Changes v GWS Giants

[DeezNuts 624]

Who are our major concerns in GWS that need negating? Surely this should in part drive our configuration of players.

[SFebes 4,884]

1 minute ago, DeezNuts said:

Who are our major concerns in GWS that need negating? Surely this should in part drive our configuration of players.

Kelly, Shiel, Whitfield, Coniglio

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

Apologies if already been said, but what Spargo does is keep running to the next contest. Won't be dropped on that alone. Him pushing himself to be yet another link resulted in several crucial offensive forays on Sunday.

 

Edit, wording

Edited August 21, 2018 by AmDamDemon

[DV8 2,271]

On 8/20/2018 at 8:10 PM, Deecisive said:

the gws is a fast running side, so while i initially thought no change been wondering if we should not bring wagner into the backline and move bailey up into the forward line and rest either kent or spargo.

I've been hinting Wagner.   For this reason, run speed.

I was thinking run-with. Cover one of there hard running backs. Whitfield or other.

Leave Fritta's role alone.

[DV8 2,271]

 

On 8/20/2018 at 4:28 PM, Barney Rubble said:

It was a cramp

 

On 8/20/2018 at 4:36 PM, jnrmac said:

The club is saying it is a corked hammy done in a marking contest

Probably symptoms of the same injury. corky.

[titan_uranus 25,016]

9 hours ago, Mondê said:

How many can we get to the game on Sunday? Locked in finals, celebrating our 160th anniversary, two high quality teams going toe to toe.

Is 45k too optimistic?

We only got 23,000-odd to the GC game three weeks back, with glorious weather too.

Adding in the bump from making finals and the fact that this game is between two finalists, rather than against a basket case, and I'd like to see 35,000, but would still be happy with anything above 30,000 TBH.

[Whispering_Jack 30,067]

I have a feeling that Josh Wagner will get a call up this week at Charlie Spargo’s expense with Tom Bugg in as the carry over emergency.

[Dirts 429]

On 8/19/2018 at 5:16 PM, DubDee said:

Resting players?? You want a final in Sydney? 

We have a bye anyway

Want to fly over and easier to get a seat at the g. A win and I will hit the enter button quick. What day would we likely play? 

[spirit of norm smith 16,450]

Spargo needs the break. Not quite contributing over the past 3 weeks. 

But who comes in?  Spargo may be retained but only until Viney returns.  

[Rogue 585]

11 hours ago, SFebes said:

Gawn can rest in the bye before the finals, like all our other players.

I agree. He was clearly hampered vs Sydney, but looked great against West Coast.

12 hours ago, Bangkok Knights said:

Spargo is too little. Dont think he is ready for finals footy when the 'big men fly'..  Needs to put a lot of muscle weight on over the summer.

If they drop Spargo who replaces  him ?   To be honest...i don't G.A.F !  As i said last week....pick the guys who are 100% fit and want to play the most......Kent did well!    HE STAYS.

 

22 hours ago, Pates said:

Spargo was far and away worse against GC and continued his poor form against WC. He SHOULD be dropped going on how everyone else has been dropped/promoted but whether someone else has earned the shot is another story. 

I reckon Spargo has been cooked for weeks. I'm certainly not writing him off permanently - it's his first season so I'm reserving judgement, although I don't think he has great forward craft and don't see elite midfield potential yet either - but I don't rate him at the moment.

However, we have a bunch of injuries (Lever, Hogan, Vince, JSmith and Viney), I can't see how Garlett gets back this week - even though I would have kept him over Spargo - and the cupboard's looking a little bare otherwise. I'd delist JKH and Bugg at season's end and wouldn't play either unless we're struck down with further injuries, while Pedo and Tim Smith aren't the right type to bring in.

Interesting suggestion from @Whispering_Jack regarding dropping Spargo for Wagner. It'd allow Fritsch to play further up the ground, which I'd like, but I'll be surprised if we bring in Wagner.

[bing181 9,229]

2 hours ago, Rogue said:

Interesting suggestion from @Whispering_Jack regarding dropping Spargo for Wagner. It'd allow Fritsch to play further up the ground, which I'd like, but I'll be surprised if we bring in Wagner.

No, but we can perhaps bring in Joel Smith.

[Rogue 585]

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

No, but we can perhaps bring in Joel Smith.

Didn't realise he was a chance for this week, but just read that he's a test (as is Hunt). I reckon it's an attractive option.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Rogue

[jnrmac 20,060]

Smith would come back in before Hunt I suspect...

It would allow Fritsch to move fwd. He done some good things in defence but sometimes his one on one isn't quite there. Prefer him delivering to forwards as a link man or kicking for goal.

[Rob Mac...... 638]

It’s a perfect opportunity to give Bugg a last chance this week, in for Spargo who's cooked now.
Bugg runs great, excellent endurance, strong who'll run, tag, compete, stick tackles and harass all day long.   Yes we’ve focused on Bugg hate over his set shot kicking which has improved at least a bit, but his good qualities are so good, we forget that his 7 week suspension made us immediately weaker back then.

I suspect they’ve wrongly stamped Buggs papers just as they wrongly stamped Lynden Dunn and Stef Martins.
We’d be silly not to try him with little to loose now, and plenty to gain because Spargo’s cooked while Tommy B is strong and fast all day long.  He could take any of their midfielders out of the game and, like with Frost, people will wonder why we didn't try him earlier.

[Jaded No More 68,915]

How is Smith progressing with his injury?

If we can bring him in and send Fritsch back up forward, it solves the problem of who can replace Spargo who looks really really done. He's put in a magnificent effort for someone in his first season. We forget that Fritsch played VFL before so he is much more conditioned to a full season.

Wagner gives me no confident whatsoever. He panics and turns the ball over frequently. 

Bugg is a hell-no from me.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

On 8/21/2018 at 9:44 AM, Patches O’houlihan said:

I’d be reluctant to make any changes. spargo still chases and pressures hard every game which you don’t get stats for 

Is that right? Isn't the "pressure acts" stat used for this? 

[Mondê 525]

13 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

We only got 23,000-odd to the GC game three weeks back, with glorious weather too.

Adding in the bump from making finals and the fact that this game is between two finalists, rather than against a basket case, and I'd like to see 35,000, but would still be happy with anything above 30,000 TBH.

I find it the differential between our membership base and Richmond bizarre.

I mean, 60k more members? It seems a little far fetched.

Is it possible that when we become really successful we could nudge 60k?

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,775]

10 minutes ago, Mondê said:

I find it the differential between our membership base and Richmond bizarre.

I mean, 60k more members? It seems a little far fetched.

Is it possible that when we become really successful we could nudge 60k?

I heard something like 10k of those Richmond membership signed up late season also (i.e. for Finals ticket priority - whatever that's worth when 100k have priority)

Give us 2-3 successful years I think 60k will be surpassed

Edited August 22, 2018 by Graeme Yeats' Mullet

[Deemania since 56 6,635]

On 8/19/2018 at 6:39 PM, Pates said:

Although it's unlikely there is still an outside chance of us cocking this one up. Unless there are serious question marks (Hibberd eg grabbed his hammy) we should field our best side and try to get as much momentum for September.

Spargo would be the only one I'd drop but I don't know who comes in as no one really did much at Casey.

I am just hoping that Hibberd's hammy group was suffering from cramp - that was persistent yet not continuous. No news yet?

Edited August 22, 2018 by Deemania since 56

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On 8/21/2018 at 7:40 AM, SFebes said:

No change.

Could consider replacing OMac with a younger tall runner/defender - Keilty? Wagner? Bugg for Spargo? 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Deemania since 56

[SFebes 4,884]

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Could consider replacing OMac with a younger tall runner/defender - Keilty? Bugg for Spargo? 

I don't think they'll replace OMAC, hes had a pretty good season as a whole with some blunders in the middle. I think Buggs papers are stamped but who knows, Spargo does seem tired but he had some good moments and has been playing the system. But, it's a raffle.

[Thrice 216]

From Roy Morgan (2017), number of supporters of each AFL club. Both us and Tigers are at the pointy end of converting supporters to members. 

[Deemania since 56 6,635]

6 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Smith would come back in before Hunt I suspect...

It would allow Fritsch to move fwd. He done some good things in defence but sometimes his one on one isn't quite there. Prefer him delivering to forwards as a link man or kicking for goal.

Fritsch is effective down back but gathers quite a few niggles and direct off-ball aggression from opponents. He is better at setting up and/or kicking goals - a surprise packet in many regards that is hard to contain and defend against - as he comes in so well from the side. Move him forward for a while during the GWS game. 

[jnrmac 20,060]

46 minutes ago, Thrice said:

From Roy Morgan (2017), number of supporters of each AFL club. Both us and Tigers are at the pointy end of converting supporters to members. 

There are some weird numbers in here. Mostly looks like BS to me.

North more than Melbourne? I doubt it. The Swans? Well 98% of NSW would say Swans. What does it really mean? Giants 175,000 you're kidding.

[ManDee 7,134]

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Could consider replacing OMac with a younger tall runner/defender - Keilty? Wagner? Bugg for Spargo? 

Oscar is 22yo, Wagner 24, Keilty 23. Petty is the only younger key back he is 19 and not ready as we saw earlier in the season. OMac is fine.