We desperately need a gun key forward

[Superunknown 4,217]

4 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

 

The other option could be to swing May forward and play Petracca 70% forward. We could then go for a key defender like Robbie Tarrant, Hooker or Carlisle.

Interesting....

[Wiseblood 24,637]

I don't think we need a 'gun' key forward.

We just need a forward 6 that work well together.  It's probably been our biggest weakness all season.  But I don't think we are in the market, or could afford, a gun key forward.

To me, someone like Brody Mihocek would be a good option.  Runs all day, good set of hands and is a good kick for goal.  He can play up the ground while Weid stays closer to home.  Jackson as the third tall who can also have an impact at ground level.  Then it's Pickett... and two others.  Not sure who those are.  Is Fritsch too much as a medium forward with those three playing down there?  

Either way, I just think we need to find the right forward 6 that works within the gameplan.

[Dr.D 1,771]

I think anyone wanting to add Cameron doesn't grasp where we are at. We are very close to having to rebuild. We need to go to the draft  But if we do trade in anyone it certainly won't be Jeremy Cameron who is 27 and costs over 900k a year. 

[Grimes Times 1,278]

On 9/19/2020 at 7:44 PM, GCDee said:

This is the year to get one. 

With daniher, brown and Cameron all available this is really a chance to pounce. 

Cameron is the one I would be going hard for. 

Yep gotta throw the kitchen sink at Cameron. If Richmond can regig contracts and fit Lynch in surely Melbourne can do the same. We gave up pick 6 in a super draft to bring in May. We need to maximize our chances while May is playing at his current levels or that trade is a massive blunder. Gotta go all out, all chips in. Better to try and fail then sit at 9th for the next few years.

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59 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I think anyone wanting to add Cameron doesn't grasp where we are at. We are very close to having to rebuild. We need to go to the draft  But if we do trade in anyone it certainly won't be Jeremy Cameron who is 27 and costs over 900k a year. 

That's complete rubbish. 

Our 10 best players this year are all 28 years old or younger and most of them are 24yo or younger.

May 28, Gawn 28, Viney 26, Salem 25, Petracca 24, Lever 24, Langdon 24, Brayshaw 24, Oliver 23 and Fritsch 23.

Weid 23, Petty 20 and Sparrow 20 are all developing and there's high hopes for Jordon 19.

That doesn't even take into account Jackson, Pickett and Rivers who all showed they will be at least good AFL players.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,507]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

I think anyone wanting to add Cameron doesn't grasp where we are at. We are very close to having to rebuild. We need to go to the draft  But if we do trade in anyone it certainly won't be Jeremy Cameron who is 27 and costs over 900k a year. 

I've seen enough 'rebuilds' in my time to know we are long way off needing a rebuild.
Our list has plenty of talent that is underperforming as a whole unit.

 

 

[grazman 7,436]

21 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

The other option could be to swing May forward.

This was certainly identified by the club when it recruited him.  Tarrant is 32 next year, Hooker is 33 and while Carlisle is only 30 next year he has some major baggage.    What about the best tall Essendon back in Hurley though?  31 next year, but could be gettable if the rumours are true about him being fizzed off with the Essendon administration.

[TRIGON 4,783]

IF its true that Hogan is gettable, and IF the club - who would have plenty of insights into the off-field issues - think he can apply himself to being fully professional, THEN he would go a long way to solving our tall forward stock issues.

 

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

On 9/21/2020 at 1:55 AM, dee-tox said:

There are options but all with question marks:

1. Daniher. Injury prone.

2. Cameron. Too expensive

3. Harry McKay: Bit soft in my opinion. Carlton would want a first rounder

4. Jesse Hogan: Off field concerns.

5. Ben Brown: Has he still got it? Averaged under a goal a game this year.

6. Mihocek: Any better than the Wied?

Ben Brown would be a better get than Joe Daniher  

Both key forwards out of contract 200cm tall, but there are some key differences, specifically injury history in Daniher’s case  

The praise for Daniher is on his day he looks great, possibly brings in more memberships and is a year younger than Brown.  Perhaps a fully fit Daniher has more upside but history tells us “fully fit” isn’t his usual status  

Nobody would disagree Brown had a year he’d rather put behind him, but has been much more consistent over the last 4 years, kicked 60+ goals 3 years in a row. He’s a hard runner who often clocks up the most kms in a match (not including his run up), and would cost significantly less than Daniher  

Daniher is 14 games for 18 goals over the past 3 years and averages less goals per game than Brown.  Also way less accurate 57% vs 67% at goal.

But here’s a contentious opinion: I think the team we already have is capable of winning a flag. A smarter head coach, and some gun line coaches are what we need. Sure, we’ll lose a few at year’s end and will need to replace them (and hopefully not screw that Very simple process up). But if Sam W can ‘find himself’ next year, and our young players continue to build on the promise they’ve all showed us at different times, just watch us go. 

 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

On 9/20/2020 at 4:50 PM, Patches O’houlihan said:

I think the plan with Fritsch is for him to build his endurance base and become more of a wing/high half forward, and it allows some space for Gunston to improve the side in the now, and allow Jackson to develop into his role a bit more.

Smart move. 

Fritta would be better utilised further down the ground. Not because of his recent poor shhoting at goal but with his marking be a good link out of our defence. Also with his build he is more suited there as he can get outmuscled. Thrives in space.

Weid at chf.

Jackson at ff.

However these 2 are still unproven prolofic scorers and someone like Cameron for example that can come straight into ff and kuck 40 a year would be nice.

If we can unload Tmac in some way it would help with the $. Perhaps he would do well in a club that needs a proven fb defender.

Melksham doesnt seem to trouble the sboard anymore and as such like tmac the club has been trying him in different roles. 

As much promise as sw and Jackson have shown I believe it risky to bet on them just yet.

 

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39 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Ben Brown would be a better get than Joe Daniher  

Both key forwards out of contract 200cm tall, but there are some key differences, specifically injury history in Daniher’s case  

The praise for Daniher is on his day he looks great, possibly brings in more memberships and is a year younger than Brown.  Perhaps a fully fit Daniher has more upside but history tells us “fully fit” isn’t his usual status  

Nobody would disagree Brown had a year he’d rather put behind him, but has been much more consistent over the last 4 years, kicked 60+ goals 3 years in a row. He’s a hard runner who often clocks up the most kms in a match (not including his run up), and would cost significantly less than Daniher  

Daniher is 14 games for 18 goals over the past 3 years and averages less goals per game than Brown.  Also way less accurate 57% vs 67% at goal.

But here’s a contentious opinion: I think the team we already have is capable of winning a flag. A smarter head coach, and some gun line coaches are what we need. Sure, we’ll lose a few at year’s end and will need to replace them (and hopefully not screw that Very simple process up). But if Sam W can ‘find himself’ next year, and our young players continue to build on the promise they’ve all showed us at different times, just watch us go. 

 

Seems very strange that North would want to get rid of Ben Brown, yet bring T-Mac in?

Surely Brown is a better bet for guaranteed goals?

Must be a reason

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55 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Seems very strange that North would want to get rid of Ben Brown, yet bring T-Mac in?

Surely Brown is a better bet for guaranteed goals?

Must be a reason

Wouldn't it be about getting extra draft picks and freeing up some salary cap space?

Whoever is the best forward in the game at the moment would have been useless at North this year

[Lord Travis 10,730]

Cameron is the most proven, but would come with a massive price tag.

Brown is the next most proven. He and the club have had a falling out that is unrelated to football. His ability is still there.
He struggled this year after tragically losing one of his unborn twins. That combined with a new baby and the COVID situation meant he was not mentally present. He is not happy with how North treated him, pressuring him to join a hub and potentially leave his wife to deal with losing a baby and raising a new one at the same time.
He scored 60+ goals for the three years running before this season. IMO with time to heal mentally and pre-season to be in shape physically again, he's capable of 50-60 goals again for years to come. If we could get him cheap due to Norths mismanagement of him, we could get a bargain and solve our short-medium term tall forward issues.

Daniher is cooked. Physically and mentally he's cooked. If we got him for nothing then sure take the punt, but I wouldn't invest heavily into him as he's unlikely to consistently deliver again.

Mckay from Carlton isn't going anywhere and would cost a first rounder.

Mihocek isn't the type we need. He's a decent player, but not a tall marking target to build around.

Ben Brown is clearly the best realistic option.

Edited September 22, 2020 by Lord Travis

[Superunknown 4,217]

36 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Cameron is the most proven, but would come with a massive price tag.

Brown is the next most proven. He and the club have had a falling out that is unrelated to football. His ability is still there.
He struggled this year after tragically losing one of his unborn twins. That combined with a new baby and the COVID situation meant he was not mentally present. He is not happy with how North treated him, pressuring him to join a hub and potentially leave his wife to deal with losing a baby and raising a new one at the same time.
He scored 60+ goals for the three years running before this season. IMO with time to heal mentally and pre-season to be in shape physically again, he's capable of 50-60 goals again for years to come. If we could get him cheap due to Norths mismanagement of him, we could get a bargain and solve our short-medium term tall forward issues.

Daniher is cooked. Physically and mentally he's cooked. If we got him for nothing then sure take the punt, but I wouldn't invest heavily into him as he's unlikely to consistently deliver again.

Mckay from Carlton isn't going anywhere and would cost a first rounder.

Mihocek isn't the type we need. He's a decent player, but not a tall marking target to build around.

Ben Brown is clearly the best realistic option.

Now that is some fked up sh%t right there, the poor things. No wonder. How devastating.

 

[titan_uranus 25,019]

On 9/21/2020 at 9:44 AM, Fat Tony said:

Thinking about this some more, adding a forward who can fit alongside Weideman and Jackson is key. 

Cameron would obviously fit because he is a superstar and very mobile.

De Goey would be the best pick up, legal issues aside.

Gunston would cost our 2021 first rounder and more, which is a lot for a 28 year old.

Mihocek would also be able to play alongside Weideman and Jackson.

Ben Brown would probably make us too slow and top heavy but would cost the least.

Daniher is hit or miss and seems to want to get out of Melbourne.

 

The other option could be to swing May forward and play Petracca 70% forward. We could then go for a key defender like Robbie Tarrant, Hooker or Carlisle.

Genuinely don't understand this suggestion.

May's in line for an AA spot this year as a key defender. He's in career best form, as he's just admitted. His work with Lever improved all year and our defence was rarely outpointed.

It's not like when we desperately threw him forward in our losing matches that he starred, either. And when he was played forward on the GC he struggled.

36 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Cameron is the most proven, but would come with a massive price tag.

Brown is the next most proven. He and the club have had a falling out that is unrelated to football. His ability is still there.
He struggled this year after tragically losing one of his unborn twins. That combined with a new baby and the COVID situation meant he was not mentally present. He is not happy with how North treated him, pressuring him to join a hub and potentially leave his wife to deal with losing a baby and raising a new one at the same time.
He scored 60+ goals for the three years running before this season. IMO with time to heal mentally and pre-season to be in shape physically again, he's capable of 50-60 goals again for years to come. If we could get him cheap due to Norths mismanagement of him, we could get a bargain and solve our short-medium term tall forward issues.

Daniher is cooked. Physically and mentally he's cooked. If we got him for nothing then sure take the punt, but I wouldn't invest heavily into him as he's unlikely to consistently deliver again.

Mckay from Carlton isn't going anywhere and would cost a first rounder.

Mihocek isn't the type we need. He's a decent player, but not a tall marking target to build around.

Ben Brown is clearly the best realistic option.

If they were all free, Cameron is obviously the best. But he's not free and we almost certainly can't afford what other teams will be able to pay him (although in saying that, TMac's salary is reportedly sizeable and if we are able to offload that, maybe we're not so far off).

I agree with you that Brown is the next best option. His pace and defensive pressure are a worry though. He's a good mark, a good kick for goal and has an under-rated workrate/fitness base, all of which help us, but if the ball hits the deck we can't really afford a slow, lumbering forward who can't/doesn't chase or tackle.

I'm certainly open to the idea of Brown in our forward line but I'm not sure it's a 100% great fit.

[Wobbly Bob 79]

Ben "Krusty The Clown" Brown would be a natural fit for the circus that is MFC.

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46 minutes ago, Wobbly Bob said:

Ben "Krusty The Clown" Brown would be a natural fit for the circus that is MFC.

Silly season and the trolls are out to play.

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On 9/19/2020 at 4:30 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

Weideman 1 goal in the final 4 games, a terrible effort.  Has no urgency.

T Mac is finished.

Luke Jackson may or may not be a key forward but hes still a teenager either way.

Mitch brown is the best tall forward on our list as he showed today and hes 30.

 

We need to recruit a gun KPF this trade period or 2021 will be another waste of everyones time.

Not likely to happen.

Good KPFs are usually drafted. Trade options are generally the scraps or they're big clubs offering insane amounts of money, usually to their detriment. 

We need a solid big body that can take a defender away. We can create a functioning forward line without an absolute star.

Who are our mid-tier trade options at the moment - Brown, Daniher, Hogan? Any others?

I'd take any of those options, if available.

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Brown is the next most proven. He and the club have had a falling out that is unrelated to football. His ability is still there.
He struggled this year after tragically losing one of his unborn twins. That combined with a new baby and the COVID situation meant he was not mentally present. He is not happy with how North treated him, pressuring him to join a hub and potentially leave his wife to deal with losing a baby and raising a new one at the same time.
He scored 60+ goals for the three years running before this season. IMO with time to heal mentally and pre-season to be in shape physically again, he's capable of 50-60 goals again for years to come. If we could get him cheap due to Norths mismanagement of him, we could get a bargain and solve our short-medium term tall forward issues.

This isn't entirely correct, unless you have insider information?? The baby was lost after he'd already played in the first 8 games of the season, when they (as a family) were already in the Qld hub. They have a toddler but aren't actually due until into next year. His form was the reason he was dropped, while being dropped a few days after losing a baby and wanting to play might have caused some issues, he was dropped because he was very ordinary before that.

Personally I don't think we need him, while he's definitely gettable and could give us 30-40 goals, our biggest forward issue is not a gun tall (Weid and LJ can be that), it's the mid-forward connection, get that right and we score another 2 goals a game and match it with the highest scoring teams.

[Kent 2,909]

At the moment Weid is anything but a gun forward

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,293]

Tom Morris suggesting TMac is looking at a move to Norf. Could we do a straight swap. McDonald  for Brown. I’d take it. 

[TRIGON 4,783]

5 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Tom Morris suggesting TMac is looking at a move to Norf. Could we do a straight swap. McDonald  for Brown. I’d take it. 

Hard to fathom the logic of North ousting Brown and bringing in T.Mac.

[whatwhat say what 22,755]

north have apparently said that they're not remotely interested in t mac

[Dee tention 616]

If the Dees are serious about having a tilt in the next 3 years we should be prioritising Gunston and Breust to the forward line. I believe these two still have 3 years left in them of good football. 

Premiership players, elite kicks and smart footballers. And goal kickers! 
 

We shouldn’t be chasing the likes of a Cameron, Daniher, Fogarty! 

Heck! Get it to Breust and he will kick it to Gunston to kick a goal... ? 

[adonski 12,135]

Trade Gus and a future first to secure a top 5 pick and simply draft one