Paul Roos - don't give us more excuses!

[olisik 4,060]

Personally I beleive Roos is not a good game day coach.

He knows how to develop train and nurture players but come day strategically we have seen him out coached on numerous occasions with minimal strategic changes on his end.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I love Paul Roos.

[PaulRB 5,969]

Our capitulation on the weekend says nothing about game day coaching, more about weak leadership on the field, that goes to water when the heat is turned up.

Edited June 1, 2015 by PaulRB

[olisik 4,060]

Our capitulation on the weekend says nothing about game day coaching, more about weak leadership on the field, that goes to water when the heat is turned up.

Is that why Paul Roos allowed Ebert to run around loose in defence and gather 33 possessions rebounding it straight back into Ports 50 all day?

Because it sounds to me more like a bad coaching decision then leadership which allowed Ebert that freedom

[Soidee 1,496]

Roosy on 360 tonight...totally frustrated! Stopped short of naming culprits who sook up and cannot adapt to his new style. It looks like he will slash and burn again at seasons end. I will be controversial here and declare our leadership group are part of the problem.

Too many on our list who cannot improve themselves although they are been led by an A grade coaching panel.

[PaulRB 5,969]

Is that why Paul Roos allowed Ebert to run around loose in defence and gather 33 possessions rebounding it straight back into Ports 50 all day?

Because it sounds to me more like a bad coaching decision then leadership which allowed Ebert that freedom

Thats right, Roos got the runner out and told the player playing on Ebert, to let him loose for a while...

[Yossarian 1,808]

There's no one who could do a better job than Paul Roos rebuilding this mess. Gotta back him in all the way.

[olisik 4,060]

Thats right, Roos got the runner out and told the player playing on Ebert, to let him loose for a while...

He had no player on Ebert....

[PaulRB 5,969]

He had no player on Ebert....

... quod erat demonstrandum.

[M C 221]

He had no player on Ebert....

Lumumba seemed to be playing on him early

Who knows what happened after that

I know Lumumba didn't get a touch in the last qtr

[jackaub 1,402]

So now the leaders form outside the club are the problem?

Roos really hasnt been held accountable yet.

Only Melbourne players could F&*k over the best credentialed highest paid coach in the league

Edited June 1, 2015 by jackaub

[timD 994]

Its a ridiculous cop out from saving his own ass from his performance! Its getting beyound the joke now and he needs to wake up and take his fair share of responsibility from these losses.

Grow up Roosy!

Just want to know when you are going to follow your own advice on this thread and, ehm, "eat a bag"?

[Gorgoroth 12,331]

He was quite angry last night.

I'd love to hear what he is saying to them.

[Dr. Mubutu 694]

Finally, the tough love:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-01/paul-roos-flags-delistings-at-melbourne-after-port-disappointment

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

As Roosy said on 360, some of the players are still mentally fragile due to events of the past. i tend to agree with him on that score. You can't change such a culture that has been ingrained within many in this group. I reckon he knows that Monday is going to be a big one for the club and he will be putting a lot into getting the players mentally right for this one ............. I hope so!!!!!

Edited June 1, 2015 by iv'a worn smith

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

AFTER another disappointing fadeout, Melbourne coach Paul Roos has flagged further delistings for underperforming Demons at season's end.

Against Port Adelaide in Alice Springs, Melbourne looked set to end a four-season wait for back-to-back wins after kicking six of the first eight goals.

Then it fell apart.

The Power slammed on 16 of the next 18 goals to claim an easy victory.

Still rankled by the performance two days later, Roos told Fox Footy on Monday night he was using the most brutal of motivational techniques to try to lift his players' efforts.

Perform - or find somewhere else to play.

"What you try to convey to players is 'if you continue to improve and continue to get better, then we get better as a team, you stay on the list'," he said.

"If you don't, it's pretty simple. Football's pretty ruthless."

After years in the AFL's bottom half, Roos said he believed there are some players that cannot shake the mental demons of their past.

"I don't think the team is mentally weak," he said.

"But clearly there are players that aren't able to get over the past.

"I don't like to talk about it ... but it's obvious."

The most frustrating thing to Roos is the gulf between Melbourne's highs and lows.

"You see what this team is capable of and that's six goals to two in the first 45 minutes," he said.

"We know what's wrong.

"We're yet to convince the player group of some of the things we know that work."

At least up front there is hope, with forward Jesse Hogan handed the AFL's rising star nomination for round nine despite their Northern Territory nightmare.

The 20-year-old forward kicked two goals, took eight marks and had 16 touches on Saturday and has yet to go a match goalless in his young career.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-01/paul-roos-flags-delistings-at-melbourne-after-port-disappointment

Edited June 1, 2015 by The Song Formerly Known As

[poita 3,623]

As Roosy said on 360, some of the players are still mentally fragile due to events of the past. i tend to agree with him on that score. You can't change such a culture that has been ingrained within many in this group.

What a load of tripe. We could have got any first year coach in to produce a 7 win - 24 loss record for a third of Roos' salary.

We have been paying Roos mega bucks to come in and fix this sort of stuff, not throw his hands in the air and says it's all too hard.

We have a significantly stronger list than two years ago, but I'm yet to see the fundamental improvements in attitude and performance of the entire group that we were promised.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

What a load of tripe. We could have got any first year coach in to produce a 7 win - 24 loss record for a third of Roos' salary.

We have been paying Roos mega bucks to come in and fix this sort of stuff, not throw his hands in the air and says it's all too hard.

We have a significantly stronger list than two years ago, but I'm yet to see the fundamental improvements in attitude and performance of the entire group that we were promised.

Sorry, I wasn't aware you knew more than PR. Apologies for my impertinence.

Edited June 1, 2015 by iv'a worn smith

[praha 10,283]

We still have a massive gap between our youngest and most experienced.

Hogan

Salem

Watts

Toumpas

Viney

Trengove

Brayshaw

Tyson

Stretch

Kent

Frost

Newton

JKH

McDonald

Pettracca

Jetta

Spencer

They are all under 25 and have all played under 100 games, yet all them bar Newton and Stretch are walk-ups and would all be in the 22 if they were fit. That's 17 of 22 players on game day.

The problem is that the experience group, the ones that should be leading us to "turn the corner", continually fail when we come up against better opposition.

Dunn

Lumumba

Vince

N Jones

As soon as they are taken out of the game, we completely break down. You can't expect Brayshaw to win us games of football, or Garlett or Hogan to kick 10.

Yeah we've turned over 50% of the list but the main culprits of our biggest downturns are still hanging on. Trying hard, going through the motions and getting B&F votes don't matter anymore. We need more from blokes with 100+ games of experience. Roos doesn't need to tell Jones or Vince how to play football. Why is Jones getting smashed by kids with 40 games experience? Why is Vince? It's not a coaching issue.

The same problems exist and have since Geelong 186 and it's very clear now that this isn't a coaching issue. It just can't be.

I seriously think that what we saw on the weekend at at times this year will remain so long as we have players from the Daniher and Bailey years still on the list. That is a very harsh reality that some here need to realise.

I'm downgrading my expectations for the year now. I had 8-10 wins in mind but we'll struggle to win 6, which would still be a pass, but not ideal.

The Saints have a gun midfield with some true young talent in there that rips up the opposition. Can we beat them? Can we beat Brisbane? Carlton might be the only sure bet.

Edited June 1, 2015 by praha

[Fat Tony 4,436]

I watched the interview last night and I am sick of Roos pointing to the past as the reason for our losses. The list has turned over significantly in the last three years and I don’t think it helps the club going forward. (It paints the club as incurable, which it isn’t if we draft and trade well.) The answer to the question “Are your players mentally weak?” should have been: “You don’t get into the AFL system by being mentally weak, but we are certainly not as mentally strong as the better sides in the competition. Our key problem at the moment is that we lack the depth of talent through the midfield to sustain the pressure I demand from the team for the full 120 minutes.”

[beelzebub 22,225]

LOL I downgraded my expectations a month back.. ....top of the bottom 4 is about it I reckon...

Also downgraded interest in season.....just hovering above zero....with no real firm commitment to care much any more.

As an aside I actually thought the last presser by Roos was the first where Roos-speak took a bit of a back seat and he all but spoke plainly and as to what is wrong. One element was a very simple one. .Some players are more concerned about "filling in" or backing up others but in a fashion whereby they stop doing their own role and therefore divert from the game plan. Thats a vexed position for many a player in a game I would have thought. Kinda damned if you don't and damned more if you do.

Beats me why he persists with some players. There'll be reasons but they escape me. EOS going to be interesting....and again the only thing that now interests me for the rest of the year.

As OD suggest, more things change, the more it stays the same

[Demonsone 1,605]

Roosy on 360 tonight...totally frustrated! Stopped short of naming culprits who sook up and cannot adapt to his new style. It looks like he will slash and burn again at seasons end. I will be controversial here and declare our leadership group are part of the problem.

Too many on our list who cannot improve themselves although they are been led by an A grade coaching panel.

Spot on.... I heard him on 360 .. I dare say there will be more changes year end.. We basically lack talent from a mental capacity to play @ the level of intensity required ....

[pitmaster 3,064]

Can we beat St Kilda? Too right (which is not the same as saying we will).

But face it folks, the Saints have played no-one yet. We have played four of last years' top five while they have played one finalist, Essendon.

So the Saints have three wins, two of which are over Gold Coast and the Dogs (sound familiar?)

The truth is that our early rounds have been sandbagged with fixturing. The Saints and the Dogs before them were feeling pretty cocky playing in the shallow end while we were tossed in the old aqua profunda.

The bonus for those two is a big confidence boost. Our confidence has to be rebuilt again.

But it's too early to be indulging in Roos bashing. Let's see how we go in the second half of the year - two games against the Saints, the Blues, the Lions, Essendon (our latter day [censored]) , the Dogs again, all of which includes some hit outs at Etihad, as well as a trip to State Government Oval (sorry, Geelong) where you pay through the nose for a seat, and two games against the Pies who I think are a realistic benchmark for us. I desperately want to be at least competitive if not victorious in one of those - that will speak for improvement.

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

Roosy on 360 tonight...totally frustrated! Stopped short of naming culprits who sook up and cannot adapt to his new style. It looks like he will slash and burn again at seasons end. I will be controversial here and declare our leadership group are part of the problem.

Too many on our list who cannot improve themselves although they are been led by an A grade coaching panel.

Well I hope he makes a statement and drops some of these soft cox for our biggest match of the year.

For christs sake, Jack Watts epitomises everything that was wrong with this club and had to drop himself a few weeks back.

Howe hasn't had a kick against the good sides all year and looks disinterested, yet he gets a game every week while Roos shuffles the deck chairs with the Newton's and Michie's of the world.

[13thFlagIsComing 522]

"When I was at the Swans"......"contested ball"...."two way running"...."Kirky"...."Goodesy."now I can't speak for"..."don't get me wrong"...

you can put any of these phrases into any sentence and it sounds like it came from PR mouth. example

"When I was at the Swans, one week we changed things up a bit and the players did an Italian cooking class. Don't get me wrong it was a little different especially when Kirky and Goodesy were making meatballs. It got a bit competitive about who would make the best meatball and that showed me that even in Italian cooking classes its all about contested ball. Now don't get me wrong I can't cook a good meatball and the chef we got in did a fantastic job but I can't speak for him but it just showed that sometimes two way running can mean going between the fridge and the olive oil."