Around The Grounds - Round 14

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

mmmm GC 15pts up @ 1/4 time.

[John Demonic 5,505]

I'm glad St Kilda are a topic of discussion today. Their best has definitely surpassed our best in my opinion. Nick Riewoldt is probably the difference in terms of leadership, not to put nathan jones down but he is not a finals proven captain yet, which is not his fault. They played better than we have for a decade last night. I don't think they got Geelong at a worse time in form, as we did last year. But we're definitely not far behind, just have to polish up with some of our rough around the edges inexperienced errors that will come from becoming more mature.

Edited June 26, 2016 by johndemons

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Tom Lynch is a fantastic player. Giving our old mate Chip an absolute bath at the moment.

[mattjm 151]

frawley is getting schooled by lynch

[Maldonboy38 6,379]

I have been out of the loop for a day or two - is it humanly possible for anyone to explain the Hawk's jumper? I am guessing sposnsorship or awareness campaign but their history of the worst ever jumpers continues unchallenged. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

GC up by 1 point at half time.

Look out everyone, this means that GC have 'gone past us' and are 'progessing at a faster rate', while we've beaten no one of note and it's clear that Roos is taking us backwards.

[John Demonic 5,505]

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

GC up by 1 point at half time.

Look out everyone, this means that GC have 'gone past us' and are 'progessing at a faster rate', while we've beaten no one of note and it's clear that Roos is taking us backwards.

If Hawthorn genuinely throw everything at them, and GCS fight it out tooth and nail and overrun them then you could mount a case for saying their best is better than ours at present, IF they were genuinely down in the first half of the year because of injuries and are now only putting together their best squad. But I don't think they will.

 

Were you asleep in 2014 when they were on track to make the finals before Ablett went down?

Edited June 26, 2016 by johndemons

[jumbo returns 6,703]

What's with the Hawks' jumper? Yew!

[BAMF 4,112]

16 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

I have been out of the loop for a day or two - is it humanly possible for anyone to explain the Hawk's jumper? I am guessing sposnsorship or awareness campaign but their history of the worst ever jumpers continues unchallenged. 

I think they actually try to make it horrible. Pink brown with a touch of yellow. Surely the marketing department know they have the worst jumpers and just play on it.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

37 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

GC up by 1 point at half time.

Look out everyone, this means that GC have 'gone past us' and are 'progessing at a faster rate', while we've beaten no one of note and it's clear that Roos is taking us backwards.

MFCSS...

[Ethan Tremblay 30,020]

Not many at the game, have the Tasweigans fallen out of love with the Hawks, bored of them like the rest of us? Or has their jumper made them physically sick?

Edited June 26, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[Ted Lasso 18,783]

On 6/26/2016 at 4:39 PM, johndemons said:

If Hawthorn genuinely throw everything at them, and GCS fight it out tooth and nail and overrun them then you could mount a case for saying their best is better than ours at present, IF they were genuinely down in the first half of the year because of injuries and are now only putting together their best squad. But I don't think they will.

 

Were you asleep in 2014 when they were on track to make the finals before Ablett went down?

I think it's foolish to think that any one game can define where a team is at in an overall sense, beating Hawthorn today wouldn't make up for the Suns losing consistently by 70 plus points this season.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not many at the game, have the tasweigans fallen out of love with the Hawks, bored of them like the rest of us? Or has their jumper made them physically sick?

Both! Lol.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

55 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

GC up by 1 point at half time.

Look out everyone, this means that GC have 'gone past us' and are 'progessing at a faster rate', while we've beaten no one of note and it's clear that Roos is taking us backwards.

Actually i think we were up by a point againt the Hawks at 1/2 time? THAT MEANS THE GOLD COAST HAVE DRAWN LEVEL WITH US!!!!!!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Wadda We Sing said:

Actually i think we were up by a point againt the Hawks at 1/2 time? THAT MEANS THE GOLD COAST HAVE DRAWN LEVEL WITH US!!!!!!

No!  It can't be!

Must be Schwab's fault.

[praha 11,120]

Astonishing how Hawthorn is first on the ladder more than half-way through the year despite looking more vulnerable than they have at any other point since 2011. 

If they win the flag again this year, it would be an indictment on the league's equalisation measures.

[titan_uranus 24,617]

7 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Ok, "officially" was a probably a poor choice of words.

How about- St Kilda are progressing better than us at the moment. The Saints have a had a tougher draw than us and had very honourable close losses against Hawthorn and North. Win next week against GC and they'll be 7-7, an easy draw to come and finals a slight possibility.

Meanwhile we've had a very easy draw, beating our bunnies in Collingwood and Richmond as well as the rubbish QLD sides, and have a horror draw to come.

The one thing we have over them is beating GWS at home.

St Kilda will finish higher on the ladder than is which I'm disappointed about, because unlike the Dogs I thought we'd always be a bit ahead of them in our race to the finals.

Honourable losses against Hawthorn and North? Same for us, if you have fogotten.

As 45hg pointed out earlier, they haven't beaten anyone good other than Geel. 

And something you haven't mentioned is that St Kilda have had two major blowouts whilst we haven't.

As for our "bunnies", we hadn't beaten Collingwood for 8 years until last year whilst Richmond have played finals the last 3 years - they may not be superstar teams but our wins against them have far more meaning and relevance than you are letting on.

4 hours ago, rjay said:

Geelong are down hill skiers...be interesting to watch their progress this year.

They have an A grade midfield when things are going their way, come unstuck when things are not.

Actually IMO the problem is somewhat the opposite. They seem to get themselves up for games against the best (beating GWS, North and WB in consecutive weeks) but they routinely lose to mid-ranked sides (Coll, Carl, St K).

To me that means the problem for them will be finishing top 2/4, as they may drop easier games, but once they make finals I still see them as a threat.

[Ricky P 757]

It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that both St Kilda and Melbourne are getting better at around the same pace. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Moonshadow 17,544]

24 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that both St Kilda and Melbourne are getting better at around the same pace. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Balance and reason will get you nowhere on this board Ricky. 

[John Demonic 5,505]

No ones saying its

44 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that both St Kilda and Melbourne are getting better at around the same pace. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I believe the point is that St Kilda are showing they're slightly ahead in pace because they've beaten a top 8 team this year. We can step up and beat one and then we might be "around the same" pace

Edited June 26, 2016 by johndemons

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, johndemons said:

No ones saying its

I believe the point is that St Kilda are showing they're slightly ahead in pace because they've beaten a top 8 team this year. 

Just as we have.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

[John Demonic 5,505]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

Just as we have.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Aren't you doing precisely that by mentioning a team in round 1 playing away that hadn't gone anywhere near their top gear ?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, johndemons said:

Aren't you doing precisely that by mentioning a team in round 1 playing away that hadn't gone anywhere near their top gear ?

No.  They're a top 8 side, as evidenced by their current position.  We rolled them.

As Ricky said, I think both clubs are on the same trajectory right now.

[John Demonic 5,505]

It's also possible that St Kilda are slightly ahead, but on the same trajectory as us: because they actually stepped up a gear when a top 8 team hit their best form in the third and fourth quarter, but held and on found a way to win in a very mature fashion. I'd like to see us do that as well as beating the Saints, before declaring us the same.

Edited June 26, 2016 by johndemons

[leave it to deever 17,451]

On 6/23/2016 at 10:34 PM, hemingway said:

Brad does not endear himself that's for sure. Nor does his brother but I think Brad shades him at the post . Two undearing twins. 

Love to be a fly on the wall at the family Christmas party. Pass the fu&5@3g turkey you @56173&5