FAREWELL CHRIS DAWES

[Harbinger43 87]

A first class individual.   Did a lot around the club that goes unrecognised by many on this forum

unfortunately was just a bit short of the requisite skills in on or two areas that are well documented

[sue 8,515]

 

Then why else did he do it? We didn't see Dunn or Michie or Newton come out saying 'I'm happy to be paid less for the team' when they had barely played any games, had any impact and were about to be delisted. 

 

Can't win with some.  He gets criticised for getting paid so much more than other players and then gets mocked over this.

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Disappointed for Chris as things basically turned to poo, got a bit better then bottomed out again.

The coach he followed to Melbourne would be gone by mid season amid a run of losses that probably would have made him make some discrete visits to the Westpac centre to see if he could come back.

2014 was better but still the team was largely awful though he did win the goal kicking. 

The last two years basically saw him re litigating the same debate that occurred at Collingwood in his last days: do we go with a second forward who can pinch hit in the ruck or Dawesy? The outcome was the same as what happened at the Pies.

However, I feel that Chris' contribution will be more telling down the road. He provided a mature head during those dark early days. I sound like a broken record but it still stays with me when he contradicted Neeld during a presser and said that providing effort was a bare minimum and not something to be 'pleased over'. Jesse Hogan apparently loved playing with him as he was able to make the room that allowed the other forwards to get the best out of themselves (and is basically the role the Bear played/will play). 

Good luck Chris. The club was a better place for you having been here.

[stuie 7,374]

 

Then why else did he do it? We didn't see Dunn or Michie or Newton come out saying 'I'm happy to be paid less for the team' when they had barely played any games, had any impact and were about to be delisted. 

 

Michie - Rookie. Hardly think his salary makes any difference.

Newton - Not a rookie, but see above. Hardly think his $$$ makes any difference given he would have been on the minimum to begin with.

Dunn - Still contracted and wanted a change of clubs.

So all 3 are irrelevant examples. Plus there's the fact Dawes was still classed as a leader and clearly felt like he wanted to contribute if he could. Hardly something to pot someone about.

Classless posts from you.

 

[buck_nekkid 5,607]

Thanks for your efforts at Melbourne.

i love the fact that our team has evolved.  I see the role he played is now superseded by Hogan.  Our game style has evolved, and Chris helped us fill this void and allow Hogan to develop.  With Hogan re-signing, he was surplus to needs.  And we don't really know yet where Goody will take our structures and gameplan.

We have limited places and specific needs.  With Hogan, Weids and Hulett, and with Pedo in reserve, our young forward line has the pieces.  A ruck/forward is the bit that is missing, to support Maxy.  Mitch King will have a lot of admirers if he can step up into this role.  Dawes, simply was overtaken in his role.

[Soidee 1,496]

Have nothing against CD in a personal sense.  He tried hard I'm sure, however in the end he was paid huge money for very little success as an individual at the MFC.  Overrated and lucky to get that sort of money.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,661]

At least he tried. 

[stuie 7,374]

 

Have nothing against CD in a personal sense.  He tried hard I'm sure, however in the end he was paid huge money for very little success as an individual at the MFC.  Overrated and lucky to get that sort of money.

Average AFL salary is 380k, the rumour was Dawes was paid 500k. Hardly call that "huge money" when taken in context.

Do you begrudge Trengove being paid by the way?

 

[pinkshark 935]

I loved his effort.  His on field leadership I thought was honest and natural.  Not nearly as much of a donkey as many on here suggest.  Injuries and a developing team, the stars just did not align for him to be viewed as a successful recruit.  As for the money he was paid, thats not his problem.   I never look at players and analyse their performance against their salary.  Its a stupid, pointless thing to do.  Dawes represented our club with integrity and tried his hardest and played very well and competed very well numerous times.  What more could he do in an ordinary side?   Thanks for your efforts Dawesy.  

[CityDee 738]

Thanks Dawesy!!!

A shining light during the bleak Neeld days giving as a target and a semblance of structure playing a traditional chf position . 

Tried hard and I reckon a good option as a depth player - Im hoping at the dees but unlikely now . 

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

 

 Dawes, simply was overtaken in his role.

Regrettably, Dawes was not "overtaken" in his role.

He could not perform the role.

Admire his work ethic and other qualities but his glaring, planet-size deficiency made it impossible for him to hold a spot in an AFL team.

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

 

What more could he do in an ordinary side?

At a guess ... hold on to the pill?

[Moonshadow 16,515]

 

Regrettably, Dawes was not "overtaken" in his role.

He could not perform the role.

Admire his work ethic and other qualities but his glaring, planet-size deficiency made it impossible for him to hold a spot in an AFL team.

WTF is the difference? Seriously, you are splitting very small hairs. Whatever the reason he wasn't up to it. End of story. The rest of it is beside the point. 

[jnrmac 19,412]

 

Can't win with some.  He gets criticised for getting paid so much more than other players and then gets mocked over this.

Only by idiots.

[Satyriconhome 10,013]

 

Regrettably, Dawes was not "overtaken" in his role.

He could not perform the role.

Admire his work ethic and other qualities but his glaring, planet-size deficiency made it impossible for him to hold a spot in an AFL team.

Was this Uranus?

[Sir Why You Little 35,223]

Good Luck Dawesy. Top bloke who just got too many injuries

i was always wanting to see Chris play in September wearing Red & Blue but it wasn't to be. 

Always welcome back...

[jumbo returns 6,598]

 

Good Luck Dawesy. Top bloke who just got too many injuries

i was always wanting to see Chris play in September wearing Red & Blue but it wasn't to be. 

Always welcome back...

I hope he returns in a coaching role - excellent mentor and role model for young men.

[daisycutter 28,709]

 

Average AFL salary is 380k, the rumour was Dawes was paid 500k. Hardly call that "huge money" when taken in context.

Do you begrudge Trengove being paid by the way?

 

you keep quoting that figure when the true figure is much much less, but don't let that stop you

[Demonsone 1,703]

Part of footy landscape.. It's called list mgt .. Ask Lewis & Mitchell .. 4 time premiership players .. Both 1& 2 in b&f  & moved on!  I'm sure club tried to trade him as they did for Dunn.. 

[stuie 7,374]

 

you keep quoting that figure when the true figure is much much less, but don't let that stop you

You're right, it's forecast at being about $330k, I was actually thinking of next year's average.

Still, 380 compared to 330 is not really "much much less".

Oh and here's my source, where's yours btw?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-12/afl-players-average-salaries-top-300k-for-the-first-time

 

[daisycutter 28,709]

 

You're right, it's forecast at being about $330k, I was actually thinking of next year's average.

Still, 380 compared to 330 is not really "much much less".

Oh and here's my source, where's yours btw?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-12/afl-players-average-salaries-top-300k-for-the-first-time

 

330 is still too high to be a true average

44 x 330 = $14.52M

leave out rookies 40 x 330 = $13.2M

2016 cap is $10.6M with a min of $10.07M (i.e. 95%) except for gws which is slightly higher

[stuie 7,374]

 

330 is still too high to be a true average

44 x 330 = $14.52M

leave out rookies 40 x 330 = $13.2M

2016 cap is $10.6M with a min of $10.07M (i.e. 95%) except for gws which is slightly higher

Firstly, you do understand what "average" means yes?

Secondly, I'm quoting official AFL figures so maybe you want to write to their accounting department for an explanation of "total player payments across the competition reached a record $200.2 million", which equals $11.12 million per club (over the salary cap).

OR maybe you can comprehend that maybe you don't know everything....

Still waiting on your source btw.

Oh, and maybe actually read the article before commenting.

 

Edited October 24, 2016 by stuie

[daisycutter 28,709]

first you quoted 380 then 330 then gave a reference to 300!

lets look at the reference, which doesn't seem too add up either

it quotes a total salary paid by all clubs off $200.2M. This figure includes items above the cap, presumably is for all players on any list (e.g rookies, b-rookies), sydney's cola, gws and suns temporary excess allowances and older veterans discounts, etc)

the number of players would be 44 x 18 =   792. Let's make it 800 to include b-rookies and gws, suns extra lists.

now $200.2M / 800 = 250k average, so I still can't see where they came up with 300 without being selective of some figures somewhere. 

 

[stuie 7,374]

 

first you quoted 380 then 330 then gave a reference to 300!

lets look at the reference, which doesn't seem too add up either

it quotes a total salary paid by all clubs off $200.2M. This figure includes items above the cap, presumably is for all players on any list (e.g rookies, b-rookies), sydney's cola, gws and suns temporary excess allowances and older veterans discounts, etc)

the number of players would be 44 x 18 =   792. Let's make it 800 to include b-rookies and gws, suns extra lists.

now $200.2M / 800 = 250k average, so I still can't see where they came up with 300 without being selective of some figures somewhere. 

 

Read. The. Article. FFS.

I'm not going to hold your hand and guide you through it.

Read it. Take note of how the figures were worked out, and then look at the % rises.

I'll wait for you to do it.

 

[daisycutter 28,709]

btw i didn't originally query the 300 figure, just your revised figure of 330 which somehow you thought 300 justified your 330