lot by the selection panel, in out in out, that in itself would put pressure on anyone. I wish him all the best, seems like a good kid.

[Redleg 37,612]

5 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I feel for Sam a bit. I personally think most of his issues are in his head. Yes he goes missing in games but sometimes I feel he was tossed around a lot by the selection panel, in out in out, that in itself would put pressure on anyone. I wish him all the best, seems like a good kid.

He is a nice guy. Wish him the best. It's funny that the side he is going to, has so many talls.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,154]

Wish him the best.

Every criticism of Weideman was also levelled at Peter Wright and he’s now a Best and Fairest winner.

 

[Elwood 3184 1,268]

A major blow for the Casey Demons.

[Jaded No More 57,946]

Didn’t the club come out and say we aren’t trading Weideman? What happened?

[Demon Disciple 10,955]

12 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Didn’t the club come out and say we aren’t trading Weideman? What happened?

Tim Lamb came out on day 1 of trade week saying Sam’s going nowhere and we will demand the world for LJ. He’s been called on both bluffs it seems.

Hopefully he can do some wheeling and dealing in the next few days.

[Guest]

Luke Jackson, M.Brown, Daw, maybe Tomlinson, and now Weid? Even with Grundy coming back are we potentially going into 2023 with the shortest list in modern history? Add in injury concerns around B. Brown and Tomald. Not a trick question. 

[daisycutter 28,549]

poor bugger. being shopped off to the hangar is worse than sending him to a gulag in siberia.

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

18 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Didn’t the club come out and say we aren’t trading Weideman? What happened?

Essendon have been behind the 8 ball this entire trade period (and insert other jokes here).

They seem to have gone down a laundry list of midfield options from Bowes to Harmes to Setterfield later in the week.

When they eventually settled on the cheapest midfield option they probably decided they could have a go at a tall.

If Weid goes for a useful draft pick then that's clear incentive to move him on when there wasn't any incentive last week.

[Travy14 1,505]

Really hoped he woukd turn it around.  But this move is best for everyone.

As for ruck back up, there is always rucks available.  And with grundy coming in it's not as if we need a really really good back up.

Maybe Sweet from the dogs or just the best ruck from the SANFL, WAFL or VFL

[Palace Dees 2,004]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Keeping Weid as a 3rd ruck doesn't quite cut it to me. The obvious thing is the kid deserves a fresh start. But apart from that:

Ok, he could come in and play as the 2nd ruck. But in that scenario Grundy/Gawn is rucking 80% of game time, which means Weid is playing 60% forward and we haven't seen that work since 2018. We also have JVR and Tom McDonald who can pinch hit in the ruck.

If he's the first choice ruck then he's going to get beaten up by good AFL rucks just based on size alone, and whilst I like his follow up on the deck and against certain opponent he'll compete ok in the air he's not winning that match up against most first choice rucks. We saw him as the number 1 ruck v Adelaide this year and ROB had a field day. And that's ROB, who probably doesn't rate in the top 10 rucks.

So if we're getting smashed in the ruck with Weid we may as well get smashed in the ruck with an actual ruckman who has the developmental scope to become a good player in the future.

There will be someone out there who fits the bill. I'm not a huge Jack Bell fan but he came on a heap at Casey late in the season before making way for finals, wouldn't shock me entirely if they picked him up. Plenty of other state league big guys out there too.

 

^This

Sam is not a ruckman.  He was played there at Casey because simply,  we had no one else after Daw retired. He was beaten in the ruck contests in every VFL game I saw. As usual he showed glimpses around the ground in Casey games but he never has in his 59 games for Melbourne (2018 Elim Final v Geelong excepted).  He's been with us since his teens and is now 25yo. 

It's time.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Didn’t the club come out and say we aren’t trading Weideman? What happened?

All in the name of trade currency.

Edited October 9, 2022 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

52 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Really hoped he woukd turn it around.  But this move is best for everyone.

As for ruck back up, there is always rucks available.  And with grundy coming in it's not as if we need a really really good back up.

Maybe Sweet from the dogs or just the best ruck from the SANFL, WAFL or VFL

A ruckman we should go after is the Norwood ruckman Harry Boyd won the Jack Oatey medal BOG in the SANFL GF was amazing that day in wet conditions.

Turned the game for the Redlegs imposing young man i think 23 years old.

[Palace Dees 2,004]

15 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

A ruckman we should go after is the Norwood ruckman Harry Boyd won the Jack Oatey medal BOG in the SANFL GF was amazing that day in wet conditions.

Turned the game for the Redlegs imposing young man i think 23 years old.

Didn't see the SANFL GF but stats impressive.  64 hit outs, 20 kicks etc. Also was Ist ruck in SANFL team of the year. A Shep boy coached by Jade Rawlings past 2 years. 24yo, 198 cm. 

Worth looking at 👍

[Wilson7 2,474]

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Didn’t the club come out and say we aren’t trading Weideman? What happened?

He said we wont be trading him and he had not requested a trade, maybe Weideman asked to be traded

[Travy14 1,505]

1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

A ruckman we should go after is the Norwood ruckman Harry Boyd won the Jack Oatey medal BOG in the SANFL GF was amazing that day in wet conditions.

Turned the game for the Redlegs imposing young man i think 23 years old.

Being from SA and a mad Redlegs fan I'd say keep ya grubby hands of him.

He is only 196cm which is a little worryingat AFL level.  But as a back up he would be good, he is also handy up fwd.  Not only did he win the Jack Oatey medal he won the club Best and Fairest and came 6th in the Magarey Medal (SANFL Brownlow)

Very good option, but also stay away 😉

[MadAsHell 4,088]

5 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

We had a lot of interest in Flynn in his draft year,  my guess is we'd be after him? 

 

5 hours ago, A F said:

I wonder if he could then form part of the Bedford trade...

Agree with the two above. Though it would be reliant on Flynn agreeing to the trade. Would he want to come to Melbourne and be third in line behind Gawn and Grundy as opposed to trying to get past Meek and Preuss at GWS???

The Rookie list might be our best bet. Harry Boyd from Norwood in the SANFL is 198cm, 108kg mobile ruck at 24 years of age who was named in the SANFL team of the year. Can also play key back and rest forward. Originally from country Victoria as well, so no go home factor.

Then there's also Hamish Free from South Fremantle in the WAFL who was named in their team of the year. Also 24, 202cm and 103kg. Though he is from WA, so more of a flight risk.

[Mickey 4,173]

8 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Fox Footy saying it may be that future 3rd for Freo's future 2nd.

A bit disappointing if it's not the Nth 2nd, could easily be a pick over 30. So the total package may be:

13, roughly 10-12, 30 for Jackson and 40-44.

[Matt 424]

15 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Fox Footy saying it may be that future 3rd for Freo's future 2nd.

A bit disappointing if it's not the Nth 2nd, could easily be a pick over 30. So the total package may be:

13, roughly 10-12, 30 for Jackson and 40-44.

I thought teams aren’t allowed to trade out their future 1st & 2nd? Or am I wrong about that?

[Mickey 4,173]

Just now, Matt said:

I thought teams aren’t allowed to trade out their future 1st & 2nd? Or am I wrong about that?

Good point. So maybe it is North's?

Or the AFL sign off on this when they won't for Port

[Matt 424]

4 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Good point. So maybe it is North's?

Or the AFL sign off on this when they won't for Port

Yeah hopefully it’s North’s