Post Match Discussion - Round 19

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22 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Disgusting effort but we were one Oliver run down from potentially winning. I'm seriously angry about this loss. Our forward 50 entries have been abysmal for about a month now, coach should have fixed up weeks ago. Also not shifting T McDonald back when they were booting with the gale is beyond comprehension really.

Just put myself through watching the replay of the last quarter.  Here is a not so negative take.

Firstly with the wind we needed to have a marking forward staying deep, old style.  The last goal we got was the kick from Trengove near the boundary, sailed 65m everyone misjudged the flight and McDonald took the mark and gaoled.  This was the way to score.

Secondly the last goal of the game was with 7 1/2 minutes to go - in retrospect the match winner by North - and it was a complete fluke.  Brown lines up for goal from 50 close to the boundary, shanks the kick and it lands short in the hands of Simpkin.  You know it was your lucky day when this is happening.

Thirdly from then on we defended well, and North couldn't score another major.

Fourthly unfortunately our forward 50 entries were poor, as noted above by SFebey.  Often it came in rushed and flat with no prospect of a mark - and North were outnumbering us.

We should have realised a forward 50 mark was like gold with the wind behind us - and also that the umpires were not paying marks unless 100% held, nor were they paying chopping of the arms. Infuriating.

Then finally we had our moment -- Tom McDonald takes a good mark and centres to  hibberd, directly in front only 50m out with a roaring gale behind him.  5 points behind, 2 minutes to go.  This was the moment for Goodwin's favourite theme 'composure'.  And the ball was in the hands of one of our senior players who is a good kick.  Perhaps that is why none of our leaders felt the need the intervene and yell out "stop, go back and take your time".  Unfortunately Hibberd plays on, misses and that was the final score of the day.

THis was really a sliding doors finish, it could so easily have been different and we would have been describing it as a gutsy win.  Disappointing but not disastrous.

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38 minutes ago, drdrake said:

When you hit the front with a 4 goal wind behind you in the last quarter and lose that it attitude, we expected to win and the wind will do it for us.  Then we get behind with 4 mins to go panic sets in, it turned real ugly, it wax already bad but that last 4 minutes of football was a complete disgrace 

Is Greg Stafford still ruck coach

Max Gawn is a real concern, his tap work is off or mids not on same page and around the ground is having no impact 

This was like the ess and carlton games of last year. Where was the sense of urgency, the attack on the man and ball?

No matter how much I screamed wake up! at the TV the guys kept playing the same. Why were we not attacking the goals in the last quarter? It was like we had to craft a goal that we trained for?

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Completely agree with tmac going back.

Max as well.

Why was jetta one on one against their tall forwards? Is he the only one that can read the play down there?

We have had massive problems related to our inabilty to take contested marks around the ground. Especially coming out of defence and going into f50

[Sir Why You Little 36,995]

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

Disgusting effort but we were one Oliver run down from potentially winning. I'm seriously angry about this loss. Our forward 50 entries have been abysmal for about a month now, coach should have fixed up weeks ago. Also not shifting T McDonald back when they were booting with the gale is beyond comprehension really.

Why didn't TMac have a shot in the last Quarter??

Aaaarrgh!!!

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,690]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Just wanted to echo other people's opinions about Blundstone arena. It's an absolute dump of a ground by AFL standards. A glorified bush league venue.

The lines about 30 metres to take a slash. Don't even think about getting a beer or something to eat until about the 20 minute mark of each quarter. The wind spoils what could've been a good game of footy. And credit to North, they use the conditions to their advantage and. It's a genuine home ground advantage as evidenced by a 10 goal win over this year's likely premiers.

I'm going to be livid if the AFL schedule us down there a 3rd year in a row. I hope we're not requesting to play down there.

As for the performance, I thought ANB, Watts, Petracca and Hannan in particular were a disgrace.

How could you want to play down there it looks like a dump on TV I can only imagine. That's Why I say P h uck the AFL every corner of Australia we go and play F U a million times over AFL sh y te organisation the comp is a joke so uneven and unrealistic.

Hey I have an idea let's make a request to the AFL to play a game for points on the moon I'm pretty sure the AFL will accept after all were the AFL's gimps aren't we.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Silly me....the min I saw 39 on BB I should have walked across the bar and put the house on Norf !!

Valiant as Nev is that's about the dumbest matchup going.

[Devil In Disguise 2,278]

Couldn't believe it when Jetta kept finding himself caught out against a taller opponent. Surely T Mac should have been sent back when Norf had the wind. Goodwin badly out-coached by that whinging fwit Brad Scott.

[Redleg 40,864]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

And because I love a positive:

I think it's become very clear, if it hasn't already, that we probably have the best young player under 21 on our list in Clayton Oliver.  Look at these for stats from a kid of 20 years of age:

33 touches, 12 tackles, 26 contested possessions, 12 clearances and 1 goal.  The crazy thing is that he is doing this most weeks.

This kid let's his football do the talking, and while he is still learning to mature and will have his moments, his year has been unbelievable for a kid of his age and I'm so stoked we have him at our club.  I feel as though he is already one of, if not the, best players to walk through our doors in a very long time.

Agree. I think I posted after his first game with us he was my new favourite player. Thank you Jason Taylor.

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1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Silly me....the min I saw 39 on BB I should have walked across the bar and put the house on Norf !!

Valiant as Nev is that's about the dumbest matchup going.

I think you will find that Nev was just trying to cover for Frost who went to put pressure on another north player up ahead, that is the zone defense approach. I thought nev was probably our second best player after Oliver, neither of which stopped trying all day long, which is far more than can be said for many.

[Lord Travis 10,702]

Lucky the site went down after the match because I lost the plot!

With a top4/8 spot on the line, we lost to the 17th placed team who have been so terrible for two months that they're being accused of tanking. One of the most disappointing performances I can remember.

The worst part was seeing how many tackles we missed or allowed to be broken. It was one of the weakest tackling displays we've served up in a long time. Our players seemed to tackle opponents standing still and still fall over or get brushed aside. Even guys like Viney and Petracca who should bury their opponents were getting brushed aside like ants. Was absolutely infuriating!

 

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7 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

How could you want to play down there it looks like a dump on TV I can only imagine. That's Why I say P h uck the AFL every corner of Australia we go and play F U a million times over AFL sh y te organisation the comp is a joke so uneven and unrealistic.

Hey I have an idea let's make a request to the AFL to play a game for points on the moon I'm pretty sure the AFL will accept after all were the AFL's gimps aren't we.

 In not a fan of the place but the ground had nothing to do with yesterdays loss.

North only play there 3 times a year with had nothing to play for, we played like lairs at times, applied little tackling pressure and ball use was poor. Once we lost Hogan the game was done  and we had no forward line in the 2nd half.

If we want to be an anytime, anywhere team we would have won yesterday. But were not there yet and some players need to pay the cost of that.

 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Really?  It didn't motivate in the last 2 rounds of 2016. 

Same prize on the line then. 

Gave up the season and finals in a spectacularly inglorious fashion.

How do you know it didn't motivate them? Just basing that on the result?

Still a very young side, I'm ok with disappointment but not with stupid expectations

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8 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

I think you will find that Nev was just trying to cover for Frost who went to put pressure on another north player up ahead, that is the zone defense approach. I thought nev was probably our second best player after Oliver, neither of which stopped trying all day long, which is far more than can be said for many.

I realise it wasn't his man per se, but you have to then ask a question about out back setups that it was even left to Nev ?? 

Benny boy towels us up EVERYTIME. I get it that we want to play "our" brand but surely you first cover the main threats. The number of times Ben was able to find space !!!

[praha 11,237]

I find it weird that Goodwin goes out of his way to say past records are irrelevant. I think it's something he has to learn and evolve in terms of his personality. Saying it's irrelevant is patronising towards a fan base that has to put up with it. Losing against a team for ten years should alone be motivation to fuel a win, let alone cementing a spot in Finals. Maybe I'm being old fashioned but giving a rev up and making it a line in the sand moment helps establish culture. We went from one extreme of being too celebratory of our history under the Schwab years, to being purposefully and actively oblivious to our recent failures. I'd have thought that acknowledging the past and wanting to address it was better than pretending it doesn't exist at all. Most of the team has never beaten North. We should have made a stand and stood up to prove that we won't put up with losing to them any more. It's one mistake Goodwin has made this year. Maybe I'm being picky. I think yesterday was less about structural deficiencies and more about failing to rise to the occasion, the occasion of planting a foothold on a finals spot, and beating a team that has bullied us for a decade. That has [censored] me off more than anything. I really hate hearing the club saying past records don't matter. When you're playing for something and haven't beaten a team for a decade, it *DOES* mean something. The really tragedy of yesterday was not Hogan going down, or our tackling deficiency, or inability to score with a gale wind behind us. It was that it may have cost us a finals spot, and that it happened against a team that looks down on us. 

We haven't had our line in the sand moment yet. Yesterday should have been it. It's a "two steps back" moment.

That's not taking anything away from North who are grossly underrated. But we played like a team that didn't seem to care. We don't care about our record against North. But you can bet your first born that North celebrates that record, and that they'd have been laughing at us last night.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,832]

I'm not even angry.

 

[dees189227 12,373]

Just so mad. Pathetic. Over use of the handpass.  Silly short passes instead of kicking long and we played a terrible terrible last quarter for a team that had the wond. 

To many passengers today. Just wrecked our finals chances. If anyone sees them at the airport dont gush over them. 

Nth know now they definitely have it over us. Now the media can stop talking about us being a contender.

Also we let Ben brown kill us. 

A massive loss in regard to our ladder position as well

[olisik 4,060]

Anyone know what free kick count was in final quarter. Was it 8-0? If so I hope we submit a please explain to the AFL

[Lucifers Hero 39,646]

 

31 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

How do you know it didn't motivate them? Just basing that on the result?

Still a very young side, I'm ok with disappointment but not with stupid expectations

I didn't say finals was my expectation in 2016.  My expectation is that they turn up to play each game; win, lose or draw.

And yes the results showed there wasn't enough motivation to win the last 2 games and make finals.  The Carlton loss was inexcusable, youth or no youth.  And can't say much for motivation in the 100+pt loss to Geelong to farewell Roos.

By some magic of reasoning you think in 2016 motivation for finals in the last few rounds is 'stupid expectations' but you offer the same motivation/expectation this year.  Logic doesn't seem quite right!

 

Edited July 30, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

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1 minute ago, olisik said:

Anyone know what free kick count was in final quarter. Was it 8-0? If so I hope we submit a please explain to the AFL

There were some big non-calls but I felt the calls against us were mostly there. We tackled poorly all day and gave away probably 4-5 in the back frees from a tackle, 2 at pivotal moments in the 4th. I think we got super frustrated. At one moment the camera paned to a visibly frustrated Petracca who had only seconds early missed a tackle and been brushed aside. We tackled lazily and got punished for it. Definitely not why we lost.

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3 hours ago, GoD's67 said:

Demons were bad, a lot of players down, and tackling was sloppy! D's just looked flat. Still had our chances. Surprising that TMac was not in backline for qtrs 1&3.

Umpiring just typically disgraceful. This time 24-17 to North, last time 22-12!

Jones, Vince & one of Weideman, Pedersen, Wagner or Smith in, outs Hogan, Trengrove, & Hannan or Harmes!

Do not pick Weideman under any circumstance

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20 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I'm not even angry.

 

Understood ... I am just flat .... so disappointing ........a lot like the feeling after the Carlton loss last year

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16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

I didn't say finals was my expectation in 2016.  My expectation is that they turn up to play each game; win, lose or draw.

And yes the results showed there wasn't enough motivation to win the last 2 games and make finals.  The Carlton loss was inexcusable, youth or no youth.  And can't say much for motivation in the 100+pt loss to Geelong to farewell Roos.

By some magic of reasoning you think in 2016 motivation for finals in the last few rounds is 'stupid expectations' but you offer the same motivation/expectation this year.  Logic doesn't seem quite right!

 

Point 1 I am not talking about you or your expectations - that's my point no one cares what they are

Reality and expectations are two very different things

 

[McQueen 17,864]

21 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Own. Bathwater. Again.

 

 

Two 2nd half goals...pitiful!

We were drinking it with them.

[Lucifers Hero 39,646]

1 minute ago, McQueen said:

We were drinking it with them.

Not all of us Steve.  There were some of us still on the 'one week at a time' train.

Even od was telling me to throw the lid far away.

I still think we can make finals.  But yesterday we gave up a golden opportunity to get a home final.  Even if we didn't go beyond the elim final to see our team play a final at the MCG would be magical.  Now it is likely to be Adelaide or Sydney.

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49 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

How do you know it didn't motivate them? Just basing that on the result?

Still a very young side, I'm ok with disappointment but not with stupid expectations

Pls mate not the old young side claptrap The players were in the main poor and the game plan a shambles