JUDGEMENT DAY - THE "BOMBER" 34

[whatwhat say what 22,267]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

I have no emotions I can truly process other than to say I'm thrilled we have a player getting good money who can't even play for us next year because he has been found guilty of doping. 

I continue not to understand why we took him on. Hardly seems worth it. Hope I'm proven wrong in the long term (and to think we cleared out Cross from the list!)

he's not getting good money. he won't be paid in 2016.

[jnrmac 19,911]

Where's Hird? In France on another junket?

[Green Demon 822]

7 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

No it's not. It's a terrible day. Saying it's a great day is like saying dropping a bomb on Hiroshima was great because it brought WWII to its end.

But if CAS formed the view that the players (a) took a banned substance and (b) knowingly did so, then a terrible day is the day we had to have. We cannot allow drugs in any sport. EFC stand condemned for its cavalier attitude both with its lack of care for the rules and more importantly its lack of care for its players. 

 

I think we all agree that the important thing is that cheating is being punished. It is a great day because justice is being served.It is a terrible day, because it is confirmed that some people within the sport have been willing to cheat and risk the welfare of their players. They have tarnished the sport.

[mrtwister 652]

Feel sorry for the Aints to be honest.

They jumped through flaming hoops for this mob to give them a guy that now can't even lace up the boots this year.

[monoccular 17,341]

36 minutes ago, Scythe said:

All I hope for now is that snivelling, [censored]-poor excuse for a man Stephen Dank gets what's coming to him.

Add Hird to that list  

32 minutes ago, djr said:

I assume Goodwin is free to coach this year.

 

29 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

they said on SEN that this doesn't affect Goodwin.

Said on SEN so must be true?    

23 minutes ago, Choke said:

Can you post some samples? 

 

Would love to know what lance is saying right now. 

Sorry, no samples or records were kept  

5 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Re Goodwin, this from ASADA:

"The CAS result brings this matter to a close."

I haven't had time to read the whole report - does Hird, Read and the board get off Scot free?    What a terrible injustice that would be.  

[Ted Lasso 18,853]

1 minute ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

"They were also found not guilty originally don't forget. That optimism wasn't completely baseless.

Something massive has to have swayed the decision so much."

Quote from bomber forum in Big Footy.

They still just don't understand.

 

the absence of AFL influence perhaps?

the correct level of proof also?

and WADA being a far more professional outfit

 

[Cards13 9,117]

4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I have no emotions I can truly process other than to say I'm thrilled we have a player getting good money who can't even play for us next year because he has been found guilty of doping. 

I continue not to understand why we took him on. Hardly seems worth it. Hope I'm proven wrong in the long term (and to think we cleared out Cross from the list!)

Someone quoted Ch 7 as saying the players are not paid for the season.

[jnrmac 19,911]

13 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

 

 

ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt said: “This unfortunate episode has chronicled the most devastating self-inflicted injury by a sporting club in Australian history.”

 

“At best, the players did not ask the questions, or the people, they should have. At worst, they were complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment.”

 

 

 

 

have said this from day 1....

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Interesting stuff in the CAS report.

They (CAS) found that the programme was concealed from Doc Reid and that it can't be assumed that Reid was aware that TB4 injections were going on.

That the players knew that their "supplements regime" was "controversial" at the very least.

That the players took steps to conceal or deflect regarding the programme.

One player who suffered cardiac arrhythmia was referred (by Reid) to a specialist who asked the player what he was taking that might affect the medication he was about to prescribe. Players said only vitamins. Specialist contacted Reid who said no, nothing. (Because Reid had been kept out of the loop.) Serious bickies. Very concerning.

Dank kept records of the programme but he was "patchy" about it.

That the substance was pretty obviously TB4 and that it can't be taken seriously that it was anything else.

That TB-4 got to Essendon. And that maybe some went to other Dank projects but just because some went elsewhere, it can't be inferred that none went to Essendon, which is what the players wanted CAS to find.

That the "chain" from China to Essendon can't be proven, but that it doesn't really matter. It was obvious that TB4 was at Ess and it doesn't matter how it got there.

That the players did not take steps to find out if what they were given was prohibited. that they did pretty much SFA in that regard.

It's pretty damning, but the surprise is that it pretty much lets Doc Reid off the hook.

 

 

[Lucifers Hero 38,985]

Furthermore, CAS says players should pay 75% of costs (I assume that will be EFC) and the AFL 25% so CAS found a way to have the AFL implicated as well.  CAS just keeps on giving...

I will stop quoting from the CAS report suffice to say it is pretty clear they slammed shut every possible avenue for EFC, players, AFL AFLPA etc to create any sort of spin in the media.  It is all very, very bad.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,658]

1 minute ago, mrtwister said:

Feel sorry for the Aints to be honest.

They jumped through flaming hoops for this mob to give them a guy that now can't even lace up the boots this year.

Wonder whether Carlisle will serve his 'snapchat' penalty concurrently?

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Robbo is on SEN now. Sounds down in the dumps. Referred to the "brutality" of the responsibility for players to know what is going into them.

[Ted Lasso 18,853]

4 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

Interesting stuff in the CAS report.

They (CAS) found that the programme was concealed from Doc Reid and that it can't be assumed that Reid was aware that TB4 injections were going on.

That the players knew that their "supplements regime" was "controversial" at the very least.

That the players took steps to conceal or deflect regarding the programme.

One player who suffered cardiac arrhythmia was referred (by Reid) to a specialist who asked the player what he was taking that might affect the medication he was about to prescribe. Players said only vitamins. Specialist contacted Reid who said no, nothing. (Because Reid had been kept out of the loop.) Serious bickies. Very concerning.

Dank kept records of the programme but he was "patchy" about it.

That the substance was pretty obviously TB4 and that it can't be taken seriously that it was anything else.

That TB-4 got to Essendon. And that maybe some went to other Dank projects but just because some went elsewhere, it can't be inferred that none went to Essendon, which is what the players wanted CAS to find.

That the "chain" from China to Essendon can't be proven, but that it doesn't really matter. It was obvious that TB4 was at Ess and it doesn't matter how it got there.

That the players did not take steps to find out if what they were given was prohibited. that they did pretty much SFA in that regard.

It's pretty damning, but the surprise is that it pretty much lets Doc Reid off the hook.

 

 

wow

[jnrmac 19,911]

7 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Interesting stuff in the CAS report.

 

They (CAS) found that the programme was concealed from Doc Reid and that it can't be assumed that Reid was aware that TB4 injections were going on.

That the players knew that their "supplements regime" was "controversial" at the very least.

That the players took steps to conceal or deflect regarding the programme.

One player who suffered cardiac arrhythmia was referred (by Reid) to a specialist who asked the player what he was taking that might affect the medication he was about to prescribe. Players said only vitamins. Specialist contacted Reid who said no, nothing. (Because Reid had been kept out of the loop.) Serious bickies. Very concerning.

Dank kept records of the programme but he was "patchy" about it.

That the substance was pretty obviously TB4 and that it can't be taken seriously that it was anything else.

That TB-4 got to Essendon. And that maybe some went to other Dank projects but just because some went elsewhere, it can't be inferred that none went to Essendon, which is what the players wanted CAS to find.

That the "chain" from China to Essendon can't be proven, but that it doesn't really matter. It was obvious that TB4 was at Ess and it doesn't matter how it got there.

That the players did not take steps to find out if what they were given was prohibited. that they did pretty much SFA in that regard.

 

It's pretty damning, but the surprise is that it pretty much lets Doc Reid off the hook.

 

 

 

 

Wow. Its as bad as we thought it was. 

 

And for mine Reid was guilty of negligence or wilful oversight. Even gerard Healy said he had heard the Bombers were taking peptides. Reid must have had the Beats up on full volume "la la la I can't hear you..."

 

Edited January 11, 2016 by jnrmac

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

8 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

Quote from bomber forum in Big Footy.

They still just don't understand.

 

Some of them will never understand and will probably occupy a wildlife reserve in Oregon to protest at the overreach of ASADA, WADA, the AFL, the ALP, the LNP, the UN, etc.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,658]

Just now, jnrmac said:

 

 

Wow. Its as bad as we thought it was. 

No. It's much worse than I thought it was.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Robbo accetps that Jobe will have to hand back the Brownlow.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

It's a shame to lose Melksham for a year but I'm fairly certain the club would have known this was a possibility and would've planned for it.

I wonder if because of this we can upgrade Mitch White off the rookie list as a replacement? Would be a more than handy replacement and sounds like he is training really well.

The other side is that we should be able to pull a top-up player from the other comps which could be handy if we have our eye on a mature age recruit.

[jnrmac 19,911]

But its all OK in any case. Dank says he has the evidence that will get the players off.....

 

Stephen? Stephen? Where are you????

 

 

[3Dee 1,153]

Terrible result and really feel for the players, they're just kids who wanna play footy.

On the other hand, suck it holier than thou Essendon supporters you bunch of arrogant pricks.

[jnrmac 19,911]

And what of the sponsors that have stuck by the club? How can they continue to support the drug cheats?

 

[sue 9,030]

Having read through maybe only 5% of the full judgement and seen what a mountain of material I would have to digest before making any sensible comment (other than the final verdict) I am truly impressed how these blokes in the media are able to give such considered opinions so soon.  Truly impressive.  

[old dee 23,506]

Well I can honestly say  I have seldom been so happy to have been wrong.

I think the tram tickets were shredded last night thank God.

[markc 975]

10 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Interesting stuff in the CAS report.

 

They (CAS) found that the programme was concealed from Doc Reid and that it can't be assumed that Reid was aware that TB4 injections were going on.

That the players knew that their "supplements regime" was "controversial" at the very least.

That the players took steps to conceal or deflect regarding the programme.

One player who suffered cardiac arrhythmia was referred (by Reid) to a specialist who asked the player what he was taking that might affect the medication he was about to prescribe. Players said only vitamins. Specialist contacted Reid who said no, nothing. (Because Reid had been kept out of the loop.) Serious bickies. Very concerning.

Dank kept records of the programme but he was "patchy" about it.

That the substance was pretty obviously TB4 and that it can't be taken seriously that it was anything else.

That TB-4 got to Essendon. And that maybe some went to other Dank projects but just because some went elsewhere, it can't be inferred that none went to Essendon, which is what the players wanted CAS to find.

That the "chain" from China to Essendon can't be proven, but that it doesn't really matter. It was obvious that TB4 was at Ess and it doesn't matter how it got there.

That the players did not take steps to find out if what they were given was prohibited. that they did pretty much SFA in that regard.

 

It's pretty damning, but the surprise is that it pretty much lets Doc Reid off the hook.

 

 

wow 

 

 

[Wilbur 447]

Just now, jnrmac said:

And what of the sponsors that have stuck by the club? How can they continue to support the drug cheats?

 

Dont they say any publicity is  good  publicity  haha