The Jesse Hogan Panic Room - all contract talk here

[Flamingdees 227]

29 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I too would love for Hogan to sign an extension, but when you step back and think for a moment... Why should he. He negotiated an extension to his contract, he's signed until the end of 2017, it's unfair that we are putting so much heat on this player and none of the others on our list whose contract expires next year.

When you take the emotion out of it that's the starc reality. 

[old55 23,699]

25 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

It's honestly hilarious that Fyfe's name is being thrown up as compensation.

He will never leave Freo.

Ever.

It would not surprise me in the least if Fyfe was at Hawthorn as a FA in 2018.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

1 minute ago, Fifty-5 said:

It would not surprise me in the least if Fyfe was at Hawthorn as a FA in 2018.

or Geelong...

[Flamingdees 227]

12 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yep I agree with this line of thinking. Again I reckon we will be screwed over! Again and again! The agony never ends!!

I have no doubt at all that if Jesse leaves we will be compensated having said that what is fair compensation???

Jesse is a tall forward, only 21, rising star winner, has a better record than most tall stars of the game at the same age and someone you can build your team around. 

Were compensated with draft picks - it's a lottery. 

Were compensated with picks and players. Once again draft is a lottery and players are not going to be near Jesses quality. 

Even if we're compensated with say Neal from Freo, yea his a gun but not a tall young forward who could be that once in a generation player. 

So bottom line if Jesse leaves we will get screwed. 

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11 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

It would not surprise me in the least if Fyfe was at Hawthorn as a FA in 2018.

Gut feel tell me Fyfe will play out his career at Freo. Pending retirements will give plenty of cap space. 

No too many WA players who play for a WA club leave.

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

The way some people here are talking about Hogan's dad and his condition is horrendous.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Clint Bizkit

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

If I remember correctly, they wanted to wait until after the CBA was finalized to understand what was on offer (how much they could get).  The CBA was meant to be concluded earlier this year, but it has not.  Perhaps part of this non-decision is that this hasn't been resolved yet?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,967]

16 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

The way some people here are talking about Hogan's dad and his condition is horrendous.

What is his condition Clint? The only place I've heard anything about it on is Demonland. 

Edited September 22, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

13 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

What is his condition Clint? The only place I've heard anything about it on is Demonland. 

No idea, that's the point.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,967]

4 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

No idea, that's the point.

Got ya. And completely agree re your above post. 

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Got ya. And completely agree re your above post. 

Yep i agree, we're getting to close to the line, and if all those other bathtubs talk about personal sh3t let them.Including media ,other clubs,d'heads and promoters.

All these people want to do is push the situation too far and make MFC out to be the bad guy, can't we see that?

 

[DemonOX 8,800]

15 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

People are making out that this is a recent thing. It's not. We've had contract offers in front of him for over a year and he's refused to consider them. SEVEN MONTHS AGO he told the club he would not consider their offer until after this season. He's had seven months to think about whether he wants to keep playing for Melbourne. It's not unreasonable to want an answer. 

Well said Ralph. 

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6 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Well said Ralph. 

His contracted for next year so doesn't have to give us an answer. 

Guess the annoying thing here is that Jesse indicated he was looking at another contract with us only to put contract talks on hold for only reasons he knows. 

[praha 11,240]

2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I too would love for Hogan to sign an extension, but when you step back and think for a moment... Why should he. He negotiated an extension to his contract, he's signed until the end of 2017, it's unfair that we are putting so much heat on this player and none of the others on our list whose contract expires next year.

You're missing the point.

He doesn't *have* to do anything. I am not suggesting we *force* him to sign. Extensions protect the club by allowing them to manage the cap and list for a longer period of time: by tying him up they can rest assured he will be part of the future over the next 4-5. With one year left, it actually puts off that management by 12 months until he signs an extension. This is the reason why sporting clubs the world over offer players extensions: so they can get a head start on list management. If he doesn't sign an extension, the club is forced into planning two potentially different scenarios: life with him, and life without him. That's not easy. Who will they get for him? What is the draft like? What will their cap be like? Can they risk dumping players now, or should they keep deadweight?

After all we have been through for the past 10 years and 50 years more broadly, I desperately want the club to be on the front foot here. I just can't understand why if he is keen to stay he wouldn't sign an extension at some point this offseason. 

Letting it drag on and waiting for him to make a decision next year puts the club's list management direction almost entirely into the hands of Hogan.

If he can't make up his mind, he needs to be traded. He doesn't *have* to sign an extension. That's precisely the point. And that's why we need to consider trading him. Like I said: if he is keen to stay, there is no reason to reject an extension. Rarely does a player of his caliber say no to an extension and then end up staying at that club. It almost always means they want to leave.

Edited September 22, 2016 by praha

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I've mentioned it in my previous post. I have only one logical conclusion why he hasn't signed. It's not cause his father is sick or he is home sick. The real reason is we are not offering enough for him.

Scully left because of money. Frawley left because of money. Of course, if the money is similar from other clubs, then other factors come into it.

If he wants to go home, he would have requested to be traded immediately. He hasn't asked for this.

We need to up our offer and he needs to come down. If he wants over a million a year for the next 10 years, I fear he won't be playing for the Melbourne football club in 2018. If he does leave and cites homesickness as the reason, I don't buy it. It's all about the money.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,510]

12 minutes ago, praha said:

You're missing the point.

He doesn't *have* to do anything. I am not suggesting we *force* him to sign. Extensions protect the club by allowing them to manage the cap and list for a longer period of time: by tying him up they can rest assured he will be part of the future over the next 4-5. With one year left, it actually puts off that management by 12 months until he signs an extension. This is the reason why sporting clubs the world over offer players extensions: so they can get a head start on list management. If he doesn't sign an extension, the club is forced into planning two potentially different scenarios: life with him, and life without him. That's not easy. Who will they get for him? What is the draft like? What will their cap be like? Can they risk dumping players now, or should they keep deadweight?

After all we have been through for the past 10 years and 50 years more broadly, I desperately want the club to be on the front foot here. I just can't understand why if he is keen to stay he wouldn't sign an extension at some point this offseason. 

Letting it drag on and waiting for him to make a decision next year puts the club's list management direction almost entirely into the hands of Hogan.

If he can't make up his mind, he needs to be traded. He doesn't *have* to sign an extension. That's precisely the point. And that's why we need to consider trading him. Like I said: if he is keen to stay, there is no reason to reject an extension. Rarely does a player of his caliber say no to an extension and then end up staying at that club. It almost always means they want to leave.

But this is solely looking at the issue from the club's point of view, so yes, it is completely in the clubs interests to sign up Hogan now.  It does not however mean that it is in the player's interests to be pressured and coerced when he has an entire year to run on his contract.  While MFC doesn't seem to be doing this, it's what many supporters here want them to do; force his hand a year early or seek to trade him out.  Many are ignoring the fact that he is a contracted player who has every right to take his time to make a decision.  I don't like it, but it's unfair to Hogan to expect otherwise.

Every year between April and July there is usually a quick succession of signings announced by all clubs, but we are not allowing the same time-frame for Jesse Hogan.  Where's the pressure for other young players to sign on and extend?  Truth be told, I couldn't name for you a single other player whose contract is up at the end of next year without googling it... so where's their thread?  Should we be questioning the loyalty of Dom Tyson?  Why hasn't he kicked down Mahoney's door?  The club definitely wants to keep him, so where the pressure?

[P-man 13,366]

1 hour ago, praha said:

You're missing the point.

He doesn't *have* to do anything. I am not suggesting we *force* him to sign. Extensions protect the club by allowing them to manage the cap and list for a longer period of time: by tying him up they can rest assured he will be part of the future over the next 4-5. With one year left, it actually puts off that management by 12 months until he signs an extension. This is the reason why sporting clubs the world over offer players extensions: so they can get a head start on list management. If he doesn't sign an extension, the club is forced into planning two potentially different scenarios: life with him, and life without him. That's not easy. Who will they get for him? What is the draft like? What will their cap be like? Can they risk dumping players now, or should they keep deadweight?

After all we have been through for the past 10 years and 50 years more broadly, I desperately want the club to be on the front foot here. I just can't understand why if he is keen to stay he wouldn't sign an extension at some point this offseason. 

Letting it drag on and waiting for him to make a decision next year puts the club's list management direction almost entirely into the hands of Hogan.

If he can't make up his mind, he needs to be traded. He doesn't *have* to sign an extension. That's precisely the point. And that's why we need to consider trading him. Like I said: if he is keen to stay, there is no reason to reject an extension. Rarely does a player of his caliber say no to an extension and then end up staying at that club. It almost always means they want to leave.

I'm may be biased having been in Jesse's situation somewhat recently (which is why I've refrained from commenting), but I think the situation calls for compassion, not coercion.

This is a marquee player we're talking about who remains central to our future plans. It's big stakes pushing him out the door simply because he wouldn't extend a year before his contract expired.

Clearly it isn't ideal having him playing on next year without an extension for reasons of list management and reduced bargaining power, not to mention the outside distraction it causes. However given his importance and the personal circumstance he finds himself in, I think it's not only the right thing to do, the potential reward (him signing on during or at the conclusion of 2017) is one that's worth the risk.

Hopefully it gets sorted in the off season. If not, play on.

Edited September 22, 2016 by P-man

[Nasher 33,617]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

The way some people here are talking about Hogan's dad and his condition is horrendous.

If there's anything particularly off or inappropriate, make sure to report it please.  Can't speak for other moderators, but I generally don't read this thread.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

46 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If there's anything particularly off or inappropriate, make sure to report it please.  Can't speak for other moderators, but I generally don't read this thread.

It's probably the fact that people are even speculating about it, nothing specific.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Clint Bizkit

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3 hours ago, praha said:

You're missing the point.

He doesn't *have* to do anything. I am not suggesting we *force* him to sign. Extensions protect the club by allowing them to manage the cap and list for a longer period of time: by tying him up they can rest assured he will be part of the future over the next 4-5. With one year left, it actually puts off that management by 12 months until he signs an extension. This is the reason why sporting clubs the world over offer players extensions: so they can get a head start on list management. If he doesn't sign an extension, the club is forced into planning two potentially different scenarios: life with him, and life without him. That's not easy. Who will they get for him? What is the draft like? What will their cap be like? Can they risk dumping players now, or should they keep deadweight?

After all we have been through for the past 10 years and 50 years more broadly, I desperately want the club to be on the front foot here. I just can't understand why if he is keen to stay he wouldn't sign an extension at some point this offseason. 

Letting it drag on and waiting for him to make a decision next year puts the club's list management direction almost entirely into the hands of Hogan.

If he can't make up his mind, he needs to be traded. He doesn't *have* to sign an extension. That's precisely the point. And that's why we need to consider trading him. Like I said: if he is keen to stay, there is no reason to reject an extension. Rarely does a player of his caliber say no to an extension and then end up staying at that club. It almost always means they want to leave.

That's all 100% fine if you ignore the complication that apparently his father is gravely ill in Perth.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

I would MUCH rather established players than draft picks in exchange for Jesse 

[Flamingdees 227]

Looks like this thread is going to go around in circles until either Jesse or the club come out and say something.  

If it drags out till this time next year I can see about 10,000 threads. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,967]

31 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

That's all 100% fine if you ignore the complication that apparently his father is gravely ill in Perth.

The only other place I've read about this is Bigfooty, who's posters are embarrassingly quoting Demonland as the source. 

A poster posting simply "weeks not months" alluding to the time his father has left is disgustingly poor form. 

ET out. 

Edited September 22, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[McQueen 17,867]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The only other place I've read about this is Bigfooty, who's posters are embarrassingly quoting Demonland as the source. 

A poster posting simply "weeks not months" alluding to the time his father has left is disgustingly poor form. 

ET out. 

I've not posted a great deal in this thread either but it's quickly developing into something farcical.

Taking Ethan's lead, I'm also out and will await a definitive news report.

Later.

[Flamingdees 227]

4 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I've not posted a great deal in this thread either but it's quickly developing into something farcical.

Taking Ethan's lead, I'm also out and will await a definitive news report.

Later.

McQueen, me thinks you might be waiting a while.