Paul Roos - don't give us more excuses!

[McQueen 17,864]

I love Paul Roos.

Why?

[McQueen 17,864]

P Man

The ones who cannot get over the past are the ones who have to go. They fail time and time again.

This whole mental scarring thing is complete and utter bull_shyte. Teams evolve, players develop, coaches adapt and so on..

There is a limit to which a coach can blame past happenings on current performances and quite frankly Roosy is already past that.

[Nasher 33,106]

This whole mental scarring thing is complete and utter bull_shyte. Teams evolve, players develop, coaches adapt and so on..

There is a limit to which a coach can blame past happenings on current performances and quite frankly Roosy is already past that.

I don't know that he's blaming the past per se. It seems to me that he's just searching for the answer to why this group does such an impressive job of dropping its collective bundle. It's like a switch, we seem to go from good to awful in the blink of an eye.

I take Roos' comments about mental scarring to be just speculating about why this happens. I don't think he has the answer. He has another season and a half to figure it out.

[Pipefitter 2,020]

We still aren't playing like a Paul Roos coached team. Sydney ALWAYS cracked in and worked hard. Every week. We are still picking and choosing.

[nutbean 8,837]

Maybe they are not intellectually capable of doing it but the scarred minds scenario doesn't wash with me.

To me it is one in the same. Scarring is a real issue. Constantly being smashed will absolutely have a lasting affect on some. Are the players intellectually capable or strong enough to move past it ? Resilience to me is the main question.

I won't use scarring and it's outcomes as an excuse - I use it as a reality. And a further reality is simple. If you keep going into your shell at the first sign of danger, allow your intensity and effort to disappear when the tide turns for the worse and retreat into selfish football when put under pressure then all good. You need to be playing footy elsewhere.

Mental toughness, fighting on against adversity to me is equally as important as being high skilled. Many of our players who have been onboard before Roos lack mental toughness and resilience.

To me Roos job on these players is to decide who can and who can't display mental toughness on an ongoing basis and remove those who can't.

[hemingway 7,597]

Mental toughness? Or lack of it? Maybe. Nutbean's comments about mental scarring is more the issue. Having played most of my junior football and limited senior footy in losing teams, my memory of those days was that when you lost week in week out, sometimes by large margins, players simply lost confidence in themselves and their team mates.That loss of confidence adversely affected ball winning ability, disposal, tackling and intensity. YOnly winning rectified that problem at least for a week or so. It impacted the way you thought about the game, it impacted your attitude to training and your enjoyment of training and playing.

[dpositive 1,551]

Mental toughness? Or lack of it? Maybe. Nutbean's comments about mental scarring is more the issue. Having played most of my junior football and limited senior footy in losing teams, my memory of those days was that when you lost week in week out, sometimes by large margins, players simply lost confidence in themselves and their team mates.That loss of confidence adversely affected ball winning ability, disposal, tackling and intensity. YOnly winning rectified that problem at least for a week or so. It impacted the way you thought about the game, it impacted your attitude to training and your enjoyment of training and playing.

I agree with this although think it is a small part of the total problem.

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Neuro linguistic language training will also help build resilience, and maybe thats what Roosy is concentrating on

Perhaps the same technique with a more brutal approach is needed

I still maintain that intensity at training must be lifted to improve the instinctive action.

[McQueen 17,864]

I don't know that he's blaming the past per se. It seems to me that he's just searching for the answer to why this group does such an impressive job of dropping its collective bundle. It's like a switch, we seem to go from good to awful in the blink of an eye.

I take Roos' comments about mental scarring to be just speculating about why this happens. I don't think he has the answer. He has another season and a half to figure it out.

That's fine in theory but if people are prepared to accept his speculating as close to the truth then when does it become a scar of its own?

I get the massive void between our performances is hard to fathom but I can't see how it is in anyway related to previous hidings. Roosy should look at a few of his own coaching performeances if he's going to keep up that type of excuse.

[jnrmac 19,077]

To me it is one in the same. Scarring is a real issue. Constantly being smashed will absolutely have a lasting affect on some. Are the players intellectually capable or strong enough to move past it ? Resilience to me is the main question.

I won't use scarring and it's outcomes as an excuse - I use it as a reality. And a further reality is simple. If you keep going into your shell at the first sign of danger, allow your intensity and effort to disappear when the tide turns for the worse and retreat into selfish football when put under pressure then all good. You need to be playing footy elsewhere.

Mental toughness, fighting on against adversity to me is equally as important as being high skilled. Many of our players who have been onboard before Roos lack mental toughness and resilience.

To me Roos job on these players is to decide who can and who can't display mental toughness on an ongoing basis and remove those who can't.

GWS don't seem to have that problem. They are young. Their leaders are clearly better than ours - Ward, Mumford, Davis and even Shaw...

[hemingway 7,597]

I agree with this although think it is a small part of the total problem.

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Neuro linguistic language training will also help build resilience, and maybe thats what Roosy is concentrating on

Perhaps the same technique with a more brutal approach is needed

I still maintain that intensity at training must be lifted to improve the instinctive action.

Reference to neuro linguistic training. Now that's something to think about dpositive. As for a more brutal approach, I don't think it works. Only if you have a champion team. The great Melbourne teams of the 50s and early 60s were a case in point. Norm Smith could lift the team by a half time or three quarter time roast, but have a look at the team. They were truly a team of champions and they revered the coach. Individually and collectively that had the capacity to lift. With skills and confidence they developed attitude and the knowledge that with a little effort they could win any game whatever the score line. Sometimes, it was just the individual efforts of a few champions like Barassi, Dixon, Tunbridge, Adams etc that won the game. Often they hardly got out of second gear but still had the capacity to win matches. This is the case with the best teams today. Unfortunately, we don't have the champions to inspire and lift the team when we need it. Let's hope we are developing the players who will become champions over the next few years.

[old dee 22,930]

Reference to neuro linguistic training. Now that's something to think about dpositive. As for a more brutal approach, I don't think it works. Only if you have a champion team. The great Melbourne teams of the 50s and early 60s were a case in point. Norm Smith could lift the team by a half time or three quarter time roast, but have a look at the team. They were truly a team of champions and they revered the coach. Individually and collectively that had the capacity to lift. With skills and confidence they developed attitude and the knowledge that with a little effort they could win any game whatever the score line. Sometimes, it was just the individual efforts of a few champions like Barassi, Dixon, Tunbridge, Adams etc that won the game. Often they hardly got out of second gear but still had the capacity to win matches. This is the case with the best teams today. Unfortunately, we don't have the champions to inspire and lift the team when we need it. Let's hope we are developing the players who will become champions over the next few years.

I hope you are correct with that last line Ernest

[praha 10,293]

Couple of quotes from Roos from today's press conference:

" Clearly against the four best teams (when we're down on form) it's a problem."

"My hope at this stage is that there'll be a lot more consistency - we've improved a lot at the top end."

"It's just in those moments of pressure when players don't have trust in their coaches and teammates that we lose that consistency."

"That "us vs them" mentality of giving players a spray is 30 years old now."

"Every game's important, every game's an important experience... good teams play well every week - it's an opportunity to get better."

"It gets back to us as a team playing good team footy... we've got to play well as a team to give our forwards the best chance."

"The best way (to stop teams getting a run-on) is to score yourself and get the ball around the stoppages."

"We were disappointed with our performance last week and clearly we're going to need to respond to that."

"Most players are playing for their careers through the course of the season - it's not something that needs to be dramatised."

[Nasher 33,106]

Thanks for that, praha. Particularly liked his comments on giving the players a spray and the last one about not needing to dramatise the fact that players are playing for their careers. These are things that get suggested on here with tedious monotony, maybe a few posters could take these quotes as an opportunity to learn something.

[rpfc 27,531]

Been through a similar transition with my team up here in Canberra. Going from a group that was winless and losing formulaically to one that now hands out some big defeats, it was a struggle; I remember games when you would put together a terrific period of play and then some players seize up and it's almost like they felt that they have never been in this position before so they didn't want to do anything to screw it up. And when you don't want to take risks, you give yourself up to inertia. And when enough have that mindset - the team will worry more about their direct opponent than getting the ball or helping out or spreading.

That is how I read Roos' comments.

[rpfc 27,531]

Couple of quotes from Roos from today's press conference:

"It's just in those moments of pressure when players don't have trust in their coaches and teammates that we lose that consistency."

I talk about this a bit - it has a huge part in what happens when bad teams are evolving into good teams. They don't trust something they haven't seen. It's why Brayshaw will push and spread and back himself and his mate to get him the ball - he hasn't been around for the last few years for that to constantly blow up in his face...

[beelzebub 22,225]

"That "us vs them" mentality of giving players a spray is 30 years old now."

he does have his retro moments though !!

[stuie 7,374]

http://www.sen.com.au/news/06-15/david-king-why-is-roos-still-taking-about-past

[DeeZee 6,769]

King is right about constantly bringing up the past, but we haven't been terrible in all games this year, it's just that he prefers to focus on the negatives.

Any fool can see see we are a better side this year than last , just have to do it more consistently.

I'm not huge on Nate Jones comparing our young stars to Jonno Brown and Selwood either, you wouldn't see a Hodge say something like that.

Come on fellas, let's create our own identity ...our own history , shall we?

[McQueen 17,864]

http://www.sen.com.au/news/06-15/david-king-why-is-roos-still-taking-about-past

As much as some dislike King he is a pretty accurate judge of the game and all of the variables that go into it, including coaches. He called Neeld out very early and was bang-on in that regard.

He's also right with Roos who to his credit, put a different perspective on things in today's presser as opposed to the norm.

The sooner Roos ceases speaking about the past, the better off the playing group will be and with that a vast majority of supporters.

It is indeed a cop-out.

[dazzledavey36 48,901]

As much as some dislike King he is a pretty accurate judge of the game and all of the variables that go into it, including coaches. He called Neeld out very early and was bang-on in that regard.

He's also right with Roos who to his credit, put a different perspective on things in today's presser as opposed to the norm.

The sooner Roos ceases speaking about the past, the better off the playing group will be and with that a vast majority of supporters.

It is indeed a cop-out.

Glad someone agrees with me about being a cop out. At some stage he needs to put his hand up and cop his fair wack on the chin. Him bringing up the past in every big loss is getting beyond embarassment now.

[leucopogon 1,468]

King is right about constantly bringing up the past, but we haven't been terrible in all games this year, it's just that he prefers to focus on the negatives.

Any fool can see see we are a better side this year than last , just have to do it more consistently.

I'm not huge on Nate Jones comparing our young stars to Jonno Brown and Selwood either, you wouldn't see a Hodge say something like that.

Come on fellas, let's create our own identity ...our own history , shall we?

I'm not so sure about this point DZ. In my view, you're only as good as you are when you're at your worst and our worst is probably as bad as its ever been really. The fact that we can play competitively for half a quarter every now and again but then totally lose control of a game says to me that we're still just an awful footy side.

Alas, we all wait for the next game and hope to see some sign of improvement.

[rjay 23,927]

As much as some dislike King he is a pretty accurate judge of the game and all of the variables that go into it, including coaches. He called Neeld out very early and was bang-on in that regard.

He's also right with Roos who to his credit, put a different perspective on things in today's presser as opposed to the norm.

The sooner Roos ceases speaking about the past, the better off the playing group will be and with that a vast majority of supporters.

It is indeed a cop-out.

Yep, he was also bang on about St Kilda not winning a game this year. You get some right, you get some wrong.

We all know he was right in his call that we must see some improvement when this season is done and dusted.

The stats he was reeling off today though are a bit misleading given the quality of teams we have played so far.

[leucopogon 1,468]

I just watched the 360 from this week. That was really quite an embarrassment seeing Roosy field the tough questions. Clearly he's not letting on what the real issue is because the truth would probably be devastating for many supporters.....our experienced players are not up to it. The clean out that's coming at the end of this season will be breathtaking.

Edited June 4, 2015 by leucopogon

[bing181 8,172]

Glad someone agrees with me about being a cop out. At some stage he needs to put his hand up and cop his fair wack on the chin. Him bringing up the past in every big loss is getting beyond embarassment now.

Been discussed here. Go back and look at what Roos is actually saying.

[Gorgoroth 12,331]

Talking about the players being scared, wtf about us, the supporter carries more baggage than the players.

Every time a team kicks a goal against us I wait for the next nine.

It is a fact you can be scared by the past but FFS these "players" need to clench up and make a stand, it's easy to be weak. If they can't stand up and change, get rid of them, no matter who it is.

I don't want Brayshaw, Hogan etc being influenced by weak minded people.