FA & Trade Whispers

[Whispering_Jack 27,971]

5 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Welcome to Dreamland if we snagged all 3 plus Vardy. 

All aquiver at the mere prospect. 

Not to forget that someone also mentioned Tippet as well.

How far can you stretch your salary cap?

[DeeZee 6,732]

You can't much bigger fish than two all Australian A graders

[Redleg 37,582]

21 minutes ago, GCDee said:

You are right that is not possible... but the rumor posted is our 2017 first round, our 2016 second round (pick 29) and Dunn for Rockliff and 19 and a pick in the mid 30s that brisbane have not yet acquired.

To me i think that the AFL might step in and not allow brissy to trade their compo pick (19) so we might very well end up with their second round which is pick 21 which we could ontrade to the bummers for Hibberd  (possibly somthing coming back our way but I wouldnt be too fussed if we don't) or best case we manage to get Hibberd for our mid 30s pick..

So for us our trade period could look

Out 2017 first, pick 29, pick 66 & Dunn

In Rockliff, Lewis, Hibberd & pick 21 or mid 30s (depending on the hibberd trade)

That looks like an amazing result for us especially if our 2017 pick can be in the teens... and overall looks fair for all teams we trade with.

We could then go to the draft with our pick 21 or mid 30s or use it to aquire a tempory ruck forward.

Brisbane can do what it wants with the PP.

[Cards13 9,117]

3 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Giving up our 2017 1st may be a bit risky

Next years draft is stacked 

We need picks to land a big fish

The draft is inherently risky, depends on so many factors even as we have seen, when you do have stacks of low end first rounds pick you can totally fark it up.

You'd rather grabbing players that have shown they can play the game than a prospect that may not pan out, there is a little more certainty in an uncertain world.. Plus the fact we have stockpiled what looks like a heap of young top end talent in the last couple of years. Some older, proven blokes will hopefully see us leap ahead rather than another year or 2 of development.

[Cards13 9,117]

3 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Not to forget that someone also mentioned Tippet as well.

How far can you stretch your salary cap?

Maybe we will ask Nate Jones to explore his options.....  

[Redleg 37,582]

26 minutes ago, whelan45 said:

It just seems strange to me that Essendon would be OK with taking a mid 30's pick for Hibberd rather than our pick 29. 

To me that only leaves trading pick 19 to Essendon for Hibberd, with maybe another pick coming back from their end?

We would not give Bombers a pick 19 if we had it for Hibberd. Way too high and more than agreed.

[Wormburner 674]

12 minutes ago, Redleg said:

We would not give Bombers a pick 19 if we had it for Hibberd. Way too high and more than agreed.

No

[MadAsHell 4,088]

Ok, so the way I'm interpreting all this is:

I reckon the Hanley to Gold Coast trade will play a part, and Pick 44 (currently Gold Coast) will find it's way to Brisbane.

We then trade Dunn, 2017 1st Round Pick & Pick 29 to Brisbane

Rockliff, Pick 19 & 44 then come back to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade Pick 19 to Essendon 

Hibberd & Pick 41 to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade one of Picks 41, 44 or 48 to Hawthorn for Lewis

Alternatively if we could trade Pick 44 & a player (Vanders/Nibbler) to Essendon for Hibberd that would be ideal. We could then trade 48 for Lewis and take 19 to the draft!

Edited October 15, 2016 by AngryAtCasey

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,172]

In my view it is not important that we draft more kids this year and next. As has been shown we have a young list and more so a young best 22.The focus needs to be on how do you accelerate their development and create as much surety that 8-10 of our under 23 become elite or true A grade players. Unlike most other clubs their is a bunch of players with these traits already on our list (granted you can always have more). Supporting them with quality mature players in Hibberd back, Lewis midfield and Rockliff forward/mid is a good place to start. We still need some outside run and a forward/ruck but I think we have seen enough of Jason Taylor to know that he will pick some gold out of the draft to focus on these needs.

[Demons11 6,404]

1 minute ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Ok, so the way U'm interpreting all this is:

I reckon the Hanley to Gold Coast trade will play a part, and Pick 44 (currently Gold Coast) will find it's way to Brisbane.

We then trade Dunn, 2017 1st Round Pick & Pick 29 to Brisbane

Rockliff, Pick 19 & 44 then come back to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade Pick 19 to Essendon 

Hibberd & Pick 41 to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade one of Picks 41, 44 or 48 to Hawthorn for Lewis

Alternatively if we could trade Pick 44 & a player (Vanders/Nibbler) to Essendon for Hibberd that would be ideal. We could then trade 48 for Lewis and take 19 to the draft!

We won't be trading pick 19 to Essendon when they are happy with pick 28

[Redleg 37,582]

Dogs free agent becomes part of Eagles' 'pretty wide net' of options.    From AFL site.

That is how you describe a good side targeting a range of players.

"The scattergun approach". 

That is how we were described when we were crap and when we chased a couple of players.

Notice the difference?

[GCDee 3,006]

1 minute ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

In my view it is not important that we draft more kids this year and next. As has been shown we have a young list and more so a young best 22.The focus needs to be on how do you accelerate their development and create as much surety that 8-10 of our under 23 become elite or true A grade players. Unlike most other clubs their is a bunch of players with these traits already on our list (granted you can always have more). Supporting them with quality mature players in Hibberd back, Lewis midfield and Rockliff forward/mid is a good place to start. We still need some outside run and a forward/ruck but I think we have seen enough of Jason Taylor to know that he will pick some gold out of the draft to focus on these needs.

I agree.. if we continue to focus on the draft we will just become a feeder club of talent. We need a more even spread of age.

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Hahahhahaa the rumour comes full circle. 

How the Alchemy of Rumours works !!

 

[GCDee 3,006]

I only just saw tippett is also a possibility? 

What will our cap be looking like?

I cant imagine lewis & Hibberd being on a huge amount, I'm assuming brissy would have to pay a portion of rockliffs contract if he is on the amount he is rumoured to be on.. 

I'm assuming Dawes and Grimes leaving would free up some cap room (who knows what type of contract crazy neeld signed those boys on) but surely we would be getting close to max if we go for Tippett on top of Lewis, Rockliff and Hibberd

[Redleg 37,582]

4 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Ok, so the way I'm interpreting all this is:

I reckon the Hanley to Gold Coast trade will play a part, and Pick 44 (currently Gold Coast) will find it's way to Brisbane.

We then trade Dunn, 2017 1st Round Pick & Pick 29 to Brisbane

Rockliff, Pick 19 & 44 then come back to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade Pick 19 to Essendon 

Hibberd & Pick 41 to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade one of Picks 41, 44 or 48 to Hawthorn for Lewis

Alternatively if we could trade Pick 44 & a player (Vanders/Nibbler) to Essendon for Hibberd that would be ideal. We could then trade 48 for Lewis and take 19 to the draft!

If we get 19, it won't go to Bombers, unless we get a slightly worse pick back, not 41.

I f we get 19, that would be our first draft pick and would be very valuable to us.

[MadAsHell 4,088]

9 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

We won't be trading pick 19 to Essendon when they are happy with pick 28

If we don't have that pick anylonger due to other trades then we may have to.

[Lucifers Hero 37,008]

Our draft picks currently are: 29, 48, 66, 84, 102, 120.  The first two or three are in play for Hibberd/Lewis/ Rockliff and if rumours are correct there are some high 1st rnd/low 2nd rnd picks to come back which may also be in play for those players.

Not sure where we end up with early picks but there won't be many inside the top 50 (1 maybe 2 at this stage). 

To cover the AFL requirement to take at least 3 picks to the draft I would say there is a very good chance that Smith and Wagner will be upgraded with the last two picks (using draft picks for rookie upgrades are counted as part of the 3).  A nice reward for those guys.

Edited October 15, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Clintosaurus 6,436]

Jaeger O'Meara trade thread on BF is hilarious. The arrogance of Hawks supporters in full effect.

[beelzebub 22,225]

32 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

In my view it is not important that we draft more kids this year and next. As has been shown we have a young list and more so a young best 22.The focus needs to be on how do you accelerate their development and create as much surety that 8-10 of our under 23 become elite or true A grade players. Unlike most other clubs their is a bunch of players with these traits already on our list (granted you can always have more). Supporting them with quality mature players in Hibberd back, Lewis midfield and Rockliff forward/mid is a good place to start. We still need some outside run and a forward/ruck but I think we have seen enough of Jason Taylor to know that he will pick some gold out of the draft to focus on these needs.

Time is NOW

Hit the GO button. There are always opportunities to recruit players, there are not always opportunities to allow the synergies of a particular occasion to manifest and do their magic

Should it indeed transpire we get Lewis, then he along with Hibberd ( I presume just a delayed result ) together with Milkshake, along with the atypical and non-surprising preseason of training houses, ne neighbourhoods , down should have quite the dynamic result.

There's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on tomorrow.......but every game is played in the "today"

Just those three players ( let alone any other 'additions') ought to kick us up a gear or two. We have quite a bit of emerging talent; lets fire it up.

There are NO silver bullets. No instant panaceas for poor performing teams. What you can do is revitalise the bed you're growing your  crop in, nourish it and when opportune give it 'super nourishment'. Not too much, but enough to provide that catalyst for a surged growth.

Im sure we're indeed looking for some form of tall going forward, but if bargains present to supercharge your engine....id take them first. We can make the fwd line work. It may not be the perfect combo up front but with a midfiled working better and half backs able to stream forward and pinch hit with scores Im none too fussed.

Jesus, we're starting to look like a halfway decent side

Edited October 15, 2016 by beelzebub

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Jaeger O'Meara trade thread on BF is hilarious. The arrogance of Hawks supporters in full effect.

Let them have their little laughs now ....

[chook fowler 18,227]

20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How the Alchemy of Rumours works !!

 

Love a good ouroboros - as long as we don't end up like Sisyphus

[hells bells 2,022]

51 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Not to forget that someone also mentioned Tippet as well.

How far can you stretch your salary cap?

WJ where has the Tippett rumour come from? Sounds like a Facebook/Bigfooty basis to me.

[Bring Back Barassi 532]

20 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Love a good ouroboros - as long as we don't end up like Sisyphus

Sisyphos is not a bad option at all... been to Berlin lately ??

[Demi Dee 578]

23 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Love a good ouroboros - as long as we don't end up like Sisyphus

Hasn't he been our team mascot for the last decade?

[Redleg 37,582]

40 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Our draft picks currently are: 29, 48, 66, 84, 102, 120.  The first two or three are in play for Hibberd/Lewis/ Rockliff and if rumours are correct there are some high 1st rnd/low 2nd rnd picks to come back which may also be in play for those players.

Not sure where we end up with early picks but there won't be many inside the top 50 (1 maybe 2 at this stage). 

To cover the AFL requirement to take at least 3 picks to the draft I would say there is a very good chance that Smith and Wagner will be upgraded with the last two picks (using draft picks for rookie upgrades are counted as part of the 3).  A nice reward for those guys.

I don't think you have to have 3  draft picks, you need 3 changes to your list. For example you just upgrade 3 rookies and that could be it.