Demon Injuries 2017 season

[spirit of norm smith 16,459]

I think MFC will rest Angus Brayshaw for at least 4 weeks now.  They must be very very careful and consult with the experts.

[spirit of norm smith 16,459]

Now we add Spencer and Tim Smith !@wtf. Brayshaw another head knock. Unbelievable.

Garland  season

GAWN 12 weeks

J.Smith 9 weeks

Mckenna 5 weeks

Vandenburg 5 weeks

Wagner 3 weeks

Spencer, Smith to be reported and Brayshaw to be advised.

Thats 9 down. 

 

[monoccular 17,429]

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Now we add Spencer and Tim Smith !@wtf. Brayshaw another head knock. Unbelievable.

Garland  season

GAWN 12 weeks

J.Smith 9 weeks

Mckenna 5 weeks

Vandenburg 5 weeks

Wagner 3 weeks

Spencer, Smith to be reported and Brayshaw to be advised.

Thats 9 down. 

 

Has anyone seen anything of Flipper or King?  

Pedo surely must get a gig next week, despite Goodwin's obvious dislike or disdain for him. If he doesn't and Watts gets injured doing excessive ruck work I will be really [censored] off at Goody. 

[frankie_d 1,471]

Any news on CP5 knee and Viney knee?

[Drunkn167 5,093]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Has anyone seen anything of Flipper or King?  

Pedo surely must get a gig next week, despite Goodwin's obvious dislike or disdain for him. If he doesn't and Watts gets injured doing excessive ruck work I will be really [censored] off at Goody. 

Flipper is playing in the development league of the VFL, so is a long way off. King looked really good for his first game in 12 months, but being he has had so little game time I very much doubt he is ready for AFL.

Pedo has to come in.

[Pates 9,660]

Has to be Pedo time. Frost and Watts battled in the ruck but we need a designated ruckman and at least with Pedo we get some flexibility. We can share the load between the three of them, with maybe Pedo acting as the primary. 

The inury list is starting to stack up, but the good news is MOST aren't first picked best 22 players. They're the depth to cover the top line, unfortunately now the injuries are starting to mount against players who are picked. Spencer is obviously the one that hurts the most now, poor bugger can't take a trick. Finally gets his chance and he gets injured. Anyone know how serious it is?

We could be the walking wounded by the end of the year. 

Edited April 24, 2017 by Pates

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Viney, Petracca, Jetta and Jones all looked to be hindered last night.

Throughought the entire second half, none of them could run at full pace. 

It was horrible to watch. I knew Richmond would catch us eventually. Amazing effort by our guys really.

Richmond are the worst 5-0 team I've ever seen. Yuck.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,833]

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Richmond are the worst 5-0 team I've ever seen. Yuck.

Let's see how they're shaping up in 3 weeks time after playing Adelaide, Dogs and GWS all away.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Let's see how they're shaping up in 3 weeks time after playing Adelaide, Dogs and GWS all away.

I know, I can't wait.

[bandicoot 1,395]

On 23/04/2017 at 1:16 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

I think MFC will rest Angus Brayshaw for at least 4 weeks now.  They must be very very careful and consult with the experts.

Goodwin in the after march presser said that brayshaw came up well and that was a chance to play this weekend.

i think he came off as a precaution rather than a serious concussion. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Viney, Petracca, Jetta and Jones all looked to be hindered last night...

...and we lost Spencer.  Yet Richmond came out of it unscathed!  Odd.

Are we playing too many players with 'niggles' or is it our frantic, somewhat kamikaze style of play that is putting our players at risk.  I suspect out 'stacks on the mill' approach doesn't help.  Something esle?

Whatever it is the our injury toll from games is higher than the opposition most weeks.  Hope we sort it out fast.

[Demon Jack 6,909]

I mentioned this in the post match thread, but there's always at least one team every year that is decimated by injury. Last year, I think it was the Eagles, and this year it seems we've pulled the shortest straw. I'm sure it was in the back of everyone's mind, but I don't think anyone actually predicted that we'd have our two key ruckman on the sidelines after round 5. I'm looking forward to see how Goodwin handles this and see if he decides to blood King or bring in Pederson (the ideal solution) who can share the role with Watts (who fought his guts out last night) and Frost. Injuries to handy players such as Wagner, VDB and Smith x2 (not best 22 players, but very good depth) are also all proving to be frustrating. 

[Mr Steve 3,820]

3 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

I mentioned this in the post match thread, but there's always at least one team every year that is decimated by injury. Last year, I think it was the Eagles, and this year it seems we've pulled the shortest straw. I'm sure it was in the back of everyone's mind, but I don't think anyone actually predicted that we'd have our two key ruckman on the sidelines after round 5. I'm looking forward to see how Goodwin handles this and see if he decides to blood King or bring in Pederson (the ideal solution) who can share the role with Watts (who fought his guts out last night) and Frost. Injuries to handy players such as Wagner, VDB and Smith x2 (not best 22 players, but very good depth) are also all proving to be frustrating. 

Last year it was the Doggys and they won the flag. Just have to start winning a few games get Max back late in the season. 

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

...and we lost Spencer.  Yet Richmond came out of it unscathed!  Odd.

Are we playing too many players with 'niggles' or is it our frantic, somewhat kamikaze style of play that is putting our players at risk.  I suspect out 'stacks on the mill' approach doesn't help.  Something esle?

Whatever it is the our injury toll from games is higher than the opposition most weeks.  Hope we sort it out fast.

I put it down to The Continuing Curse of Norm Smith.

https://titusoreily.com/afl/continuing-curse-norm-smith

[Mr Steve 3,820]

What we really need is a medical team like down at Carton. They can fix broken Jaws "cripps" and concussion "Geary" and have them rearing to go the next week. 

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

5 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

What we really need is a medical team like down at Carton. They can fix broken Jaws "cripps" and concussion "Geary" and have them rearing to go the next week. 

What we really need is having our best players who are fit on the park each week.  2 wins and no losses with Lewis and Hogan in the team.  No wins and 3 loses with one or both out.

Stupid undisciplined off the ball hits to prove our "toughness".  Gee, that was worth it.  But it's ok because Lewis feels a "little bit guilty".

No fault of the Carlton medical staff there but it continues the great Australian tradition of looking to blame anyone but ourselves for our situation.

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2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Viney, Petracca, Jetta and Jones all looked to be hindered last night.

Throughought the entire second half, none of them could run at full pace. 

It was horrible to watch. I knew Richmond would catch us eventually. Amazing effort by our guys really.

Richmond are the worst 5-0 team I've ever seen. Yuck.

Totally agree. lots of posting about us being two down last night. There were some very sore blokes out on the field as well. Really worried about Jones Viney and Petracca as well.

Its pretty cruel for us right now

[titan_uranus 25,020]

10 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

What we really need is having our best players who are fit on the park each week.  2 wins and no losses with Lewis and Hogan in the team.  No wins and 3 loses with one or both out.

Stupid undisciplined off the ball hits to prove our "toughness".  Gee, that was worth it.  But it's ok because Lewis feels a "little bit guilty".

No fault of the Carlton medical staff there but it continues the great Australian tradition of looking to blame anyone but ourselves for our situation.

I get you're responding to someone making a joke about the Carlton doctor but in all honesty do you truly believe the three losses are as simple as no Lewis and no Hogan?

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16 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I get you're responding to someone making a joke about the Carlton doctor but in all honesty do you truly believe the three losses are as simple as no Lewis and no Hogan?

I think we would have beaten Geelong.  The loss of Gawn meant Watts to ruck and Weed and Smith forward.  No forward structure as a result.  Hogan would have been invaluable allowing us to capitalize more on our dominance.  Lewis would have been invaluable down back.  If he'd played as he did against Saints we are a much better team.  I know it's moot but that's my opinion - they cost us the game.

I think we would have definately beaten Freo with them playing.  If you don't then don't read the rest.

Would Lewis have made a difference last night.  He wouldn't have made us worse and people here have been at pains to point out our lack of composure and kicking skills in defence.  Again moot but we only lost in the last quarter when the ball was in our backline continually.  That's where Lewis would have been.  If Hogan hasn't missed two weeks he'd have been in much better touch and a much better target.  Despite 3 goals he was very rusty.

And I question if we would have beaten Saints without both those players.  I watched the first half of that game during the week and they were just hugely influential.  They are two of our best 6 to 8 players.

I'm just sick and tired of the pathetic stream of comments about the Carlton doctors.  It begs the issue of the stupidity of our players to be in the position to get reported in the first place.  It just shouldn't have happened and the Carlton doctors shouldn't have had to write reports about two undisciplined off ball incidents.  My view is that while people here have largely let them off the responsibility hook they are all too quick to bury ANB and others for skill errors and blame them for our losses when the two main culprits have been sitting in the stands.

It's a different view to those presented here.  I don't post "in agreement".

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5 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think we would have beaten Geelong.  The loss of Gawn meant Watts to ruck and Weed and Smith forward.  No forward structure as a result.  Hogan would have been invaluable allowing us to capitalize more on our dominance.  Lewis would have been invaluable down back.  If he'd played as he did against Saints we are a much better team.  I know it's moot but that's my opinion - they cost us the game.

I think we would have definately beaten Freo with them playing.  If you don't then don't read the rest.

Would Lewis have made a difference last night.  He wouldn't have made us worse and people here have been at pains to point out our lack of composure and kicking skills in defence.  Again moot but we only lost in the last quarter when the ball was in our backline continually.  That's where Lewis would have been.  If Hogan hasn't missed two weeks he'd have been in much better touch and a much better target.  Despite 3 goals he was very rusty.

And I question if we would have beaten Saints without both those players.  I watched the first half of that game during the week and they were just hugely influential.  They are two of our best 6 to 8 players.

I'm just sick and tired of the pathetic stream of comments about the Carlton doctors.  It begs the issue of the stupidity of our players to be in the position to get reported in the first place.  It just shouldn't have happened and the Carlton doctors shouldn't have had to write reports about two undisciplined off ball incidents.  My view is that while people here have largely let them off the responsibility hook they are all too quick to bury ANB and others for skill errors and blame them for our losses when the two main culprits have been sitting in the stands.

It's a different view to those presented here.  I don't post "in agreement".

I think, clearly, we would have been a better side in each of the losses with Lewis and Hogan. But I just think there was more to each of the losses than simply their absence.

The Fremantle one is the one they cost us the most. The other two are much harder to say with the forced lack of rotations in both and I don't think Lewis in the backline last night would have solved the problems we created ourselves earlier in the game. Would he have improved our efficiency in the first quarter (where the game was lost)? Possibly. I just think there's more to it than their absence.

You're entirely correct about their actions, though. I don't want to re-ignite an old debate but my personal view is that the two views can co-exist: both deserved to be suspended (and ought not be defended for being "tough") but neither deserved the length of suspension awarded.

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2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I think, clearly, we would have been a better side in each of the losses with Lewis and Hogan. But I just think there was more to each of the losses than simply their absence.

The Fremantle one is the one they cost us the most. The other two are much harder to say with the forced lack of rotations in both and I don't think Lewis in the backline last night would have solved the problems we created ourselves earlier in the game. Would he have improved our efficiency in the first quarter (where the game was lost)? Possibly. I just think there's more to it than their absence.

You're entirely correct about their actions, though. I don't want to re-ignite an old debate but my personal view is that the two views can co-exist: both deserved to be suspended (and ought not be defended for being "tough") but neither deserved the length of suspension awarded.

I agree there was more to the losses than purely those two but the question is "would we have won with those two players playing all games".  It's moot of course but I think we'd be unquestionably 3 -2 if not 4 - 1 and possibly 5-0 but I agree that's a stretch.

The reality is with Spencer and Gawn both out for extended periods (my mail is Spencer is at least 10 weeks) our chances of a meaningful season are shot which in a funny way lessens the impact of the stupidity of Lewis and Hogan (Vince gets off because we won the game he missed).  But stupid and irresponsible they were.  Even now if we miss the finals by a game or so they will be largely responsible but I suspect we aren't in the hunt which is very disappointing.  But I'd rather have the injury concerns this year than next such is the youth of our list.

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6 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I agree there was more to the losses than purely those two but the question is "would we have won with those two players playing all games".  It's moot of course but I think we'd be unquestionably 3 -2 if not 4 - 1 and possibly 5-0 but I agree that's a stretch.

The reality is with Spencer and Gawn both out for extended periods (my mail is Spencer is at least 10 weeks) our chances of a meaningful season are shot which in a funny way lessens the impact of the stupidity of Lewis and Hogan (Vince gets off because we won the game he missed).  But stupid and irresponsible they were.  Even now if we miss the finals by a game or so they will be largely responsible but I suspect we aren't in the hunt which is very disappointing.  But I'd rather have the injury concerns this year than next such is the youth of our list.

Do you think we beat Geelong and Richmond if we didn't lose our ruckmen (and subsequently Watts from the forward-line) in both games before half-time ?

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Just now, ProDee said:

Do you think we beat Geelong and Richmond if we didn't lose our ruckmen (and subsequently Watts from the forward-line) in both games before half-time ?

Yes, but we did lose our rucks.  And if Hogan and Lewis play we perhaps don't lose as a result (a sort of belts and braces approach - insurance).  It's silly to argue their loss had no impact and depending on where you sit you can argue game changing impact or not.  The point is we shouldn't have been in the position of what could have been (and we shouldn't be blaming the Carlton doctors).

The point of raising this (again) is the dust has now settled and the results are known. We can now sit back with all the results and ask ourselves "what impact did losing those two players on the outcome of the matches they missed".  Everyone will have a view and mine is that it was significantly costly.  I thought that at the time so I may just be supporting my initial position but I know we were effected, I know we were in winning positions in all the matches even after our rucks went down and I suspect with them (Lewis and Hogan) in the team we would have snuffed out any winning chances for the opposition well before the last quarters of Richmond and Geelong.

What do you think?

[What 18,810]

Petracca is having  a scan on his knee.  Thats the scariest thing an MFC supporter can hear.

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Just now, Vogon Poetry said:

Yes

What do you think?

I think we would have won without the injuries.  And probably would have won without the suspensions.

I doubt many disagree.