RICHMOND v CASEY SCORPIONS

[Biffen 12,342]

Is Tim Smith AFL standard?

I've seen him kick some classy goals from the centre bounce.

Does he smoke Winfield Reds or did he go to the wrong school or something?

Seems to be better that some of our battlers?

[DeeSpencer 23,184]

5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Clearly (perhaps not)  I'm referring to them developing into the players we know they'll become. 

I'm not referring to next week or the rest of the year. 

Fair point. I'm just sick of seeing people who don't understand the importance of elite runners in a team, particularly when it comes to the outside mids. So when I saw the sooner the better I probably unfairly lumped you in with that group.

Seems to be a fair bit of it around, even from AFL coaches who don't grasp it. Clarko led the way with Hill and Smith torching the wings and it's taken years for other clubs to adapt. 

The Giants use Scully, Whitfield and Kelly to great benefit. Sydney have Hannebery as a weapon inside but have focused on getting more run in their side.

Matt Jones is a bit of a necessary evil right now. And I will defend Buggy. He won some crucial contests today and has done it most of the year. To have a guy who's going to always be running to provide an option and you can trust that if you kick it his way he'll give his all to win it is very handy. I don't mind the idea of him being the 22nd picked each week and in the side because he'll work his backside off covering others and put his body on the line. We'll have a good team if we can start leaving him out. Or if we can get him to use his right side he could probably stick in the team as a quality player. That would be a nice option!

[dazzledavey36 48,849]

I really hope we rookie Declan Keilty. Has some seriously strong dukes and is a decent kick

Tim Smith is an interesting prospect. He would make a handy mature age forward depth option and would certainly be worth a look also. Couldn't be any worse then Dawes.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

6 hours ago, chook fowler said:

How old is Tim Smith? Seems unlucky to have never been drafted

Someone asked one of the coaches or recruiters a while ago about Smith.  The reply was that he's just too inconsistent.  He'll kick a bag one week and then do nothing for the next three. 

[chook fowler 18,278]

29 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Someone asked one of the coaches or recruiters a while ago about Smith.  The reply was that he's just too inconsistent.  He'll kick a bag one week and then do nothing for the next three. 

Seems better than that this year

[DeeSpencer 23,184]

1 hour ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Someone asked one of the coaches or recruiters a while ago about Smith.  The reply was that he's just too inconsistent.  He'll kick a bag one week and then do nothing for the next three. 

His stats and times in the best this year suggest he's more consistent and doing well playing as a half forward sacrificing his game to allow Casey to play 3 or 4 other talls in the forward line. 

18 goals, 6 times in the best from 10 games. 

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=194472567&client=1-118-10449-392693-8069487&ocompID=392693

Sam Lloyd kicked 38 goals from 17 games at Frankston before he was drafted. 

I'd say given he's a bit older that Smith would want to build on his form for the rest of the year but it's a shame there's not mid season drafts and we couldn't give him a run instead of the current options of Dawes/Pedda or the kids who aren't ready.

[Red and Blue Flame 142]

14 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

And anyone in for Frost....he is off AFL by a long way at the moment. We are one man down in defence when he plays and one man down with Dawes in as well. Dawes looks ok when playing against ordinary sides like the Pies (at the moment) which lulls some (including me at times) into thinking he offers us something.

Who do we bring in for Frost down back? When is H back?

Grimes for Ben Ken? BK mostly an outside player but pretty bad disposal so isn't giving us much when he does get it.  Some might say Grimes is as bad but he gets more contested stuff and more versatile.

Have you seen Oscar McDonald? Frost has more upside - yes he makes errors, but we could talk about both McDonalds all day regarding their disposal and decision-making.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,452]

1 hour ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Have you seen Oscar McDonald? Frost has more upside - yes he makes errors, but we could talk about both McDonalds all day regarding their disposal and decision-making.

Not sure I agree. Oscar is just 20; Frost is nearly 23. Oscar has yet to fully develop his body; Frost has a much stronger physique. I don't know if either will make it, but Frost strikes me as an athlete first (and a very good one) who needs to improve his skills (which aren't good) whereas Oscar is a footballer who needs to develop his body. Whether Frost can improve his skills as much as Oscar his body will, I think, determine which of the two becomes the better asset.

[Brownie 5,274]

18 hours ago, dave said:

Yep, Dawes was hopeless today, either Hulett or Weiderman need to get their first next week

but Dawes is sooooooo good at bringing the ball to ground. even with chest marks.

[old dee 22,925]

16 minutes ago, Brownie said:

but Dawes is sooooooo good at bringing the ball to ground. even with chest marks.

You win my prize for comment of the day Brownie

[DemonDave 1,078]

Did anyone else see, early in the 2nd quarter, Daniel Rioli stream out of the centre square with the clearance and send a beautiful long kick into....Caseys forward line?
The poor kid had kicked it to the wrong end! And we got a goal out of it. I left not long after that to head to the G, but comedy play of the day hands down.

Keilty copped an absolute bone-jarring hit from who I assume was one of the Richmond ruckmen early in this game too, so not sure if he recovered and came back on or not?

 

[Whispering_Jack 28,003]

The statistics:-

 

Angus Brayshaw 18 disposals 8 kicks 10 handballs 6 tackles 62 dream team points

Lynden Dunn 20 disposals 13  kicks 7 handballs 5 marks 5 tackles 89 dream team points

Colin Garland 15 disposals 11 kicks 4 handballs 6 marks 5 tackles 76 dream team points

Jack Grimes 2 behinds 27 disposals 16 kicks 11 handballs 10 marks 2 tackles 107 dream team points

Liam Hulett 2 goals 1 behind 12 disposals 10 kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 62 dream team points

Max King 3 disposals 1 kicks 2 handballs 1 marks 3 tackles 6 hit outs 28 dream team points

Heritier Lumumba 11 disposals 6 kicks 5 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 54 dream team points

Viv Michie 30 disposals 15 kicks 15 handballs 3 marks 86 dream team points

Alex Neale-Bullen 1 goal 1 behind 26 disposals 14 kicks 12 handballs 4 marks 3 tackles 89 dream team points

Ben Newton 16 disposals 8 kicks 8 handballs 2 marks 4 tackles 60 dream team points

Clayton Oliver 25 disposals 9 kicks 16 handballs 3 marks 11 tackles 1 hit out 106 dream team points

Jake Spencer 10 disposals 4 kicks 6 handballs 1 mark 4 tackles 42 hit outs 83 dream team points

Dean Terlich 1 behind 12 disposals 7 kicks 5 handballs 6 marks 2 tackles 1 hit out 56 dream team points

Jack Trengove14 disposals 5 kicks 9 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 1 hit out 60 dream team points

Sam Weideman 1 goal 11 disposals 7 kicks 4 handballs 7 marks 53 dream team points

Mitch White 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 75  dream team points

 

[old dee 22,925]

Based solely on those statts Four players screaming "I should be playing in Darwin'

Dunn, Grimes, ANB and Oliver.

ANB won't be the coach did not give him a big rap.

Dunn and Grimes are in the dog house so that probably means Oliver we be the only change.

[Salems Lot 2,377]

18 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

His stats and times in the best this year suggest he's more consistent and doing well playing as a half forward sacrificing his game to allow Casey to play 3 or 4 other talls in the forward line. 

18 goals, 6 times in the best from 10 games. 

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=194472567&client=1-118-10449-392693-8069487&ocompID=392693

Sam Lloyd kicked 38 goals from 17 games at Frankston before he was drafted. 

I'd say given he's a bit older that Smith would want to build on his form for the rest of the year but it's a shame there's not mid season drafts and we couldn't give him a run instead of the current options of Dawes/Pedda or the kids who aren't ready.

I bet it helps his game to be playing with so many afl players.  Campared to last year the list is so much stronger

[Vineytime 783]

23 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The statistics:-

 

Angus Brayshaw 18 disposals 8 kicks 10 handballs 6 tackles 62 dream team points

Lynden Dunn 20 disposals 13  kicks 7 handballs 5 marks 5 tackles 89 dream team points

Colin Garland 15 disposals 11 kicks 4 handballs 6 marks 5 tackles 76 dream team points

Jack Grimes 2 behinds 27 disposals 16 kicks 11 handballs 10 marks 2 tackles 107 dream team points

Liam Hulett 2 goals 1 behind 12 disposals 10 kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 62 dream team points

Max King 3 disposals 1 kicks 2 handballs 1 marks 3 tackles 6 hit outs 28 dream team points

Heritier Lumumba 11 disposals 6 kicks 5 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 54 dream team points

Viv Michie 30 disposals 15 kicks 15 handballs 3 marks 86 dream team points

Alex Neale-Bullen 1 goal 1 behind 26 disposals 14 kicks 12 handballs 4 marks 3 tackles 89 dream team points

Ben Newton 16 disposals 8 kicks 8 handballs 2 marks 4 tackles 60 dream team points

Clayton Oliver 25 disposals 9 kicks 16 handballs 3 marks 11 tackles 1 hit out 106 dream team points

Jake Spencer 10 disposals 4 kicks 6 handballs 1 mark 4 tackles 42 hit outs 83 dream team points

Dean Terlich 1 behind 12 disposals 7 kicks 5 handballs 6 marks 2 tackles 1 hit out 56 dream team points

Jack Trengove14 disposals 5 kicks 9 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 1 hit out 60 dream team points

Sam Weideman 1 goal 11 disposals 7 kicks 4 handballs 7 marks 53 dream team points

Mitch White 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 75  dream team points

 

Brayshaw only 18 disposals?? Twitter feeds suggested he was mid 20's for disposals. 

[KingDingAling 3,612]

I wouldn't upgrade any midfielder who has below 8 tackles. If the mids want to get into the main side they need to be working harder - that involves 1% acts like tackling. High tackling numbers tells me they are working hard, and they are defensively sound. I wouldn't even consider anyone below 8. I don't care if they kick 5 goals and have 50 touches. In the AFL they will still be caught out.

[DeeSpencer 23,184]

7 marks is nice for Weideman. I'd like him to get 20 touches and kick 5 goals every week but if he's just building his fitness and body then I'm happy if he does the job that separates good key forwards from bad ones which is take marks.

[old dee 22,925]

2 minutes ago, Vineytime said:

Brayshaw only 18 disposals?? Twitter feeds suggested he was mid 20's for disposals. 

I don't believe that Brayshaw should return to the AFL before he has displayed a good block of games at Casey . There are years ahead for him lets not ruin him by rushing him back.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,035]

18 minutes ago, old dee said:

Based solely on those statts Four players screaming "I should be playing in Darwin'

Dunn, Grimes, ANB and Oliver.

ANB won't be the coach did not give him a big rap.

Dunn and Grimes are in the dog house so that probably means Oliver we be the only change.

IIRC Trenners only played half a game, as he was on standby for the AFL team. So I would think 14 possessions in a half put him in the frame, possibly ahead of Oliver.

[DeeSpencer 23,184]

3 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

I wouldn't upgrade any midfielder who has below 8 tackles. If the mids want to get into the main side they need to be working harder - that involves 1% acts like tackling. High tackling numbers tells me they are working hard, and they are defensively sound. I wouldn't even consider anyone below 8. I don't care if they kick 5 goals and have 50 touches. In the AFL they will still be caught out.

Depends on the role and the game style I guess.

The perfect game of footy would have 0 tackles because you'd always have the ball. And if Spencer is winning the hit outs then just win the clearance and stuff tackling! But I agree on the sentiment I guess. We seem to laud the guy who gets 30 disposals in the VFL when the guy who had 20 might've done a lot more for the team.

[old dee 22,925]

1 minute ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

IIRC Trenners only played half a game, as he was on standby for the AFL team. So I would think 14 possessions in a half put him in the frame, possibly ahead of Oliver.

I have this feeling he has entered the same house as Dunn and Grimes.

Papers probably stamped 186 participants.

Why did he only play half a game? 

[picket fence 15,231]

20 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Someone asked one of the coaches or recruiters a while ago about Smith.  The reply was that he's just too inconsistent.  He'll kick a bag one week and then do nothing for the next three. 

Sheeit so he would still be an upgrade on Dawes!! He might just win a game of his own boot!! When has Dawsy ever done that??

[daisycutter 28,569]

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have this feeling he has entered the same house as Dunn and Grimes.

Papers probably stamped 186 participants.

Why did he only play half a game? 

emergency for seniors

[Red and Bluebeard 2,035]

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have this feeling he has entered the same house as Dunn and Grimes.

Papers probably stamped 186 participants.

Why did he only play half a game? 

I think it was because the AFL game started at 3.20, about an hour after the Casey game. So he was held back until after the AFL game started in case someone was injured in the warm up. But once the game started, he was free to play for Casey.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,035]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

emergency for seniors

Beat me to it, DC (no surprise there).