Farewell Jesse Hogan

[TRIGON 4,718]

The problem with that is Bell's a much harder target to hit.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

40 minutes ago, A F said:

But IMO we'd have been demanding two first rounders anyway. A top 5 pick with another early to mid first rounder. We didn't need to give them any leverage.

I disagree that it makes them come up with a strong deal. They need to in order to make us come to the table at all, given Hogan's contracted and we don't have to trade him.

Further, Freo have external pressures on them (the FD and the administration) to step up and get their members signed on for 2019. Their cross-town rivals have just won their fourth flag, Freo are still on the duck and have been on the decline since 2014ish.

We didn't need to put heat on them. They were already in the fire.

Exactly. So why stuff around trying to play mind games. Just be up front and say this is what we want, if you're not prepared to pay it don't waste our time.

[demon191919 60]

3 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

It’s coming down to this: 

1. Accept pick 5 & 23 from Freo for Hogan 

2. Hold out for 5 & 11 and walk away if not met.

What will the club do?

What should the club do? 

Going to go down to the wire folks. Real line ball call given all the circumstances. Wednesday it’s Mahoney v Bell with guns drawn outside the OK Corral.

Have Freo actually offered picks 5 & 23?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,391]

Just now, demon191919 said:

Have Freo actually offered picks 5 & 23?

No.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

1 minute ago, demon191919 said:

Have Freo actually offered picks 5 & 23?

They don't even have pick 5

[Robbie57 1,990]

2 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

It’s coming down to this: 

1. Accept pick 5 & 23 from Freo for Hogan 

2. Hold out for 5 & 11 and walk away if not met.

What will the club do?

What should the club do? 

Going to go down to the wire folks. Real line ball call given all the circumstances. Wednesday it’s Mahoney v Bell with guns drawn outside the OK Corral.

It’s pretty clear. The club is happy to have Hogan stay. We want him to sign long term. We tried to get permission to use our first round next year for May but didn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if the outcome is Hogan signs on for 3 to 4. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, demon191919 said:

Have Freo actually offered picks 5 & 23?

Not yet but you can bet your grandma’s antique collection they will! 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

7 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

The problem with that is Bell's a much harder target to hit.

If it was the previous hierarcy at Freo, we would have had this deal done.

But like alot of people have stated Neale is holding up everything.

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Win4theAges

[Engorged Onion 9,276]

5 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

It’s coming down to this: 

1. Accept pick 5 & 23 from Freo for Hogan 

2. Hold out for 5 & 11 and walk away if not met.

What will the club do?

What should the club do? 

Going to go down to the wire folks. Real line ball call given all the circumstances. Wednesday it’s Mahoney v Bell with guns drawn outside the OK Corral.

There are so many other permeations @EnterTheDragon --->although I enjoy your commentary along the way as trying to take things from a birdseye view - its like you're Bruce or Bristle on Ch7yourself trying to pump the masses into watching a game that has blown out...

[deebug 1,754]

We need to stand our ground and not give in to this mob. It's 2 first round picks or it's nothing.

We need to fill 10 spots on our list so we need to start to think about where to go from here, or we will run out of time.

[Dr.D 1,771]

we will make sure we get May. I'm confident of that. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

2 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

There are so many other permeations @EnterTheDragon --->although I enjoy your commentary along the way as trying to take things from a birdseye view - its like you're Bruce or Bristle on Ch7yourself trying to pump the masses into watching a game that has blown out...

There are other permutations no doubt but it’s pretty clear what Bell is trying to do. Come back to this page next week on Wednesday and I’m confident I’ll have been right. Whether anyone will bother sifting back through 45 pages of our waffle is another matter!

[Engorged Onion 9,276]

Just now, EnterTheDragon said:

There are other permutations no doubt but it’s pretty clear what Bell is trying to do. Come back to this page next week on Wednesday and I’m confident I’ll have been right. Whether anyone will bother sifting back through 45 pages of our waffle is another matter!

I will be that pedant.

[RyanD 239]

Mahoney has explained it quite plain and simply, not sure what some of you are still going on about.

If Hogan leaves its because we got what we wanted, if not, then he stays. End of story.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,391]

Would you walk into your local Ferrari dealership and offer $2000 for an F40 because that’s all you have? 

The initial offer wasn’t a way of ‘softening’ us up, Bell’s just an idiot. 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Watson11 1,884]

24 minutes ago, sisso said:

Bulldogs into May for pick 7 apparently

I'm OK with that!  There seems to be a lot of obsession to get Steven May but he is not pick 7 material, and miles away from Jesse.  With May you know exactly what you'll get, a lock down defender with plenty of positives, but one huge negative, he turns it over more than almost every defender in the league.  In todays game where turnovers are the major source of scoring (anyone remember the prelim first half), I just don't see why we would consider giving up a high first round pick this year for May.   He turns it over more than Sam Frost who at least balances his clangers with line breaking score assists.  May had almost 4 clangers a game last year - only two MFC players had more being Oliver and Brayshaw who average 2x possessions and are inside mids where it is hot.  Regardless of what happens with JH, if we on trade a high first round pick, imo time will show it as one of the worst trades we have ever done. 

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 minute ago, RyanD said:

Mahoney has explained it quite plain and simply, not sure what some of you are still going on about.

If Hogan leaves its because we got what we wanted, if not, then he stays. End of story.

Are you happy with that though. There's no way I can put up with Oscar Mcdonald for another season. Especially with teams like richmond having lynch and riewoldt. 

[SFebes 4,692]

18 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

It’s coming down to this: 

1. Accept pick 5 & 23 from Freo for Hogan 

2. Hold out for 5 & 11 and walk away if not met.

What will the club do?

What should the club do? 

Going to go down to the wire folks. Real line ball call given all the circumstances. Wednesday it’s Mahoney v Bell with guns drawn outside the OK Corral.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt they offer their second rounder "next year" - so would be ~25 or worse?

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 minute ago, Watson11 said:

I'm OK with that!  There seems to be a lot of obsession to get Steven May but he is not pick 7 material, and miles away from Jesse.  With May you know exactly what you'll get, a lock down defender with plenty of positives, but one huge negative, he turns it over more than almost every defender in the league.  In todays game where turnovers are the major source of scoring (anyone remember the prelim first half), I just don't see why we would consider giving up a high first round pick this year for May.   He turns it over more than Sam Frost who at least balances his clangers with line breaking score assists.  May had almost 4 clangers a game last year - only two MFC players had more being Oliver and Brayshaw who average 2x possessions and are inside mids where it is hot.  Regardless of what happens with JH, if we on trade a high first round pick, imo time will show it as one of the worst trades we have ever done. 

Have you even seen May play. He is an elite defender, with elite speed and is a better user of the ball than Frost, Oscar Mcdonald and Lever so he would be a massive upgrade. May plays for the worst team in the comp, where he has no support at all. He would thrive in a team like ours. 

[Beetle 4,295]

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Would you walk into your local Ferrari dealership and offer $2000 for an F40 because that’s all you have? 

I’ve actually tried that and walked out with a key ring and a show bag.

[Demon Disciple 10,947]

1 hour ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Jesse wants to return home to WA. Rumours of “another club” are very flimsy at this stage.

He is worth close to it. Pick 23 would not get Lobb done for them.

Ha. If Lobb is worth close to 11, then Jesse is worth picks 1, 2 and next years first rounder.

[dl4e 5,583]

4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Are you happy with that though. There's no way I can put up with Oscar Mcdonald for another season. Especially with teams like richmond having lynch and riewoldt. 

Well we all have different opinions. I like Oscar and am prepared to back our own. He is still fairly young and has a lot of improvement in him. Frosty is a goer although at times he can be heart in mouth.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

6 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt they offer their second rounder "next year" - so would be ~25 or worse?

Correct. 

[RyanD 239]

13 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Are you happy with that though. There's no way I can put up with Oscar Mcdonald for another season. Especially with teams like richmond having lynch and riewoldt. 

It has nothing to do with what we want. Mahoney has explained what will happen, accept it.

[Demon Spofforth 280]

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

I can’t see Lobb being worth pick 11 to be fair. 

Agreed. Lobb is worth pick 23.