POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 5

[Dr. Gonzo 22,414]

22 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Many Richmond supporters think it was the best match they've played this year.

My cousin and my wife's uncle both Richmond supporters said the same thing.  May not be saying much, but they definitely "came to play" same as the Pies last week. The fact we could match them, kick clear and never be headed despite multiple challenges bodes well for our maturity and our belief. 

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11 hours ago, Diamond said:

Someone needs to take Hogan aside and tell him to do a more normal run up to a set shot kick for goal than his current chicken run. He's young enough to change. When I've seen him do a proper run up like most other forwards he is accurate. I know that West coast have another chicken- runner but it's rare that this is successful and Hogan has plenty of years ahead of him to learn.

Yes well I said this same thing last year. In fact it will be the only thing that will prevent him achieving Champion status. Surely someone in the coaching dept can straighten this flaw out! LOOKS UGLY IS UGLY and fails to produce confidence when I se the ball in his hands with this set shot fiasco!

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58 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Many Richmond supporters think it was the best match they've played this year.

I chuckle heartily, and I agree. 

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1 hour ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

There actually is a rule against it.  It's a reportable offence and if found guilty it's a mandatory two week suspension.  I think it may have been called once shortly after the rule was enacted, but in general the umpires simply lack the courage to make the call, no matter how obvious the dive is. 

 

I agree it is hard to umpire on at the time but can't tje MRP go over the tapes and call some of these guys? At least name and shame them and tell them they are on notice. It may reduce the staging. And any review should highlight head ducking to the likes of Razor Ray, that it is best not to reward the Rances of the game who duck their head into every second tackle! 

[Hampton 22 519]

A small reflection on how well we're going is the fact that no one is lamenting the absence of Jake Melksham. It's great to have so much depth finally. 

And the crowd in the members last night was like what you experience in a Grand Final. 

[mrtwister 650]

8 minutes ago, Hampton 22 said:

A small reflection on how well we're going is the fact that no one is lamenting the absence of Jake Melksham. It's great to have so much depth finally. 

And the crowd in the members last night was like what you experience in a Grand Final. 

How bizarre. I was just wondering how Jake would be going if he was part of the team the last few weeks. If he was getting a game, who's spot would he have?

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4 minutes ago, mrtwister said:

How bizarre. I was just wondering how Jake would be going if he was part of the team the last few weeks. If he was getting a game, who's spot would he have?

Its a good question to have no answer for. In next year we will have Melksham and most likely a more ready to play version of weideman. Exciting times. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

Some of these players who can play, but can't get a game may be attractive trade bait come year's end. If we wanted a gorilla-handling full back for instance. Or another ruckman.

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22 minutes ago, mrtwister said:

How bizarre. I was just wondering how Jake would be going if he was part of the team the last few weeks. If he was getting a game, who's spot would he have?

Lumumba, I'd hope. 

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Let's not forget what this club has done 2 weeks in a row

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2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Does it really need to be pointed out what the difference was between Milne and Goodes? Come on, you're better than that.

What a bizarre post.

The question was asked if there'd ever been a player booed as much as Goodes and I gave an answer.

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Cotchin: But... but... *sniffle*...  This year we were finally meant to win a final! 

 

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58 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Lumumba, I'd hope. 

I'd hope that Melksham will allow Salem to play on a wing, so then what you're doing is putting pressure on the mids and half forwards to keep their form up. Whilst I've never rated him, if Goodwin and McCartney can turn Melksham around, he is definitely a goal kicker, no matter where he plays. More goal-scoring power once again.

I've gotta be honest and paraphrase that oft re-quoted Mark Neeldism and say I really didn't see our turn in form coming. We haven't beaten really strong teams yet, but I now believe we can. The leap in just four weeks from a psychological perspective is almost staggering. It's a credit to the players and to the FD. Not only should we beat St Kilda, I think we will beat St Kilda. Exciting times.

[Crompton's the man 635]

Well in the wash up from this round it transpires that Jack Viney is cleared by the MRP and Alex Rance is suspended for 2 weeks 

( as he should have been )

 

I'm very comfortable with the suspension ; I'm very uncomfortable with the criticism of Alex Rance on the basis that he's a Jehovah's Witness as alluded to by several posters.

A  person's worldview should hardly be the basis for pointing out their short-term failings.

There are few among us who could withstand that level of scrutiny although evidently some on Demonland and to those I convey my congratulations on their achievements 

 

 

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Lumumba has been fantastic. Ferocious intensity, run and dare and attack.  I'm happy to sacrifice the odd error or holding the ball for what he provides. Compare him to a grimes or garland? 

He may seem a bit reckless but a Big part of the attacking game plan is based on risk taking.

Edited April 25, 2016 by stranga

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32 minutes ago, ProDee said:

What a bizarre post.

The question was asked if there'd ever been a player booed as much as Goodes and I gave an answer.

I really don't want to get into an argument about this, because I know we disagree politically, but... let me say this. Goodes was certainly capable of doggery on the field. I didn't particularly like him as a player, but acknowledged his footballing brilliance. However... the 'person x is divisive' line is usually code for 'this challenges my status as the majority'. The booing of Adam Goodes had something else at play here and I know from having read your previous posts for the last 7 or 8 years that you're aware of this. 

I hope I'm not jumping down the rabbit-hole here...  

[Winners at last 4,727]

I agree that Lumumba is way better than Grimes and Garlo. Shame that the game has pretty much passed those fine foot soldiers by. (How's that for a corny line?)

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned. But i think the team had over 400 possessions against Richmond. That is Geelongesque from their successful period. Only sides with really good skills can get away with that. It is otherwise overusing the ball, which is why there were so many turnovers. 

I'm really impressed with the young guys - Hunt & Wagner. The fact that the side is better, has some structure and a workable game plan makes it easier for young players to slot in. In the past it was almost impossible for young guys coming into a side that was poorly coached and was a complete rabble that expected to lose. 

An aside. I sat in the MCC members (I'm also a MFC member!!!) yesterday between some Tigers supporters. The guy on my right was really pleasant, and we had a nice chat before the game, and even during the first quarter. The guys on the other side were middle aged aggressive nasty loud unpleasant types. So unpleasant that I had to move at qtr time. I told them that I couldnt put up with their behaviour any longer. They were proud of their achievement, taunted me and high fived each other.

As the match unfolded, I guess I had the last laugh. (PS. I presume the only real pleasure these bogans got for the rest of the game was watching Rance coward punching Watts; right up their alley.)

Go Dees!!!

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Deecisive said:

in the second quarter with about 11mins to go, Riewoldt kicks a goal and then you can hear the umpire telling him that he is still watching out for something. Anyone know what he was complaining about and how come the umps are paying special attention to and why?

I paid a bit of attention to this conversation between Riewoldt and the umpire on the replay. I thought Riewoldt said " watch Pederson " I went back to the replay of Riewoldt's goal and Pederson wasn't anywhere near him. I may be wrong, but that's what I reckon I heard.

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

18 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

I paid a bit of attention to this conversation between Riewoldt and the umpire on the replay. I thought Riewoldt said " watch Pederson " I went back to the replay of Riewoldt's goal and Pederson wasn't anywhere near him. I may be wrong, but that's what I reckon I heard.

I'm not sure when Pederson gave away the shepherding free kick in the marking contest but this could have been from his comments to the umpire creating awareness. 

Finally looking like a side on the up, list management and playing style seems to have been impressive of late. Hard to find the 4-5 players that would be delisted at this stage apart from maybe 1 or 2, and I really am loving it. 

Heritier Lumumba has shown in the last two weeks how pivotal he is for the next couple of years, his speed both offensively and defensively are pivotal to the back 6 and his ability to compete in the air for the most part has been pretty exceptional. 

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11 minutes ago, bingers said:

I agree that Lumumba is way better than Grimes and Garlo. Shame that the game has pretty much passed those fine foot soldiers by. (How's that for a corny line?)

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned. But i think the team had over 400 possessions against Richmond. That is Geelongesque from their successful period. Only sides with really good skills can get away with that. It is otherwise overusing the ball, which is why there were so many turnovers.

I'm really impressed with the young guys - Hunt & Wagner. The fact that the side is better, has some structure and a workable game plan makes it easier for young players to slot in. In the past it was almost impossible for young guys coming into a side that was poorly coached and was a complete rabble that expected to lose. 

An aside. I sat in the MCC members (I'm also a MFC member!!!) yesterday between some Tigers supporters. The guy on my right was really pleasant, and we had a nice chat before the game, and even during the first quarter. The guys on the other side were middle aged aggressive nasty loud unpleasant types. So unpleasant that I had to move at qtr time. I told them that I couldnt put up with their behaviour any longer. They were proud of their achievement, taunted me and high fived each other.

As the match unfolded, I guess I had the last laugh. (PS. I presume the only real pleasure these bogans got for the rest of the game was watching Rance coward punching Watts; right up their alley.)

Go Dees!!!

What the uncontested possession differential said to me was that we were working harder to get into space, getting lots of it by ourselves, but then wasting our opportunities with overuse and poor disposal. This is why we were 7-0 in centre clearances in the first quarter and were smashing them in uncontested and contested possessions, yet were only a couple of goals up.

As I think it was Vince who said post-game, we played 'okay'. The effort was there for the majority of the match, but we still had lapses in concentrate and threw away a number of good opportunities to score. Not to mention handing momentum to the opposition a number of times from silly, unneeded turn overs. In modern footy, momentum is such an important thing to have. You want to ride it for as long as you can.

Having said all that, I really enjoyed watching us play. It's so frustrating at times and in the heat of the moment I lose my temper, but when I step back from it all, I love that we're now prepared to take risks and when we do, 7/10 we're scoring and scoring well. With this, we now know that we have to suffer the consequences of a few goals going the other way, as we play this bold, attacking brand. And that's exactly the attitude Geelong had.

Our ball movement at times is certainly reminiscent of Geelong circa 2007-2011, but our brainfades across half back in particular, are positively un-Geelong. We need to eradicate these from our game either by getting better ball users back there or learning the best time to pull the trigger and which risk is ultimately the one worth taking to open the game up. I don't think we've found this balance yet, but it's early days.

And it sounds like you wouldn't be able to sit next to me. I'm loud, obnoxious and almost every week royally [censored] off and taunt opposition supporters. I too sit in the MCC (and yes, I am a paid up MFC member), so it's not just Richmond supporters.

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15 hours ago, old dee said:

I hope we can get up for a win!

we should win this , us by 33pts

[BarnDee 284]

watched game sun nite , wow  watched again tonight even better now my first grandson was born 2 weeks ago he was claimed as demon at 3 hours old lil jumpsuit etc was 8 .8 lbs  a big bubba and he has seen us not  lose yet , and his name  MAXWELL  woohoo

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12 minutes ago, BarnDee said:

watched game sun nite , wow  watched again tonight even better now my first grandson was born 2 weeks ago he was claimed as demon at 3 hours old lil jumpsuit etc was 8 .8 lbs  a big bubba and he has seen us not  lose yet , and his name  MAXWELL  woohoo

He'll be ready to go after a couple of weeks at Casey.

[Akum 2,660]

We've mentioned a few weeks ago the 'bromance' between Jesse H & Jack W & how they seem to combine so well.

There's a similar synergy happening between Jeffy & Kent which makes them both much more dangerous around goal.

It's great to see that having a settled forward line gives them a chance to really get to know each other's games.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Akum

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3 hours ago, mrtwister said:

How bizarre. I was just wondering how Jake would be going if he was part of the team the last few weeks. If he was getting a game, who's spot would he have?

Melksham would offer a few things that are really lacking for us atm.

He has good pace - which our midfield lacks, he has a bit of flair - our midfield is mostly blue-collar, he is a good kick - we are not a team of Andrew Gaff's.

I'd have him in for Jayden Hunt, similar player types, Melksham obviously the more proven.