22 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Trade him for one of the GWS first rounders that are OOC: O'halloran, Caldwell or Hateley whichever fills our needs most. They'll all have more talent than whatever we might get in the second round this year.

Would love this. All 3 players could add something to our midfield rotation. Caldwell in particular has star potential IMO.

13 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Add in Troy Simonds. 
but to be fair we’ve usually been well presented ourselves in the ruck. 

Mitch Clarke.... 

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

These are the ruck trades (excluding those that are so complicated that it's hard to ascertain the value) simplified from the past 10 seasons so that we can get an idea for the value of Preuss. Some are mentioned twice because they've been traded multiple times.

Matthew Lobbe, Jonathan Giles - Free-ish

Sam Jacobs, Darcy Cameron, Zac Smith, Marc Pittonet, Andrew Phillips, Nathan Vardy, Stef Martin, Jonathon Griffin – 4^th round

Toby Nankervis, Trent West – 3^rd round

Tom Hickey, Jarrod Witts, Zac Smith – 2^nd / 3^rd round

Shaun Hampson, Shane Mumford, Billy Longer, Tom Hickey, Ivan Maric, Brent Renouf, Sam Jacobs  – 2^nd round

Paddy Ryder, Ben McEvoy, David Hale – 1^st round

I think Preuss sits comfortably in the second round, perhaps even at the early end of it. The difference between a lot of the rucks on this list and Preuss is that barely any were in contract and were leaving for more opportunity. We have Preuss in contract, so we don't have to accept a sub-par trade. I'd be extremely surprised if we got anything less than a decent second round pick for him, especially with the thin ruck stocks for trade this year.

Doing some great work this week AoB! Geeeess Stef looks a real win for Brissy. 

32 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Trade him for one of the GWS first rounders that are OOC: O'halloran, Caldwell or Hateley whichever fills our needs most. They'll all have more talent than whatever we might get in the second round this year.

Think they need more than just Preuss to do that deal. Perhaps a second or third rounder included

The age debate for Maxy reminds me of this classic Premier League interaction on twitter. 

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Goodwin refused to trial [playing Preuss as a second ruck] for long enough and instead continued to play Tom McDonald even though he was offering the side next to nothing.

He has tried it for 7 games since he's come to the club. We are 1 win and 6 losses in those games. When he was the sole ruck we were 2 wins and 1 loss.

The year before he played 6 games with Goldstein ..... they lost all 6 games. He was only involved in one win, and that was when Goldstein was injured and Preuss was the number 1 ruckman.

Overall, when playing in a 2 ruck setup, Preuss is 1 win and 12 losses, whilst being 3 wins 2 losses when rucking alone. I'm not sure how much more evidence we need to understand that Preuss as a second ruck is definitely not a winning tactic!

2 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Genuinely disillusioned with our club.

Max is turning 30 and we have Luke Jackson, a second year underdeveloped kid as our only backup. (Bradtke is not backup).

Obviously trade period is still a while off, but I can't believe we're not even willing to trial these two for a good chunk of the season. Preuss is coming into his prime and has had two years to learn under Max. Isn't this the reason we brought him in?

I simply cannot understand it.

 

Plenty to play out yet, Steve.

By the sounds of things, Preuss is happy at the club but his head has been turned by guys like Pittonet who have gone from being  a second or third string ruckman to first choice at another club.

In the end, we either get a good deal or keep him.  That's a win/win for me.

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Would love this. All 3 players could add something to our midfield rotation. Caldwell in particular has star potential IMO.

He'd be my pick too, as he can play outside mid and has some toe by the looks. GWS seem to offload their former first rounders who can't get a look in relatively cheaply too, just depends if we can convince him to come.

51 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Think they need more than just Preuss to do that deal. Perhaps a second or third rounder included

Yeah they do need points to make up their points deficit or pay for academy picks etc, so they would value something like a 3rd rounder more than us you'd think.

 

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45 minutes ago, TheoX said:

He'd be my pick too, as he can play outside mid and has some toe by the looks. GWS seem to offload their former first rounders who can't get a look in relatively cheaply too, just depends if we can convince him to come.

Yeah they do need points to make up their points deficit or pay for academy picks etc, so they would value something like a 3rd rounder more than us you'd think.

 

Pruess and 22 for Caldwell with maybe a 4th coming back also.

Would basically be Frost and Pruess for a former pick 11 with 2 years development..

40 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Pruess and 22 for Caldwell with maybe a 4th coming back also.

Would basically be Frost and Pruess for a former pick 11 with 2 years development..

Saints (in particular) & Dogs are going hard for Caldwell. 

3 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

If Preuss has decided to seek a trade elsewhere, what does that tell you?

He came to our club for a reason which was the proposition of playing alongside Max. There is evidence for that everywhere. 

Goodwin refused to trial it for long enough and instead continued to play Tom McDonald even though he was offering the side next to nothing.

I'm not sure it tells us anything about the club's thoughts.

Papley sought a trade at the end of last year. Didn't mean Sydney wanted him out the door.

How long do you think Goodwin should have trialled the dual rucks for? And do you think Preuss can work as a second ruck, requiring him to spend long periods of time somewhere other than in the ruck?

6 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Saints (in particular) & Dogs are going hard for Caldwell. 

He has been underwhelming this far at AFL level. Do like his movement and seems to have decent speed but his kicking appears to be quite loopy. Preuss and 22 would be big overs and I would be surprised if we are interested given we could have forced their hand last year prior to the draft with the Tom Green situation.

3 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Which means Max is turning 30 at the end of next year.

So.. he's turning 30 going into a season potentially without a backup. Jackson is a ripper, but name one other club who begins a home and away campaign with one mature-aged ruckman and the next being a 19 year old kid?

 

Essendon had 30 year old Bellchambers and 20 year old yet to debut Draper, they landed Phillips from Carlton.

After losing Phillips at one stage during trade week last year Carlton had 30 year old broken down Kreuzer and 19 year old Tom De Koning. They landed Pittonet.

One look through the out of contract list shows: Kieran Strachan, Max Lynch, Henry Crauford, Darcy Fort, Keegan Brooksby, Ryan Abbott, Joel Amartey, Nathan Vardy and Jackson Trengove. And there's bound to be contracted players - Callum Coleman-Jones is probably one - who are available. If we get something useful for Preuss to find a player in our best 22 we can find a 3rd string relief option elsewhere.

 

4 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Genuinely disillusioned with our club.

Max is turning 30 and we have Luke Jackson, a second year underdeveloped kid as our only backup. (Bradtke is not backup).

Obviously trade period is still a while off, but I can't believe we're not even willing to trial these two for a good chunk of the season. Preuss is coming into his prime and has had two years to learn under Max. Isn't this the reason we brought him in?

I simply cannot understand it.

 

It's a trash position. ? We have the best player in the competition in the position and we have an exciting youngster, a pick 3 no less, that can play the position. If we can improve our list in 2021 by adding a best 22 player and giving up Preuss, it's a no brainer.

4 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

If Preuss has decided to seek a trade elsewhere, what does that tell you?

It tells you he sees himself behind Jackson and given Preuss has demonstrated he's not agile enough to play the second KPF, he's happy to look at his options.

 

7 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

He has tried it for 7 games since he's come to the club. We are 1 win and 6 losses in those games. When he was the sole ruck we were 2 wins and 1 loss.

The year before he played 6 games with Goldstein ..... they lost all 6 games. He was only involved in one win, and that was when Goldstein was injured and Preuss was the number 1 ruckman.

Overall, when playing in a 2 ruck setup, Preuss is 1 win and 12 losses, whilst being 3 wins 2 losses when rucking alone. I'm not sure how much more evidence we need to understand that Preuss as a second ruck is definitely not a winning tactic!

Seven games in a new system, with new teammates and new midfield and forward setups is not nearly enough to know whether it could work or not.

I don't care what he did at North. He is a developing ruckman who is late to the game.

Our own supporters bang on about giving players like Oscar McDonald 5 plus years to develop and play half decent football, (still questionable) but apparently seven games is enough to know that Gawn and Preuss don't work together... 

And if you really believe the bolded part of your post, what say you to Goodwin's win/loss record since our prelim final loss?! 

Is he onto a winning tactic?

 

 

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24 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Seven games in a new system, with new teammates and new midfield and forward setups is not nearly enough to know whether it could work or not.

I don't care what he did at North. He is a developing ruckman who is late to the game.

Our own supporter sbang on about giving players like Oscar McDonald 5 plus years to develop and play half decent football but apparently seven games is enough to know that Gawn and Preuss don't work together... 

And if you really believe the bolded part of your post, what say you to Goodwin's win/loss record since our prelim final loss?! 

Is he onto a winning tactic?

 

 

Goodwins coaching record with and without Steven May, suggests we should trade him back for Hogan. Yup, correlation doesn't always equal causation ?

1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

And if you really believe the bolded part of your post, what say you to Goodwin's win/loss record since our prelim final loss?! 

His win/loss record would be a lot better if he had never played Preuss and Gawn in the same team! ?

Going by past history of back up ruck trades we’ll get a pick in the 40s for Preuss alone. Maybe we could get a fringe player chucked in like Zac Langdon who fits a need. Whether he gets a game is another question. FWIW I think Preuss will make a good number one ruck somewhere. 

31 minutes ago, Hunt29 said:

Going by past history of back up ruck trades we’ll get a pick in the 40s for Preuss alone. Maybe we could get a fringe player chucked in like Zac Langdon who fits a need. Whether he gets a game is another question. FWIW I think Preuss will make a good number one ruck somewhere. 

That may well be true but I feel we’re in a win/win position. Either we get given a usable pick or perhaps a young/fringe player that we feel can step into a role for us or we hold onto him for next year to keep as back up to Max and perhaps even trial a couple of different things with him. 

We don’t have a need to trade Preuss out so teams should be trying to satisfy our needs. 

Preuss may go but who fills in if Gawn has an injury. We really need to develop Jackson primarily as a forward. Problem is we may get a can't refuse offer, which we take and worry about the rest later.

23 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I love the picks and player swaps. 
 

Polec and NMFC pick 57 and GWS future 4th round 2021 pick and to Dees 

Preuss and Dees pick 62 and Kangas future 3rd around 2021 pick to GWS 

GWS Picks 39 and 46 and Dees future 4th round 2021 pick to Kangas 

Simples 

31 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Preuss may go but who fills in if Gawn has an injury. We really need to develop Jackson primarily as a forward. Problem is we may get a can't refuse offer, which we take and worry about the rest later.

With tongue firmly in cheek. Mitch Hannan. He has a decent leap. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12356250

 Gawn, Grundy and maybe Nic Nat are pretty much streets above other ruckman in terms of ruckcraft and impact. If we lost Max to injury, it doesnt really matter who you play. None of the top 4 have a ruckman with top 8 hitouts (probably to advantage either). If he was injured id be more concerned about losing his defensive marking and positioning around the ground. Preuss is a good ruckman for ruck situations (for as much/little as that is worth in 2020).  if another club want to give a second or third rounder yup, its a no brainer.  

Story in today's hun saying Gawn played last 6 games with knee problems and may need surgery. If we let Preuss go for anything less than a great deal we are nuts. Gawns knees are always a risk we should have good cover for him.

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Story in today's hun saying Gawn played last 6 games with knee problems and may need surgery. If we let Preuss go for anything less than a great deal we are nuts. Gawns knees are always a risk we should have good cover for him.

What?

Why the hell did we play him this year, of all years?

1 hour ago, deebug said:

What?

Why the hell did we play him this year, of all years?

Goodwin is getting desperate