Salem Suspended

[Clintosaurus 7,843]

North and St Kilda are both umpires pets. Both teams rarely lose the free kick count. [censored] them both - they are terrible but do somewhat OK being kissed on the dick by the officials every week.

[Skuit 10,031]

Salem was on the angry pills yesterday and I kinda liked it. Obviously has to channel the aggression better and remain effective but I hope he keeps it up. 

[Chris 2,892]

22 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

So I'm guessing no case to answer for any of the trips? Then again, how could there ever be a suspension for a trip because they can't be graded as high contact.

They weren't even free kicks apparently. So now you can hold people's ankles, trip their feet, found house punch people to the throat from behind, punch people in the guts to the point they throw up, and the AFL will look after you. All this as long as you are a long term protected species or a 'good bloke'. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,239]

I've said it before ( as have others). This match review stuff is utter bull sh it.

[Chris 2,892]

16 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Thats it , Im coming outa retirement with Byron and Rod and will sort a few out! We will cop life bans but it will be well worth it . Time to fix up this pusilanamous, flee bitten, cheap shot, feral, marsupial club once and for all!

Jumper size 40 "Slim Fit" 

 

Happy to join in too! A someone said in this thread, just grab a jumper then smash em with iron poles, the AFL may not even ban us then!

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

12 minutes ago, Akum said:

North won't think twice at all. They targeted our young players and got the official umpires / MRP / AFL seal of approval. They were actually rewarded for their tactics.

Exactly. The pricks won the fight and took the points. 

I hate the way the club just silently cops it. 

16 consecutive losses....

[Akum 2,660]

42 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I doubt there's little more merit in it other than to appease us rabid supporters.

The only way it can move forward is in front of the tribunal as with Viney and Lynch case but on this occasion, we're effectively calling the MRP out on their ridiculous inconsistency and I don't see how that will benefit the club in the future.

I reckon Goody needs to come out and say that Sunday's game demonstrated the need for the club to take action to protect our younger players from the sort of treatment they were on the end of during that game.

Perhaps he could say that our insurer has told us that it's part of our duty of care to our players to do everything within our power to prevent the same thing - or worse - happening in future (if this isn't true, it really should be).

He could say that the spite in the game was initiated early on by a 19-year-old player getting throat punched off the ball by a senior player, who was not penalised for doing so.

He could say that, unless we take steps now to ensure that this type of thing is sanctioned, we can't guarantee that our players will be protected from more severe injury in the future as a result of such an incident. 

He could say that it was our reasonable expectation as a club that our players would get adequate protection from the umpires, but clearly this did not happen throughout the game. This is a cause of some concern to us.

He could also say that in any other year than this year, the opponents who deliberately punched our players would be sitting out for a week or two, and like the majority of the football world, we are perplexed as to why this has changed, and have yet to receive a good explanation from the AFL about the rationale for this change.

He could also say that we like to play the game hard but fair, but that Sunday's game demonstrated that bending the rules actually gets you further.

Our acquiescence after the Carlton game has bothered me. Both Hogan and Lewis reacted to something that was said to them. Viney, who was within earshot of the Lewis incident, clearly thought it was inappropriate too, and shoved Cripps into the ground after Lewis hit him. By contrast, Carlton exposed the sledging of Marc Murphy and it actually worked in their favour. So far, our silence and meek acquiescence has just made us a bigger target.

[monoccular 17,426]

Scott (actually both of them) are whinging scum - his players lit the fires, then he has the gall to complain about it.

And those who say the MRP is a joke re quite wrong - they are a totally compromised and corrupt body:   all the fines in recent weeks for far greater impacts to  the head than Salem's

You can't tell me that every MFC player this year who has "come under the scrutiny of the MRP" - including Salem and Hogan with no record - have been guilty of worse offences than all those who have been fined.

100% suspension rates for us - lost count of the fines for others guilty of the same offences, or worse.

[picket fence 17,146]

9 minutes ago, Akum said:

I reckon Goody needs to come out and say that Sunday's game demonstrated the need for the club to take action to protect our younger players from the sort of treatment they were on the end of during that game.

Perhaps he could say that our insurer has told us that it's part of our duty of care to our players to do everything within our power to prevent the same thing - or worse - happening in future (if this isn't true, it really should be).

He could say that the spite in the game was initiated early on by a 19-year-old player getting throat punched off the ball by a senior player, who was not penalised for doing so.

He could say that, unless we take steps now to ensure that this type of thing is sanctioned, we can't guarantee that our players will be protected from more severe injury in the future as a result of such an incident. 

He could say that it was our reasonable expectation as a club that our players would get adequate protection from the umpires, but clearly this did not happen throughout the game. This is a cause of some concern to us.

He could also say that in any other year than this year, the opponents who deliberately punched our players would be sitting out for a week or two, and like the majority of the football world, we are perplexed as to why this has changed, and have yet to receive a good explanation from the AFL about the rationale for this change.

He could also say that we like to play the game hard but fair, but that Sunday's game demonstrated that bending the rules actually gets you further.

Our acquiescence after the Carlton game has bothered me. Both Hogan and Lewis reacted to something that was said to them. Viney, who was within earshot of the Lewis incident, clearly thought it was inappropriate too, and shoved Cripps into the ground after Lewis hit him. By contrast, Carlton exposed the sledging of Marc Murphy and it actually worked in their favour. So far, our silence and meek acquiescence has just made us a bigger target.

Post of the year! About time the AFL was given some food for thought!! How long will it be before another Mal Brown type incident plays out before our eyes and a player just loses it and goes bang, smash, crash and copes a 10 week ban!??

 

[The heart beats true 18,123]

How bad is a system when a player gets the same penalty for accidentally making contact with an umpire as a bloke who deliberately punches a player in the throat or stomach?

That's like fining a jaywalker the same as someone who deliberately hits a pedestrian with their car.

Great system. Nailed it.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

28 minutes ago, Chris said:

They weren't even free kicks apparently. So now you can hold people's ankles, trip their feet, found house punch people to the throat from behind, punch people in the guts to the point they throw up, and the AFL will look after you. All this as long as you are a long term protected species or a 'good bloke'. 

Perhaps we should replace the boundary line with some kind of wire fencing. I reckon the shape of the footy grounds are a bit old fashioned as well, I'm thinking an upgrade to something more, I don't know, octagonal, would that work?

[Chook 15,012]

4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Utter garbage.

What Salem needed to do was grab a handful or his jumper, then beat him to death with an iron bar.

Beautiful.

[deebug 1,754]

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Post of the year! About time the AFL was given some food for thought!! How long will it be before another Mal Brown type incident plays out before our eyes and a player just loses it and goes bang, smash, crash and copes a 10 week ban!??

 

Oh it's going to happen; it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when?

[Akum 2,660]

2 hours ago, Jara said:

We lost the PR battle. Papers this morning were full of Scott pre-emptively whinging about how jumper punches were okay, precedents, etc. 

We get screwed all the time. We were screwed over Hogan, we were screwed by the umpires on the weekend. (I even heard a North supporter on the radio ringing up saying he felt guilty that every dubious decision had gone his club's way)

Is there nothing our club can do?

We didn't even enter the PR battle. We just meekly handed them the initiative, like we did after Lewis's goal on Sunday.

[Sigil 1,001]

12 minutes ago, Akum said:

I reckon Goody needs to come out and say that Sunday's game demonstrated the need for the club to take action to protect our younger players from the sort of treatment they were on the end of during that game.

Perhaps he could say that our insurer has told us that it's part of our duty of care to our players to do everything within our power to prevent the same thing - or worse - happening in future (if this isn't true, it really should be).

He could say that the spite in the game was initiated early on by a 19-year-old player getting throat punched off the ball by a senior player, who was not penalised for doing so.

He could say that, unless we take steps now to ensure that this type of thing is sanctioned, we can't guarantee that our players will be protected from more severe injury in the future as a result of such an incident. 

He could say that it was our reasonable expectation as a club that our players would get adequate protection from the umpires, but clearly this did not happen throughout the game. This is a cause of some concern to us.

He could also say that in any other year than this year, the opponents who deliberately punched our players would be sitting out for a week or two, and like the majority of the football world, we are perplexed as to why this has changed, and have yet to receive a good explanation from the AFL about the rationale for this change.

He could also say that we like to play the game hard but fair, but that Sunday's game demonstrated that bending the rules actually gets you further.

Our acquiescence after the Carlton game has bothered me. Both Hogan and Lewis reacted to something that was said to them. Viney, who was within earshot of the Lewis incident, clearly thought it was inappropriate too, and shoved Cripps into the ground after Lewis hit him. By contrast, Carlton exposed the sledging of Marc Murphy and it actually worked in their favour. So far, our silence and meek acquiescence has just made us a bigger target.

I don't think he will, because we aren't that sort of club.

I understand the frustration and what you are saying, but I don't want us to be North or Carlton in that regard. I don't want our coach looking like a whinger (rightly or wrongly), look at what we did wrong, what we can do better and educate the group from there.

Plus in that second quarter we were just as full on as they were.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

Are you a retired Australian Football League Player?

Are you struggling to deal with life after football and all of lives patterns and consistencies are all totally unpredicatable?

Are you coming to the realisation that you're total incompetent and under prepared for life in the real world?

Are you finding that rules and systems just don't seem to work, regardless how everyone else seems to understand them?

Here at the AFL Match Review Panel - WE WANT YOU!!!!

 

[deebug 1,754]

Our club need to bang down the door of the bloody AFL and say what about the danger to our boys playing this game. If you are not going to be fair then we as hell arn't either. My friend last night said Jones should have got the boys and walked off the field, which after this i think it's a great idea.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Thought Salem would get one. The Cunnington tummy tap though. Ugh...

[Sigil 1,001]

I'm really curious, aside from the "walk off the field" type comments and rant against the Thousand Nations of the Persian Empire against us in the Media, that the club would be doing nothing?

There have already been reports of vision of Clayton's handballs going to the Umps to review when he was called for a throw that wasn't.

Do you really not think the club is not talking to the proper authorities when they think decisions are completely stupid?

Final point, do you really want our coach to sound like Brad Scott?

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

@Satyriconhome Is this something you can assist with? It's common knowledge you speak regularly with coaches and players, are you able to find out whether any action was taken by the club towards the umpires department?

[deebug 1,754]

1 minute ago, FireInTheBelly said:

@Satyriconhome Is this something you can assist with? It's common knowledge you speak regularly with coaches and players, are you able to find out whether any action was taken by the club towards the umpires department?

Yes please we all would like Know? Any one who can send an e-mail to the club saying we have had a gut full of this and want something to be said.

[Akum 2,660]

15 minutes ago, Sigil said:

I don't think he will, because we aren't that sort of club.

I understand the frustration and what you are saying, but I don't want us to be North or Carlton in that regard. I don't want our coach looking like a whinger (rightly or wrongly), look at what we did wrong, what we can do better and educate the group from there.

Plus in that second quarter we were just as full on as they were.

Yes, because educating our players and not complaining has done so well for us in the past. But the club will almost certainly roll onto our collective backs and adopt the submissive posture to the alpha dog.

The thing is: we have a duty of care to our players. Not to the AFL. Not to the hypersensitive feelings of North and their whinging coach. To our players.

There is now a significant risk of one of our players getting throat-punched or gut-punched and getting internal injuries, because we haven't taken steps to defend our players against it. North players almost certainly don't have that risk, because they have.

And in the process, they've made us look like the perpetrators and initiators. Because we've said nothing.

[Akum 2,660]

Something else. The way this was presented on the SEN news this evening was with a sense of incredulity that Cunnington and Higgins got off and only Salem got suspended. Now SEN isn't the oracle (of course), but they do reflect the views (for better or for worse) of the football-loving public fairly well.

I reckon there's a fair chance that the footy community in general thinks we've been pretty hard done by and are waiting for a response from us. If we don't give one, they'll put it down to, well, "same old Melbourne, soft and naive as usual" and probably won't be surprised.

[Sigil 1,001]

12 minutes ago, Akum said:

Yes, because educating our players and not complaining has done so well for us in the past. But the club will almost certainly roll onto our collective backs and adopt the submissive posture to the alpha dog.

The thing is: we have a duty of care to our players. Not to the AFL. Not to the hypersensitive feelings of North and their whinging coach. To our players.

There is now a significant risk of one of our players getting throat-punched or gut-punched and getting internal injuries, because we haven't taken steps to defend our players against it. North players almost certainly don't have that risk, because they have.

And in the process, they've made us look like the perpetrators and initiators. Because we've said nothing.

Sorry, I disagree with you.

I don't accept that a Media campaign that get's the blood up, back page News!! that makes us feel better about what happened on the weekend is the best way for the club to approach their duty of care.

It's boring for us because we won't know about it, but if the club sees it as an issue, it will be addressed.

[Redleg 40,899]

1 hour ago, Akum said:

I reckon Goody needs to come out and say that Sunday's game demonstrated the need for the club to take action to protect our younger players from the sort of treatment they were on the end of during that game.

Perhaps he could say that our insurer has told us that it's part of our duty of care to our players to do everything within our power to prevent the same thing - or worse - happening in future (if this isn't true, it really should be).

He could say that the spite in the game was initiated early on by a 19-year-old player getting throat punched off the ball by a senior player, who was not penalised for doing so.

He could say that, unless we take steps now to ensure that this type of thing is sanctioned, we can't guarantee that our players will be protected from more severe injury in the future as a result of such an incident. 

He could say that it was our reasonable expectation as a club that our players would get adequate protection from the umpires, but clearly this did not happen throughout the game. This is a cause of some concern to us.

He could also say that in any other year than this year, the opponents who deliberately punched our players would be sitting out for a week or two, and like the majority of the football world, we are perplexed as to why this has changed, and have yet to receive a good explanation from the AFL about the rationale for this change.

He could also say that we like to play the game hard but fair, but that Sunday's game demonstrated that bending the rules actually gets you further.

Our acquiescence after the Carlton game has bothered me. Both Hogan and Lewis reacted to something that was said to them. Viney, who was within earshot of the Lewis incident, clearly thought it was inappropriate too, and shoved Cripps into the ground after Lewis hit him. By contrast, Carlton exposed the sledging of Marc Murphy and it actually worked in their favour. So far, our silence and meek acquiescence has just made us a bigger target.

If Goody said that I would say " good on you mate, well done".