Both Melk and Trac and pretty gifted and skilful players - we see that time and time again particularly with field kicking 

However their set shot goal kicking is really poor. I can’t recal the game last year but Melk basically played on and kicked around his body from about 20m almost in front - when he had the option to simply go back settle and kick a drop punt 

I think the problem is not only between the ears but also technically they are far better when moving - Tracs set shot yesterday showed his ball drop was terrible - way too high and lacked control into the boot 

i guess no easy or quick fix but I hope both are getting plenty of individual coaching on addressing this 

in the interim maybe get a Fritter or Harmes to run past and take shots on the run 

I think we really need a kicking coach.  Someone mentioned trying to get Yze back to fill the role, and I think this game showed us just how badly it is needed.  One of the things that the top sides all have in common is that they don't miss the basic shots on goal.  We need to be much, much better at this skill if we want to consistently match the top teams. 

31 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I think we really need a kicking coach.  Someone mentioned trying to get Yze back to fill the role, and I think this game showed us just how badly it is needed.  One of the things that the top sides all have in common is that they don't miss the basic shots on goal.  We need to be much, much better at this skill if we want to consistently match the top teams. 

Roman Bryan.

Can not believe Tracs kicking issues haven't been addressed, they're so obvious, his ball drop is so high. One of the commentators  even said he dropped it from almost head height.

 

I though Trac played very well on Saturday and has been building nicely over the past few rounds but his set shot goal kicking is letting him down. I reckon he needs to practice kicking set shots while under water. 

7 minutes ago, chookrat said:

 

I though Trac played very well on Saturday and has been building nicely over the past few rounds but his set shot goal kicking is letting him down. I reckon he needs to practice kicking set shots while under water. 

I'd keep him above ground, myself, and just give him some tips on how to kick a footy. I recall when I played Under 16's the coach took me aside and gave me some tips. My kicking improved overnight.

20 minutes ago, dieter said:

I'd keep him above ground, myself, and just give him some tips on how to kick a footy. I recall when I played Under 16's the coach took me aside and gave me some tips. My kicking improved overnight.

Muscle memory is hard to overcome. And tracs technique is awful. Check out how his hands are holding the ball when he took that set shot.

1 hour ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I think we really need a kicking coach.  Someone mentioned trying to get Yze back to fill the role, and I think this game showed us just how badly it is needed.  One of the things that the top sides all have in common is that they don't miss the basic shots on goal.  We need to be much, much better at this skill if we want to consistently match the top teams. 

Yze reportedly very happy at Hawthorn. Bugger.

1 hour ago, loges said:

Can not believe Tracs kicking issues haven't been addressed, they're so obvious, his ball drop is so high. One of the commentators  even said he dropped it from almost head height.

It's the basketball background. He's slam dunking it onto his foot

42 minutes ago, dieter said:

took me aside and gave me some tips.

Maybe we can book Tracc a session with Shane Woewodins hairdresser. His tips can turn a player into a Brownlow Medalist overnight.

Edited May 5, 20196 yr by John Demonic

Maybe the club get in contact with Johnny Wilkinson, never missed from a set shot.

Technique is one thing, performing under pressure is another. Mostly between the ears I think, amazing how the basics drop away when you have doubts filling your mind. 

They need to practice set shots at training with some real consequences. Tracc has to eat tuna salad for a week should get results 

SHOT

12 hours ago, chookrat said:

 

I though Trac played very well on Saturday and has been building nicely over the past few rounds but his set shot goal kicking is letting him down. I reckon he needs to practice kicking set shots while under water. 

Torpedo?

14 hours ago, DV8 said:

Roman Bryan.

Is that the name of the sequel to a very well known Monty Python movie? 

Kicking is an exact art. Salem's ball drop is flawless. He holds the ball all the way to the boot and it is inline with his head. None of this can be said for Petracca.. Huge drop, ball well out in front. 

15 minutes ago, SPC said:

Kicking is an exact art. Salem's ball drop is flawless. He holds the ball all the way to the boot and it is inline with his head. None of this can be said for Petracca.. Huge drop, ball well out in front. 

Correct. Ball drop is the key. Both in the starting point and in control onto the foot. The guiding hand should control the position and posture of the ball before it comes into contact with the foot. Note that it is "guide" not "drop" and should be gentle.

Tracca is of the school that believes that if he slams the ball onto the foot it will go further. He needs some one-on-one practice guiding the ball onto the foot to produce perfect drop punts starting with short kicks and building up. Develops muscle memory.

Not hard to fix but takes time.

Trac's set shot goal kicking needs to be seriously addressed by the club. It's simply not good enough. I can't just be a confidence thing. He has a beautiful kick on the run.

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Is that the name of the sequel to a very well known Monty Python movie? 

just a [censored] take on 7's  'roamin Bryan'...  set in Ol' Roman days interviewing in Roman Bathhouses.

 

Perhaps CH7 could get roamin Bryan into a toga...  for a good cause  ???  ☺️

 

I'm more concerned with how often our players look to pass the ball when they mark inside 50.

If you can't kick 50 metres you shouldn't be on an AFL list, so go back, take some responsibility and kick the goal.

16 hours ago, Hellish Inferno said:

Technique is one thing, performing under pressure is another. Mostly between the ears I think, amazing how the basics drop away when you have doubts filling your mind. 

They need to practice set shots at training with some real consequences. Tracc has to eat tuna salad for a week should get results 

TMac practised his set shots a lot.....

2 hours ago, SPC said:

Kicking is an exact art. Salem's ball drop is flawless. He holds the ball all the way to the boot and it is inline with his head. None of this can be said for Petracca.. Huge drop, ball well out in front. 

Melk hold the ball almost horizontal to the ground when he is lining up for a drop punt - its a bizarre way to kick a footy. Our better kicks - Salem and Fritsch - hold the ball on a more vertical axis and drop it low to the foot before releasing their hand.

TMac holds the ball very steady and low down minimising also the potential skew to his foot - the exact opposite of Petracca. TMac lifts his leg straight and high. Petracca slams the ball from so high on to his boot it rarely connects cleanly.

Clarry kicks for goal with a real cross kick angle. His right leg goes from way outside the line to way inside the line. As a result his set shot kicking is terrible.

Drives me spare that these guys don't practice technique more.

I can understand that pressure can cause problems with set shots.  But if someone like Petracca has been shown how to do a low ball drop (I presume he has!) I cannot see how pressure would cause him to revert to a high ball drop.  It might mean he is too stiff with his action or something and he still misses, but I can't see how pressure would cause him to revert to a high ball drop.

6 hours ago, ManDee said:

 

. Be nice if we could delete a mistake.

Edited May 6, 20196 yr by ManDee

3 hours ago, tiers said:

Correct. Ball drop is the key. Both in the starting point and in control onto the foot. The guiding hand should control the position and posture of the ball before it comes into contact with the foot. Note that it is "guide" not "drop" and should be gentle.

Tracca is of the school that believes that if he slams the ball onto the foot it will go further. He needs some one-on-one practice guiding the ball onto the foot to produce perfect drop punts starting with short kicks and building up. Develops muscle memory.

Not hard to fix but takes time.

Its a shame because he has a serious football brain and doesn't ever lack endeavour.

BUT... in the Hawks 1st semi last year his excellent work in short kicking was undone by inability to hit a long target into attack. Trying to kick the cover off as you allude to.

This issue has potential to limit his career and/or prevent reaching potential  (as is now occurring)